madras

having a look at RTG and I'm surprised at the amount of surrendering going on on the back of a defeat by spurs especially given their next half dozen games or so.

looking back it seems like we struck lucky with cabaye appearing to hit the ground running but we expected the same from gouffran, debuchy, sissoko and yanga m'biwa.

I said similar the other day but described it as one paced, as in unable to change our tempo, to adapt to a team pushing on more or for us to up tempo the chase a game.. I'd like to see todays line up as the template for the club, we have personnel who can switch in and out for injuries/suspensions and upping/downing tempo should be achieveable with use. it's got to be harder chopping and changing formations aswell as personnel but understandable managers may do it when struggling.

has steve clarke got any teeth ?

the other one is "barcelona of the north", it was meant as an umbrella for several sports, which we did for a while, basketball, rugby union, ice hockey, even motor sport, not that we were set to become the best team in the world.

Didn't we last beat them the game after we lost to Hereford in the FA Cup? I seem to remember John Tudor possibly scoring. aye, stewie barrowclough scored aswell I think. i think footage is on youtube but I can't find it. it's the only footage I've seen of tony green playing for us.

I don't think I did slag him off, I just didn't see everything in the match as being perfect. i've never seen any game as being perfect. (closest was the 6-0 v barnsley the season keegan managed us up)

We lost 3-0 tonight and you're defending him. well you slag him off when we deservedly beat chelsea so

he doesn't need to work hard enough if he is good enough with the ball, too oftenrecently though he's done neither.

The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns. Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead. i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did. Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other. When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure. There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands. naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed. I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older. I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish. Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops. But nah, it's not a tactic. I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ? The tactics appear to be to nick a goal then perhaps another then defend it for our lives, cancel the game out as a spectator sport at best and come unstuck at worst. There isn't much of a Plan B when we go behind, the records show you that because we've rarely managed to turn that scenario into anything other than a loss. It's funny that you blame the players when our player turnover's been pretty high over the years that Pardew has been in charge, it's a bit of a mad coincidence that we keep buying these players that love hanging on for dear life every time they go ahead in a game. In fact I think it happened less in his first half season before he'd managed to implement his coaching methods, we actually did batter a few teams during that period. Anyway, for comparative purposes, Pardew's side vs Liverpool in 2010: Krul Simpson Jose Enrique Tiote Steven Taylor Campbell Barton Nolan Carroll Ameobi Gutierrez Pardew's side tonight: Krul Debuchy Williamson Coloccini Santon Tiote Cabaye Sissoko Gouffran Sh.Ameobi Remy Seems mad that it's the players like, when it's mainly completely different players. Krul must be influential as f*** in his insistence he wants to earn his wages each week. i thought you were a stalwart of the pardew has no say brigade ? why would he employ the same tactics all the time even when they f*** up, no matter how bad you think he is surely he'd think, "thats not worked week after week, change it a bit" ? Dunno mate, why would he? I've given you various reasons why I think it's a tactic/instruction, you're on to the bare bones of "It doesn't work so why would he do it?" Bringing Obertan on never works, in fact bothering with Obertan rarely has worked during the course of over 2 seasons, why does he do that? i'll give you obertan like, worked at blackburn but then again ferguson brought on djemba djemba a few times.

Fair enough, we're not miles apart, I just don't know why you defend him when you will be watching the games that I do. i don't defend him all the time, i think he fucked up today with colo and shola which I said pre match (not post match wisdom), he has been too defensive at times, particularly last season when he was shitting himself, but too many on here play the relentless game of "everythings his fault". what i mean is i'll slag him off when i think he deserves it, i'll not slag him off because i've found a quote or whatever and i've picked it aparrt to find a way to twist it to have a go at him.

The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns. Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead. i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did. Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other. When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure. There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands. naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed. I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older. I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish. Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops. But nah, it's not a tactic. I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ? The tactics appear to be to nick a goal then perhaps another then defend it for our lives, cancel the game out as a spectator sport at best and come unstuck at worst. There isn't much of a Plan B when we go behind, the records show you that because we've rarely managed to turn that scenario into anything other than a loss. It's funny that you blame the players when our player turnover's been pretty high over the years that Pardew has been in charge, it's a bit of a mad coincidence that we keep buying these players that love hanging on for dear life every time they go ahead in a game. In fact I think it happened less in his first half season before he'd managed to implement his coaching methods, we actually did batter a few teams during that period. Anyway, for comparative purposes, Pardew's side vs Liverpool in 2010: Krul Simpson Jose Enrique Tiote Steven Taylor Campbell Barton Nolan Carroll Ameobi Gutierrez Pardew's side tonight: Krul Debuchy Williamson Coloccini Santon Tiote Cabaye Sissoko Gouffran Sh.Ameobi Remy Seems mad that it's the players like, when it's mainly completely different players. Krul must be influential as f*** in his insistence he wants to earn his wages each week. i thought you were a stalwart of the pardew has no say brigade ? why would he employ the same tactics all the time even when they fuck up, no matter how bad you think he is surely he'd think, "thats not worked week after week, change it a bit" ?

