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No, RM, I'm far too much of a coward. I went to aways all over the country in the scary days of the 80s, but now as then, at the site of real violence in close proximity, my legs still go to jelly and I feel a bit sick. I'll be standing the other side of the ground and calling them all sorts, mind. Random question but I was just wondering... who do you dislike most passionately, West Brom or Birmingham? brum........like scousers...we'll be you friend s till we have you outnumbered

do they ? might be worth signing up to few and taking advantage.

signed up tp betfair last week. didn't realise they had a good bit live sport available to watch. watched dortmund - bayern munich tonight (at the same time was fiorentina-palermo, genk-dender,roma-livorno) juve-parma the other day and some portuguese games....all legit.

there was a very close version of that about us a few years back

You could make something up, the only problem would be no matter how stupid you tried to be, it would never be stupid enough to reach the depths that they sink to naturally. bit harsh. it's understandable why they make a thing about "2-1". they've very little else to hit back with. shouting "cummins" would go over the heads of quite a few and also have them possibly on the sex offenders register.

Oh my you cant even spot a tongue in cheek remark. It is not Man Utd fault if the Arsenal board dont trust Wegner to splash out big on a player or Wegner has doubts about signing big after the limted success of big buys like Jeffers, Reyes & Wiltord. Arsene Wegner has not made Arsenal a big club or made them punch above there weight as they have always been a big club, there history tells you this. As Man Utd/Sir Alex are the most successful club in the Premier League history I guess what they do is the best way towards sustainable success. indeed. Their current attacking strength has cost them around 80m quid ie Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Saha not to mention Carrick, Hargreaves, Nani and Anderson to back them up. Must be over 100m and just to show even the best managers drop a huge clanger, Veron. Still, I'm sure that Chris Mort has a better way. Also add the best team we have seen at Newcastle in living memory, which almost won the title, and almost the entire team was bought some of them big buys, the biggest of the time. And topped off with the worlds most expensive player, which nobody turned their nose up at and would undoubtedly gone on to do the trick had it not been for the manager leaving the club. You can't get much more proof than this, its just amazing the people in this thread who have defended the prudent method. Lets put it this way, it ONLY works if you have a one off able to make it work like Wenger. Lets wait & see in the summer. Hopefully you are right, but isn't that what has been happening ? People are pleased that there seems to be a common sense approach to running the club now (you can take that how you like by the way). Lets wait and see what happens in the summer, instead of writing them off as not knowing what they are doing before they've had the chance to prove you wrong. This is a massive summer for us (again) & I reckon they'll get it right. common sense ? I know what you are driving at, but I call it unambitious. If we do well in the transfer market, it will be down to Keegan, just like the last time he was manager. so if keegan spends £100million it will be down t him but when robson spent on bellamy and robert etc it was down to our board ? oh and where does ambition end and recklessness start ?

Oh my you cant even spot a tongue in cheek remark. It is not Man Utd fault if the Arsenal board dont trust Wegner to splash out big on a player or Wegner has doubts about signing big after the limted success of big buys like Jeffers, Reyes & Wiltord. Arsene Wegner has not made Arsenal a big club or made them punch above there weight as they have always been a big club, there history tells you this. As Man Utd/Sir Alex are the most successful club in the Premier League history I guess what they do is the best way towards sustainable success. indeed. Their current attacking strength has cost them around 80m quid ie Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Saha not to mention Carrick, Hargreaves, Nani and Anderson to back them up. Must be over 100m and just to show even the best managers drop a huge clanger, Veron. Still, I'm sure that Chris Mort has a better way. Also add the best team we have seen at Newcastle in living memory, which almost won the title, and almost the entire team was bought some of them big buys, the biggest of the time. And topped off with the worlds most expensive player, which nobody turned their nose up at and would undoubtedly gone on to do the trick had it not been for the manager leaving the club. You can't get much more proof than this, its just amazing the people in this thread who have defended the prudent method. Lets put it this way, it ONLY works if you have a one off able to make it work like Wenger. and the other way only works if you can afford the debt or bring in enough money to finance such spending.

where would investment and bad managemnet get you ? Whats that got to do with anything? Keegan IMO (and Morts clearly) is a good manager, therefore should be backed. There's two options, you either trust a manager or you don't. If you do, you back him. If you don't you sack him. However, of course, there are variables on how much you can afford to back him. backed with debt (can we get credit in todays environment and on what terms) or with what we generate ?

where would investment and bad managemnet get you ?

allardyce....worst football i've seen in 30years and we were going down.

