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and alan smith is still at the club I'm sure Keegan knows that in an ideal worldBarton, Smith and Ameobi should leave. But the principle of this decision being taking out of his hands, without suitable replacements in, is wrong, no matter which way you look at it. Precisely, I think this madras fella is just up for a bit of an argument and likes the role of Devils Advocaat. THIS this i am playing devils advocate a bit as a lot of people are casting aspersions without any actual evidence so the other side of the coin should be represented. I understand where you're coming from, but what are your honest feelings about this. Do you believe the setup is working?as regards player recruitment...yes Do you believe KK has or has not been undermimed?absolutly no idea Do you believe that it was really KK's decision to sell Milner?bloody well hope so Do you believe that it is healthy for KK to be just handed players he had no part in choosing (there is evidence of this in the post match interview of the Man Utd game when KK said "When I heard we'd got this guy called Spiderman, I looked him up")?i'm fine by it if the players are of that standard

not a snowball in hells chance have I ?

and alan smith is still at the club I'm sure Keegan knows that in an ideal worldBarton, Smith and Ameobi should leave. But the principle of this decision being taking out of his hands, without suitable replacements in, is wrong, no matter which way you look at it. Precisely, I think this madras fella is just up for a bit of an argument and likes the role of Devils Advocaat. THIS this i am playing devils advocate a bit as a lot of people are casting aspersions without any actual evidence so the other side of the coin should be represented.

If Ashley caves in to Keegan we could end up with Robbie Fowler type signings (Thierry Henry?) rather than steals like Jonas. I'd be wary of that scenario if I was Ashley. Didnt Keegan sign the likes of Ginola, Beardsley, Cole, Shearer, Asprilla, Ferdinand? Good enough for me Keegan buys names. He's capable of making very good signings but he wouldn't have a clue how to go about making Wenger type signings. Hence daft decisions like Fowler and given half a chance, Thierry Henry, players who command premium prices when they are going downhill. Can you sustain a football club like that? I wouldn't say people like Beresford, Lee, Albert, Venison, Bracewell, Allen, Cole et al were 'names', they were players either classed as past it or who hadn't even been picked up by the big clubs... It's such a myth to say Keegan just bought players who were already big names... ask citeh fans about his more recent purchases.

and alan smith is still at the club Thankyou for a wonderful insight. my pleasure

and if he's going to walk out over milner,smith and barton you have to question him. owen? Milner? It's not the players in question that are the problem. It's the fact that it is being taken out of his hands. Whichever way you look at it, it's very difficult to find fault with KK in this. it's quite easy actually if you look at differing scenarios. truth is though we can't fault anyone as we don't know what went on/is going on. (milner was keegans choice fremember or has he been lying to us....again?) Maybe I'm too loyal to KK, but in my opinion it would be a DISASTER if he were to leave. He is 100% the man for Newcastle. If Ashley sacks him, there's no way back for Ashley. If Keegan walks, you have to question what led to him walking, and there are very few conclusions to come to other than other than lack of signings, new setup issues, selling players, undermimed in key decisions. Ashley needs to know how much KK is worth to this club, and do what he can to sort the situation. othe possibilities include he made unrealistic demands by way of players coming in,is becoming paranoid about some parts of the set up,feels he can't hack it anymore. all possibilities as we just don't know. According to the LMA fellow, Keegan said to him that he is worried about certain issues, which need sorting. I doubt he can't hack it anymore, and I doubt he's making unrealistic demands. Here is the link to the LMA interview: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7593683.stm certain issues is a pretty wide ranging statement. why do youdoubt he is making unrealistic demands ?

and alan smith is still at the club

and if he's going to walk out over milner,smith and barton you have to question him. owen? Milner? It's not the players in question that are the problem. It's the fact that it is being taken out of his hands. Whichever way you look at it, it's very difficult to find fault with KK in this. it's quite easy actually if you look at differing scenarios. truth is though we can't fault anyone as we don't know what went on/is going on. (milner was keegans choice fremember or has he been lying to us....again?) Maybe I'm too loyal to KK, but in my opinion it would be a DISASTER if he were to leave. He is 100% the man for Newcastle. If Ashley sacks him, there's no way back for Ashley. If Keegan walks, you have to question what led to him walking, and there are very few conclusions to come to other than other than lack of signings, new setup issues, selling players, undermimed in key decisions. Ashley needs to know how much KK is worth to this club, and do what he can to sort the situation. othe possibilities include he made unrealistic demands by way of players coming in,is becoming paranoid about some parts of the set up,feels he can't hack it anymore. all possibilities as we just don't know.