Give over man, even if he's the head coach it's his job to coach them to play the way he wants them to play, which he clearly is. no doubt, i'm just not so sure that many of the managers we could get could do much better with what we have. i'd love us to get a a pochettino but I haven't a clue right now on up and coming euro talent.

15 times in 112 league matches. How many times have we won by two goals or more. ? Howay, I'm not that bored. worth a try. I am that bored. 18 times in 112 league games. How many times had we won by 2 goals or more in the preceding 112 premier league games? 17

nah, wasn't on the touch line.

If it is the players then it's the managers job to do something about it. aye to a point, increasingly though they are having less say and are becoming de facto head coaches.

The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns. Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead. i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did. Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other. When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure. There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands. naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed. I wasn't trying to have a competition on who had watched football longer, i.e. who's older. I just think you're wrong, I think certainly you'll encounter more of a backlash when you go in front but under Keegan, Robson and even the likes of Roeder at times there'd be plenty of games where we'd go in front then go on to win the game comfortably, generally playing in a similar way from start to finish. Pardew has been here 3 years and if I thought really hard I could probably only give you a handful of times when that's occurred, tops. But nah, it's not a tactic. I understand what you mean...........but (you knew that was coming didncha ?) I don't think he'd use a tactic which has failed so often for him, then what, what if it's the players ? why do you think we struggle when we go a goal down, are the tactics still to defend ?

The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns. Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead. i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did. Of course it happens to a degree but as usual you're treating situations as black and white, one or the other. When we have a lead we regularly go from playing some very decent football indeed to not being able/willing to string 2 passes together, switching to hoofing as the only means of defending, sitting 10 yards further back, and generally inviting pressure. There's no way it's a coincidence that this happens to the extent that it does under Pardew as you suggest, and I'm basing that on 20 years of watching football matches including NUFC ones and seeing trends rather than 1 game in the Midlands. naturally you know I'm basing it on longer, to my mind it;s a mix of things, the team going a goal down will want to push, the other team will be expecting this, it's not a tactic. hoofing was a problem last year but watch other teams, they do it aswell when under pressure. fwiw i do think we suffer from struggling to handle the pressure that other teams naturally put on after going a goal down, also why we struggle after going a goa l behind but it's not necessarily tactical, it's the players being quite one paced in that they can't up the tempo for longer periods that are needed.

The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns. Yep, happened in one game involving 2 different teams that madras saw so we can discount it happening before our eyes as "the natural way of things" in almost every game under Pardew in which we've taken the lead. i used a recent game many would have saw as an example, you don't think it's natural that a team after going a goal down pushes on a bit more ? we saw that we did tonight got caught doing it but we did.

The same tactics that has been criticized by plenty on here even after four wins... I was going to leave that for tonight and bring it up tomorrow but the claim of sitting back "all the time" after taking a lead etc, I watched west brom-villa the other week, west brom 2-0 up at half time and the second half they got battered, was that because they sat back or two teams without a gulf between them and when one takes a lead the other has more of a need to attack a bit more (like the start of the second half tonight actually). i don't think we have tactics to do that constantly, we have done it at times and we've normally paid for it, but most times it's the natural way of things like we witnessed on the box at the hawthorns.

yet debuchy stood still ? I'm sure shelvey said he moved his head "to avoid him".

agree with most of that, the first penalty though is given whenever it is seen, sometime if the ref doesn't see it it goes by but when he sees it he gives 9 times out of 10. the foul on gouffran mind is a pen all day but rarely given at all anywhere.

so it's you then.

Already saying Man Utd will be fired up for Saturday after tonight, which is bad news for us. does that really happen ? team A get beat so the week later they try harder ? within that game i can understand, go a goal down, push out etc but a few days later I doubt the psychology changes.

we regressed last year from the year before, we've progressed from last year.