76 pages on realistic summer targets and we are still in april......................and we have the cheek to slag off the press.

it is........but before the game we didn't think it outlandish we could win and then we could have won the game, the past few weeks haven't just seen a change in results but in the whole playing ethos of the club. we are now going to places like portsmouth thinking "a point at worst" and we aren't kidding ourselves.

I re-iterate - don't talk sh*te. But you keep doing it anyway. Maybe it's because it's such an uttely pillocky comment ? Internet hard man. If you think that he should be happy cos he's getting paid then you are an idiot who is clearly at war with the world and very bitter, if you think he's had anything but a crap time here then i can only assume you have had an amazing past 5 years as a fan....which makes you an idiot as well. If only you had something constructive to say.... his time here has been s*** ? the opportunity to leave le harve and months later be in the prem,the ability to be able to place your family where you want (aprox 280mile from where you work mind),the ability to do his job poorly and still be lauded for it. he's had a marginally worse time as the rest of them (his dad dying)...enough to explain his 24month strop and poor form.........nada. We're back to square one then? Right, so basically you see absolutely no reason why he shouldnt be perfoming and performing well, (forgetting the fact that at times he has actually performed well and consistently well at times, even early this season at LW) and i see reasons why his time here hasnt been great and therefore offers an insight to his poor form and maybe why his attitude is like it is. (im not saying his attitude is right) Like i say, you name me a single player Zogs age in the premiership who's had as difficult an early career as that and still maintained his form and perfect attitude and ill happily back down, but if you cant you have to see some merit in what im saying....surely? This boy has had it THE worst in my opinion. He's stuck around lot longer then most have (considering he's one of 4-5 players from the SBR days). lots of players go through hard times (the boumsong stuff is superfluous though)the ones who cant hack it get discarded,those that can make it. I see no reason to think n'zogbia isn't a jenas II Well then i guess i sympathize with his plight too much. I guess i think losing your father figure after losing your father is a significant thing, maybe you dont, but im just trying to put myself in his situation and i dont think i could of done too much better, i guess all the people who disagree with me could do better than what Zog has done, which is a credit to them. Well done. Just want to re iterate once more that i think his fathers death is one of a number of things that havent gone for him in his career, people are dragging it out like it the crux of my argument when it isnt. I can see where his frustrations lie, you cant, thats fair enough. just his father dying is the only thing others havent gone thorugh. ican see where his frustrations lie....how to react to them....that is the difference....head down and work or strop? How is it though? 5 managers at the age of 21 - you might think this is one thing, but i see it as 5 seperate incident in a young mans developing career. Parent dying in a different country at a young age Subsequent father figure being sold - Inevitable but not easy to get over and it showed in his performances at his times, so you cant just discard the effect. Playing out your skin and become instrumental to the teams success ony to be discarded for a poorer player the next season, a player who gets into the team on reputation and name alone. (there was absolutely nothing he could do in this situation, this is where the attitude began) played completely out of position Completely discarded becasue his attitude doesnt sit well with the manager and also doesn fit in with the formation. I genuinely cant apply those things to every single player in our squad. Can you? Its not like im exaggerating here, this is what happened to him. He's 21 and has been through all that.... 5 managers by the age of 21............means nowt parent dying.....would affect him him....not NUFC fault father figure being sold......21yrs now and 2 years of poor form playing out your skin ? overhype. and that next season he was the worst of 3 players in that position.....do you agree ? played out of position....under allardyce who wasn't ? completely discatded............on account of form and attitude (makes sense really) i'd like the manager to turn him round but i think n;zogbia is,as i've said .another jenas. Mate if you think having 5 managers that early in your career "means nowt" and is gonna have no effect on your developement or thoughts about the club then that is a joke in its self. "Overhype" if he was instrumental to the success how is it over hype, he was what 19 years old?? the following season, yes, he was poor but how much was that down to having Duff play in frontog him and he could do nothing about it. Not even get his head down in trainng becasueRoeder bummed Duff. That season was a joke and everyone said so at the time, whats changed? The fact that that opinion doesnt suit anymore? Who else under Allardyce was so dramatically played out of position? Milner? Smith? Cop out of an excuse. It clear that we dont agree and that under those circumstances you and everyone else would thrive. Well Done. 5 managers will have an affect........good affects from the good and bad from the bad overhype...........simple no matter how old he was if some thi k he was better than he was then it was overhype (have you realised thye use of past tense?) who else //////blah////allardyce.......milner,martins,taylor,barton.)if you want to defend someone psychologically wheres youre defence of joey barton.......much more evidence)

