Wullie

My point exactly. Liverpool fans themselves don't even know. I don't know why you expect anyone else to pay the slightest bit of attention. I do know what the fight for justice is for, but I do agree a lot don't. What I meant was that 'fru' and a couple of others earlier in the thread were saying that the protest was solely against Mackenzie.

Is someone pointing a gun to your bollocks or something? Coming from someone who doesn't go to the games, I find that a pretty ridiculous statement tbh. FFS maybe the club should just be allowed to charge what they like. A grand a game, would that be acceptable to you? Probably, seeing as you don't pay it. Nobody is forcing you to go. So just shut it, you silly tart. You should be happy that you've got enough time and cash to follow the Toon. :roll: I haven't, but I do. No-one forces me to buy milk either, should supermarkets be allowed to sell it for a tenner a bottle? No-one forces me to buy petrol, should they be allowed to charge £15 a litre? Are you some kinda of spoilt little rich kid? (Hence the time and cash) Which part of "I haven't" didn't you understand?

Is someone pointing a gun to your bollocks or something? Coming from someone who doesn't go to the games, I find that a pretty ridiculous statement tbh. FFS maybe the club should just be allowed to charge what they like. A grand a game, would that be acceptable to you? Probably, seeing as you don't pay it. Nobody is forcing you to go. So just shut it, you silly tart. You should be happy that you've got enough time and cash to follow the Toon. :roll: I haven't, but I do. No-one forces me to buy milk either, should supermarkets be allowed to sell it for a tenner a bottle? No-one forces me to buy petrol, should they be allowed to charge £15 a litre? Christ Wullie who pissed on your chips tonight?! Don't know his name, but he plays up front for Birmingham.

Is someone pointing a gun to your bollocks or something? Coming from someone who doesn't go to the games, I find that a pretty ridiculous statement tbh. FFS maybe the club should just be allowed to charge what they like. A grand a game, would that be acceptable to you? Probably, seeing as you don't pay it. Nobody is forcing you to go. So just shut it, you silly tart. You should be happy that you've got enough time and cash to follow the Toon. :roll: I haven't, but I do. No-one forces me to buy milk either, should supermarkets be allowed to sell it for a tenner a bottle? No-one forces me to buy petrol, should they be allowed to charge £15 a litre?

We have a replay, so all that counts for absolutely nothing. They had ten men for the second half and they're from a lower division, we should be dominating them. The first half was the opposite, but for Taylor somehow clearing off the line, we could have gone in dead and buried. I'd be livid if we threw the lead away against 10 man Chelsea or 10 man Man Utd with 5 minutes to go, never mind sodding Birmingham.

Is someone pointing a gun to your bollocks or something? Coming from someone who doesn't go to the games, I find that a pretty ridiculous statement tbh. FFS maybe the club should just be allowed to charge what they like. A grand a game, would that be acceptable to you? Probably, seeing as you don't pay it.

Prices are absolutely abhorrent. After the Birmingham replay, I'll have paid £150 to watch us this season in cup games before a significant stage of any competition. Two Carling Cup rounds, one FA Cup and about two dozen shitty European games, by the time whoever the fuck we're playing in the UEFA Cup next come to SJP, I could quite easily have paid £200 by February to watch shit, on top of the season ticket. I've only been to one away game this season and having paid £39 to go a hole like Bolton, it's not hard to see why.

My point exactly. Liverpool fans themselves don't even know. I don't know why you expect anyone else to pay the slightest bit of attention.

It truly did. The players were clearly distracted, the commentators didn't really know what it was in aid of, Thierry Henry at the end said he didn't know what was going on, even the Liverpool fans on here don't really seem to know what it was in aid of. They sang "Justice for the '96" but from who and to what end? Some of the lads on here have said it was in protest about Kelvin Mackenzie getting a job at the BBC, but that doesn't seem to make any sense on any level. At the end of the day, all this "The Truth" and "Justice" stuff is going nowhere. They're not going to open up a new inquiry on the back of a protest at the match, no police officers who may have been at fault are going to be brought to task now and Mackenzie is a millionaire, whether he gets a job is neither here nor there to anyone. What happened was terrible, but going on about it now, seventeen years later, will solve nothing. For your information and for clarification; Today's protest was aimed at Kelvin Mackenzie, the man who continues to mantain that the proven lies (proven by a Judicial Government Enquiry) peddled by The Sun in 1989 are infact the truth. We know this to be a campaign by Mackenzie to delibrately spread misinformation and smear 96 of our dead friends for profitable gain, we are seeking justice and truth for the 96 Hillsborough dead. Sorry if this seems pointless, ridiculous or OTT to you , but it is a cause close to the heart of every liverpool supporter, as 12,000 people on the Kop showed you tonight. Like it or lump it geordies. What justice are you searching for? Mackenzie is not going to be taken to court or have anything done about what he printed seventeen years ago. You were holding up "The Truth", most right thinking people already know 'the truth', that what The Sun printed was defamatory rubbish. What, exactly, are you hoping to acheive from today? I bet the vast majority of people don't even know it was aimed at Mackenzie, which seems to totally defeat the point... surely?