If Ashley caves in to Keegan we could end up with Robbie Fowler type signings (Thierry Henry?) rather than steals like Jonas. I'd be wary of that scenario if I was Ashley. I agree, Keep the scouts as they are and Wise as youth recruiter that bit seems to be working well Keegans obviously said to Llambias get me these in on Monday and the tit hasn't done it. Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing bit contradictory don't you think ? you say if keegan gets his way we'd end up with fowler type signings then you want the MD to do what keegan wants. Eh? when did I say that? you agreed with the previous about "if ashley caves we could end up fowler type signings instead of jonas's"

and if he's going to walk out over milner,smith and barton you have to question him. owen? Milner? It's not the players in question that are the problem. It's the fact that it is being taken out of his hands. Whichever way you look at it, it's very difficult to find fault with KK in this. it's quite easy actually if you look at differing scenarios. truth is though we can't fault anyone as we don't know what went on/is going on. (milner was keegans choice fremember or has he been lying to us....again?)

If Ashley caves in to Keegan we could end up with Robbie Fowler type signings (Thierry Henry?) rather than steals like Jonas. I'd be wary of that scenario if I was Ashley. I agree, Keep the scouts as they are and Wise as youth recruiter that bit seems to be working well Keegans obviously said to Llambias get me these in on Monday and the tit hasn't done it. Get a MD Keegan can trust and we're laughing bit contradictory don't you think ? you say if keegan gets his way we'd end up with fowler type signings then you want the MD to do what keegan wants.

and if he's going to walk out over milner,smith and barton you have to question him.

Does it look good on paper , not sure about that. This set up is a f-king joke, how on earth can kk build a team, when someone else is choosing the players at the club, Its recipe for RELEGATION. When KK made the decisions on Transfers, he took from bottom of the second div, to top of the div, then third in the prem at first try, the Football was brill, the times were good, This is why KK is so popular..... If youy werent around to see it home and away like i was, then you wont truely understand. But on paper, Keegan is meant to have the final say on everything. That's the problem here surely.... that he isn't having the final say. and if he hasn't been having the final say he's been lying to us.

You don't need to lecture me on the history, I was there as well I lived through that and remember it well. If Keegan is doing that then he's playing brinkmanship with the future of the club and on this occasion he's got it wrong, from what I can see anyway. I'm going to bed now but I'll give a proper response sometime tomorrow. A couple of things before that though; Ashley is not the Chairman, he's the owner and paying off £250m of debt isn't doing nothing. Also, why would he bring Keegan in and immediately start to undermine him? It's much more likely that Keegan was told what the situation was going to be like and has just discovered he can't actually handle it in real life. As I said, I'm annoyed at Keegan for letting this get out of hand. I think that it's pretty undeniable that that's what's happened, when that became obvious he should have made a statement to calm things down, why still no statement from him? Also, if all that stuff that you've said is true, then I'm guessing you're not a club insider so you must have got it from the papers, how did it get there? Do you think it'd have come from the Ashley "side"? No, me neither. So Keegan or someone acting on his behalf has been leaking things to the papers, stuff that has damaged the club and lead us to the situation we find ourself in today, otherwise known as "the s***". Is that the right way to go about things? I don't think it is, and that's why I'm pissed at KK. Whatever the situation Keegan is not blameless in all this and for the blind amongst us I can reliably inform you that the sun does not in actual fact shine from between his arse cheeks. thats a fantastic post. you should reproduce it elsewhere. if not could i post it saying i found it on another forum ?

we've been in this position and gave the press the interviews etc and we still end up in the same position. starve the bastards of their oxygen says me, it'll take soeme getting used to but will be wirth it in the end

surely if any of that was true keegan has got the timing very wrong? Depends on what you think Mort said to him. more to the point what was said to him in the few weeks after mort left. Nothing, the structure was already in place, the lines of reporting were already established. i'm not so sure "the lines of reporting" have ever been properly established and that is the problem

Today would be even better you're kidding. with the mail on our tail if keegan doesn't tail it tomorrow this could run for years

he couldv'e at least paid the debt off

based on ? Todays events. what in todays events make you think jiminez and vetere are launching a bid for power (jiminez maybe but vetere?) Thats not what i said. I've looked at the transfers that came in and the reaction of the manager and seen who was in control. thats the surprise. no-one expected us to really splash chelsea ammounts yet most think we've had a decent window. if keegan was miffed cos he didn't get heskey and wanted to mark aline in the sand about smith,barton and milner then maybe its for the better ?

what the hell are you on about, this battle is going to define the club for years probably and you want them just to cosy up for the sake of keeping some fans happy. as for being pissed off with all, I agree including yourself for this sort of dirge. You b******, I hate you. wetting myself here

based on ? Todays events. what in todays events make you think jiminez and vetere are launching a bid for power (jiminez maybe but vetere?)

surely if any of that was true keegan has got the timing very wrong? Depends on what you think Mort said to him. more to the point what was said to him in the few weeks after mort left.

what the hell are you on about, this battle is going to define the club for years probably and you want them just to cosy up for the sake of keeping some fans happy. as for being pissed off with all, I agree including yourself for this sort of dirge.

based on ?

surely if any of that was true keegan has got the timing very wrong?