I re-iterate - don't talk sh*te. But you keep doing it anyway. Maybe it's because it's such an uttely pillocky comment ? Internet hard man. If you think that he should be happy cos he's getting paid then you are an idiot who is clearly at war with the world and very bitter, if you think he's had anything but a crap time here then i can only assume you have had an amazing past 5 years as a fan....which makes you an idiot as well. If only you had something constructive to say.... his time here has been s*** ? the opportunity to leave le harve and months later be in the prem,the ability to be able to place your family where you want (aprox 280mile from where you work mind),the ability to do his job poorly and still be lauded for it. he's had a marginally worse time as the rest of them (his dad dying)...enough to explain his 24month strop and poor form.........nada. We're back to square one then? Right, so basically you see absolutely no reason why he shouldnt be perfoming and performing well, (forgetting the fact that at times he has actually performed well and consistently well at times, even early this season at LW) and i see reasons why his time here hasnt been great and therefore offers an insight to his poor form and maybe why his attitude is like it is. (im not saying his attitude is right) Like i say, you name me a single player Zogs age in the premiership who's had as difficult an early career as that and still maintained his form and perfect attitude and ill happily back down, but if you cant you have to see some merit in what im saying....surely? This boy has had it THE worst in my opinion. He's stuck around lot longer then most have (considering he's one of 4-5 players from the SBR days). lots of players go through hard times (the boumsong stuff is superfluous though)the ones who cant hack it get discarded,those that can make it. I see no reason to think n'zogbia isn't a jenas II Well then i guess i sympathize with his plight too much. I guess i think losing your father figure after losing your father is a significant thing, maybe you dont, but im just trying to put myself in his situation and i dont think i could of done too much better, i guess all the people who disagree with me could do better than what Zog has done, which is a credit to them. Well done. Just want to re iterate once more that i think his fathers death is one of a number of things that havent gone for him in his career, people are dragging it out like it the crux of my argument when it isnt. I can see where his frustrations lie, you cant, thats fair enough. just his father dying is the only thing others havent gone thorugh. ican see where his frustrations lie....how to react to them....that is the difference....head down and work or strop? How is it though? 5 managers at the age of 21 - you might think this is one thing, but i see it as 5 seperate incident in a young mans developing career. Parent dying in a different country at a young age Subsequent father figure being sold - Inevitable but not easy to get over and it showed in his performances at his times, so you cant just discard the effect. Playing out your skin and become instrumental to the teams success ony to be discarded for a poorer player the next season, a player who gets into the team on reputation and name alone. (there was absolutely nothing he could do in this situation, this is where the attitude began) played completely out of position Completely discarded becasue his attitude doesnt sit well with the manager and also doesn fit in with the formation. I genuinely cant apply those things to every single player in our squad. Can you? Its not like im exaggerating here, this is what happened to him. He's 21 and has been through all that.... 5 managers by the age of 21............means nowt parent dying.....would affect him him....not NUFC fault father figure being sold......21yrs now and 2 years of poor form playing out your skin ? overhype. and that next season he was the worst of 3 players in that position.....do you agree ? played out of position....under allardyce who wasn't ? completely discatded............on account of form and attitude (makes sense really) i'd like the manager to turn him round but i think n;zogbia is,as i've said .another jenas.

