Wullie

Can only hope you're on a wind-up mate. If he's actually said the part in bold then that's absolutely appalling. You're right like, not just the bit in bold either, the whole statement is bang out of order, for so many reasons.

Excellent, Derby drew 2-1 with Liverpool today. Wigan have averaged a goal a game all season so don't look at one result in isolation, before today they'd won 3 games out of 18 and drawn 4 lost 11. wigan have 8 points from 5 games since bruce took over, a considerable improvement on the last manager. Easy to sit there and say that without watching it isn't it? points-wise, it clearly is. he's doubled their points total in 5 games. You didn't see the game, so what gives you a position to comment? Wigan were absolutely atrocious today, so what Bruce has or hasn't done is pretty irrelevant. Their performance had jack s*** to do with how bad we were. Ditto Derby. Ditto Fulham. Ditto Birmingham. Ditto Derby again. which game are we talking about here? if its today, then i did. yes, both teams were bad, but we arent as bad as we have been in recent years. watford at the end of last season springs to mind. Funny, cos you were posting on here at the time, it wasn't on television, nor, I am reliably informed, was it available on the internet. I know you weren't at the game. I don't wish to do the soopafan thing, but telling people they're fickle and unrealistic when they've paid good money and spent their Boxing Day going to see that is pretty ridiculous if you ask me. I've been to Fulham and Wigan, spent upwards of £200 in the process and seen two of the world football matches I have ever seen in the past two weeks. Many hundreds of people have done that and also been to sunderland, Derby, Man City, Reading, Blackburn and seen performances just as bad. When the away fans are booing the manager, it's time to listen to them and not people sitting at home with Wigan's points statistics in front of them trying to kid themselves that it's acceptable. Watford ffs. Managerless, last game, with no chance to move a single position up or down and you're comparing that to a game slap-bang in the middle of the season? Have a word. it was on, just not the best quality. ive also travelled the country watching us in some dire matches throughout the years (portsmouth away 0-0 and man city last year spring to mind) so i can definitely sympathize with those who went. it just isnt as simple as booing the manager and wanting him sacked. we've done this with every manager since keegan and its got us nowhere. the only manager who was given any reasonable amount of time was robson and he did really well. you really need to remember the state we were in in roeders and souness' final days to know we arent as bad as then. the watford game was the first example i thought of. man city at home last season. we didnt score at home for 3 months. that was worse than this. So you're saying Roeder and Souness had us in a state, yes? But presumably you'd have kept them on, after all "time = success" in Bizarro World. Bobby Robson had won European trophies and managed Barcelona for God's sake. He didn't just do well because we happened to stick with him for a while. This "time" thing is one of football's most long standing and ludicrous myths. It wasn't worse than this. It might have been just as bad but it wasn't worse. It's all total dross. You could count on one hand the genuine chances we've garnered against Fulham, Wigan, Derby and sunderland - we've scored a total fluke and a penalty. That's not "better" than anything and even if in your opinion, it's better than not scoring at home for three months, it's hardly a gold plated reason to keep him on. I'm not still not sure what the solution is personally, but don't point at Wigan's form under Bruce and try and say they were and are anything other than atrocious.

Excellent, Derby drew 2-1 with Liverpool today. Wigan have averaged a goal a game all season so don't look at one result in isolation, before today they'd won 3 games out of 18 and drawn 4 lost 11. wigan have 8 points from 5 games since bruce took over, a considerable improvement on the last manager. Easy to sit there and say that without watching it isn't it? points-wise, it clearly is. he's doubled their points total in 5 games. You didn't see the game, so what gives you a position to comment? Wigan were absolutely atrocious today, so what Bruce has or hasn't done is pretty irrelevant. Their performance had jack s*** to do with how bad we were. Ditto Derby. Ditto Fulham. Ditto Birmingham. Ditto Derby again. which game are we talking about here? if its today, then i did. yes, both teams were bad, but we arent as bad as we have been in recent years. watford at the end of last season springs to mind. Funny, cos you were posting on here at the time, it wasn't on television, nor, I am reliably informed, was it available on the internet. I know you weren't at the game. I don't wish to do the soopafan thing, but telling people they're fickle and unrealistic when they've paid good money and spent their Boxing Day going to see that is pretty ridiculous if you ask me. I've been to Fulham and Wigan, spent upwards of £200 in the process and seen two of the worst football matches I have ever seen in the past two weeks. Many hundreds of people have done that and also been to sunderland, Derby, Man City, Reading, Blackburn and seen performances just as bad. When the away fans are booing the manager, it's time to listen to them and not people sitting at home with Wigan's points statistics in front of them trying to kid themselves that it's acceptable. Watford ffs. Managerless, last game, with no chance to move a single position up or down and you're comparing that to a game slap-bang in the middle of the season? Have a word.