I remember Tomasson playing in that pre-season tournament over here in Ireland and looking like an absolute class act playing just off the front man. What a waste. Agree with both these posts agreed...........are we ready for a dalglish revisited. unlucky with injuries and not as bad as made out ?

I re-iterate - don't talk sh*te. But you keep doing it anyway. Maybe it's because it's such an uttely pillocky comment ? Internet hard man. If you think that he should be happy cos he's getting paid then you are an idiot who is clearly at war with the world and very bitter, if you think he's had anything but a crap time here then i can only assume you have had an amazing past 5 years as a fan....which makes you an idiot as well. If only you had something constructive to say.... his time here has been s*** ? the opportunity to leave le harve and months later be in the prem,the ability to be able to place your family where you want (aprox 280mile from where you work mind),the ability to do his job poorly and still be lauded for it. he's had a marginally worse time as the rest of them (his dad dying)...enough to explain his 24month strop and poor form.........nada. We're back to square one then? Right, so basically you see absolutely no reason why he shouldnt be perfoming and performing well, (forgetting the fact that at times he has actually performed well and consistently well at times, even early this season at LW) and i see reasons why his time here hasnt been great and therefore offers an insight to his poor form and maybe why his attitude is like it is. (im not saying his attitude is right) Like i say, you name me a single player Zogs age in the premiership who's had as difficult an early career as that and still maintained his form and perfect attitude and ill happily back down, but if you cant you have to see some merit in what im saying....surely? This boy has had it THE worst in my opinion. He's stuck around lot longer then most have (considering he's one of 4-5 players from the SBR days). lots of players go through hard times (the boumsong stuff is superfluous though)the ones who cant hack it get discarded,those that can make it. I see no reason to think n'zogbia isn't a jenas II Well then i guess i sympathize with his plight too much. I guess i think losing your father figure after losing your father is a significant thing, maybe you dont, but im just trying to put myself in his situation and i dont think i could of done too much better, i guess all the people who disagree with me could do better than what Zog has done, which is a credit to them. Well done. Just want to re iterate once more that i think his fathers death is one of a number of things that havent gone for him in his career, people are dragging it out like it the crux of my argument when it isnt. I can see where his frustrations lie, you cant, thats fair enough. just his father dying is the only thing others havent gone thorugh. ican see where his frustrations lie....how to react to them....that is the difference....head down and work or strop?

I re-iterate - don't talk sh*te. But you keep doing it anyway. Maybe it's because it's such an uttely pillocky comment ? Internet hard man. If you think that he should be happy cos he's getting paid then you are an idiot who is clearly at war with the world and very bitter, if you think he's had anything but a crap time here then i can only assume you have had an amazing past 5 years as a fan....which makes you an idiot as well. If only you had something constructive to say.... his time here has been s*** ? the opportunity to leave le harve and months later be in the prem,the ability to be able to place your family where you want (aprox 280mile from where you work mind),the ability to do his job poorly and still be lauded for it. he's had a marginally worse time as the rest of them (his dad dying)...enough to explain his 24month strop and poor form.........nada. We're back to square one then? Right, so basically you see absolutely no reason why he shouldnt be perfoming and performing well, (forgetting the fact that at times he has actually performed well and consistently well at times, even early this season at LW) and i see reasons why his time here hasnt been great and therefore offers an insight to his poor form and maybe why his attitude is like it is. (im not saying his attitude is right) Like i say, you name me a single player Zogs age in the premiership who's had as difficult an early career as that and still maintained his form and perfect attitude and ill happily back down, but if you cant you have to see some merit in what im saying....surely? This boy has had it THE worst in my opinion. He's stuck around lot longer then most have (considering he's one of 4-5 players from the SBR days). lots of players go through hard times (the boumsong stuff is superfluous though)the ones who cant hack it get discarded,those that can make it. I see no reason to think n'zogbia isn't a jenas II Zog's role is different to Jenas though. N'Zogbia's forte is providing delivery and goals or if you like, end product. Jenas's was making a side tick. i mean in their attitude

I re-iterate - don't talk sh*te. But you keep doing it anyway. Maybe it's because it's such an uttely pillocky comment ? Internet hard man. If you think that he should be happy cos he's getting paid then you are an idiot who is clearly at war with the world and very bitter, if you think he's had anything but a crap time here then i can only assume you have had an amazing past 5 years as a fan....which makes you an idiot as well. If only you had something constructive to say.... his time here has been s*** ? the opportunity to leave le harve and months later be in the prem,the ability to be able to place your family where you want (aprox 280mile from where you work mind),the ability to do his job poorly and still be lauded for it. he's had a marginally worse time as the rest of them (his dad dying)...enough to explain his 24month strop and poor form.........nada. We're back to square one then? Right, so basically you see absolutely no reason why he shouldnt be perfoming and performing well, (forgetting the fact that at times he has actually performed well and consistently well at times, even early this season at LW) and i see reasons why his time here hasnt been great and therefore offers an insight to his poor form and maybe why his attitude is like it is. (im not saying his attitude is right) Like i say, you name me a single player Zogs age in the premiership who's had as difficult an early career as that and still maintained his form and perfect attitude and ill happily back down, but if you cant you have to see some merit in what im saying....surely? This boy has had it THE worst in my opinion. He's stuck around lot longer then most have (considering he's one of 4-5 players from the SBR days). lots of players go through hard times (the boumsong stuff is superfluous though)the ones who cant hack it get discarded,those that can make it. I see no reason to think n'zogbia isn't a jenas II

Beye looks calm and assured, he just looks like a top class defender, if all of the Allardyce signings were as good as him we'd have had a very good season. We give Allardyce stick for the way he (Allardyce) turned out but he's got to be given credit for Beye, he's come to a new country and fit straight in. i'd say the same about enrique and (just about) faye aswell. but his team set up's were awful. best example i can give is swindon. many said the team was built by macari but only played under hoddle. I could be wrong but didn't they play best under Ardiles where the diamond formation was first invented? youre right...i mixed up my spiritual nut case with my argentine lawyer (macari built the team though)

Beye looks calm and assured, he just looks like a top class defender, if all of the Allardyce signings were as good as him we'd have had a very good season. We give Allardyce stick for the way he (Allardyce) turned out but he's got to be given credit for Beye, he's come to a new country and fit straight in. i'd say the same about enrique and (just about) faye aswell. but his team set up's were awful. best example i can give is swindon. many said the team was built by macari but only played under hoddle.

only on the proviso he promises to stop being a diving,cheating,nipping,pulling hair,whiney b******. plus he wouldnt sign for us anyway he would if we showed we were more ambitious than everton(of which there is a possibility). the top 4 are unlikely to want him. personally though no.... i wouldnt sign him.

only on the proviso he promises to stop being a diving,cheating,nipping,pulling hair,whiney bastard.

I re-iterate - don't talk sh*te. But you keep doing it anyway. Maybe it's because it's such an uttely pillocky comment ? Internet hard man. If you think that he should be happy cos he's getting paid then you are an idiot who is clearly at war with the world and very bitter, if you think he's had anything but a crap time here then i can only assume you have had an amazing past 5 years as a fan....which makes you an idiot as well. If only you had something constructive to say.... his time here has been shit ? the opportunity to leave le harve and months later be in the prem,the ability to be able to place your family where you want (aprox 280mile from where you work mind),the ability to do his job poorly and still be lauded for it. he's had a marginally worse time as the rest of them (his dad dying)...enough to explain his 24month strop and poor form.........nada.