Excellent, Derby drew 2-1 with Liverpool today. Wigan have averaged a goal a game all season so don't look at one result in isolation, before today they'd won 3 games out of 18 and drawn 4 lost 11. wigan have 8 points from 5 games since bruce took over, a considerable improvement on the last manager. Easy to sit there and say that without watching it isn't it? points-wise, it clearly is. he's doubled their points total in 5 games. You didn't see the game, so what gives you a position to comment? Wigan were absolutely atrocious today, so what Bruce has or hasn't done is pretty irrelevant. Their performance had jack shit to do with how bad we were. Ditto Derby. Ditto Fulham. Ditto Birmingham. Ditto Derby again.

Excellent, Derby drew 2-1 with Liverpool today. Wigan have averaged a goal a game all season so don't look at one result in isolation, before today they'd won 3 games out of 18 and drawn 4 lost 11. wigan have 8 points from 5 games since bruce took over, a considerable improvement on the last manager. Easy to sit there and say that without watching it isn't it?

What did he say about Emre? He's having a fucking laugh picking on individuals like. So Emre goes out, who replaces him? Barton presumably, who he binned from the sixteen this week?

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Notice Jussi made another cock up today, to add to this season's list.

We were shocked he didn't mention how much of a Geordie he is post match. Fucking red cunt.

I'd prefer him just to play one that might win. I know that would seem a ludicrous suggestion to Samuel.

Where was Barton today? Is that another one he's just got sick of after a few weeks as well?

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Stupid tackle in a place where he could have simply shephered the player away from goal. Totally moronic and it was bloody obvious what was going to happen from there. The bloke seems to think his purpose on the field is to get booked.

you all called for bobs head after his first two years, it takes time man, give somebody a fukin chance Were you there today mate? Genuine question. This really is total dross we're watching at the moment.

Explain how Viduka fits into that list. explain how he doesnt? just because he scored 2 goals v derby means hes good? he does nothing for the team We punted long balls at him from minute one today and gave him no support. There was a moment late on where Martins skinned the right back and burst into the box looking to pull it back on his left foot. Viduka was surrounded by three blue shirts, Milner was right over the far side and Emre and Smith were stood in the centre circle scratching their arse. 1-0 down with about 10 minutes left, we should have been piling forward. No support. If you think a player like Mark Viduka is our problem, you've a lot to learn ffs.

Wonder how many of the people pouring scorn on suggestions of getting rid and introducing stupid hyperbole like "because he hasn't won the league" are actually watching this dross? Personally I'm still not sure, since we're not going to go down, but barring some incredible turnaround and the man suddenly learning lessons, Ashley and Mort should already be putting feelers out for May.

I've never seen the like away from home. Some of the stuff that went on, not from a small minority of pissed up charvas either (some have temporarily escaped my memory, others will know): Obviously chanting for Oba from about 15 minutes onwards Shearer, Shearer - long, loud and persistent Very loud booing when Allardyce picked up the ball when it went out of play Booing at half time and full time Most tellingly, the vast majority for most of the second half: "We're shit and we're sick of it" All totally justified too imo. Today went beyond the pale.

There's a bloody good reason why our left hand side is shite, and none of it has anything to do with the above.

Wasn't his fault some stupid arsehole decided to give a free kick away in that position, just because he hadn't fouled anyone for nearly a minute.

Bang on the nail.

He is so bad it's scary. The foul he committed to give Ryan Taylor, who scored last season and had already warmed up his right foot, another shooting opportunity was the action of someone who doesn't have a fucking brain in his skull.

I hope Big Faye's fit tomorrow, that'll be ace.

We need more from a left footed striker than the ability to play wide right, I know that. I keep asking myself why Torres isn't playing left wing. We need more of everything from Martins in terms of all-round play on and off the ball regardless of where he plays and we don't often get that. I like the player and rate his ability to grab goals but he's not the answer now or ever. Not on the right wing, no. Not anywhere. I agree though that sticking him on the right flank is doing him nor the team any good. Not anywhere, give your head a shake man. The lad's being fucked about with, like most of our quality players. Mainly in order to accomdate Alan Smith as far as I can see.

We need more from a left footed striker than the ability to play wide right, I know that. I keep asking myself why Torres isn't playing left wing. We need more of everything from Martins in terms of all-round play on and off the ball regardless of where he plays and we don't often get that. I like the player and rate his ability to grab goals but he's not the answer now or ever. Not on the right wing, no.

Not a bad idea tbf.