It truly did. The players were clearly distracted, the commentators didn't really know what it was in aid of, Thierry Henry at the end said he didn't know what was going on, even the Liverpool fans on here don't really seem to know what it was in aid of. They sang "Justice for the '96" but from who and to what end? Some of the lads on here have said it was in protest about Kelvin Mackenzie getting a job at the BBC, but that doesn't seem to make any sense on any level. At the end of the day, all this "The Truth" and "Justice" stuff is going nowhere. They're not going to open up a new inquiry on the back of a protest at the match, no police officers who may have been at fault are going to be brought to task now and Mackenzie is a millionaire, whether he gets a job is neither here nor there to anyone. What happened was terrible, but going on about it now, seventeen years later, will solve nothing.

My opinion exactly. I was delighted with the away draw when it came up, and my first thought when they scored was "fuck, more money down the drain". In all honesty, I'm fucking sick of going to home games. I enjoy the league games, cos there's no money coming out there and then, but the rest, Jesus.

Before the game, yes. But with 5 mins left, with the opposition down to 10 men we should have seen it out, also missed a few decent chances apparently. Fair enough, but i'd sooner we fucked up and have another shot at it than go out. On the other hand, I'd sooner go out than get an injury or two in the replay then see a group of fatigued players lose to West Ham and haul us back into a relegation scrap.

Ok, given the circumstances thrown up during the game, can we not agree at least that it was NOT a good result then? That said, as Roeder notes, "It gives our supporters a night out and they love the cup as everyone knows in Newcastle". :celb2: They are top of the Championship and at home. We are 6 places above them and away and decimated by injuries. In that context, it could have been a hell of a lot worse. It is disappointing seeing as we were so much on top in the second half, but there were quite a lot of our mob playing today who would struggle to get into Birmingham's first team. And ps, O'Brien was far more effective on the left in the second half than Luque would have been imo. Fair enough if you think Luque's shite, but I don't see how you could possibly say O'Brien was "far more effective" than he would have been. Even if Luque lost the ball with every touch, O'Brien simply ballooned it into the crowd every time he got it. That's not "far more effective" than anyone would have been, it was just very poor. A draw at the start of play would have been annoying, but a draw under the circumstances is unacceptable imo. If we'd had even the slightest idea of how to hold onto a lead this season, we'd be knocking on the Champions League door, and to throw it away yet again - at the last against ten men against an understrength Birmingham - is not on.

Has he really said that? :wullie: He can fucking pay for me to go then.

Funny isn't it? The way some go on, you'd think Shay Given was actually Kenny Baker's little brother. Les Ferdinand was only 5'11".

7 pages, ridiculously large? Jesus fucking Christ. :roll: At which point is it a mod's responsibility to close a thread which is getting too big for your liking and start a new one? One page? Five pages? Perhaps we should have a new thread for every single post eh? And yes, that is where it's going. Tough fucking shit.

In what way is losing a lead to force a potentially disastrous replay with 5 minutes to go against a 10 man Championship side not a bad result?

Liverpool should be given this game by default - Justice for the 96.

I think people were making the point our best midfield was a combination of Butt and Emre rather than either of the two being paired with Parker... We were dominated because Butt is average going forward and Pattison is no better than a Champioship player himself... Pattison was on the left first half, he can't hold responsibility for the domination of central midfield. I think people have a good point when they talk about a stronger midfield with Emre and Butt, but it's got to a stage now where when we lose with Parker, we get a thread about how shit he is and how much worse we are with him, when we win without him, we get exactly the same and when we do well with him, he gets blamed for a goal or anything that'll make him look bad (last week against Man Utd being a perfect example). Our problems go a lot deeper than Scott Parker, but some people would have you believe otherwise.

By the way our midfield got totally dominated today by a Championship side (when they had eleven men), whose fault was that? I've been led to believe that our midfield is always excellent when Scott Parker doesn't play.

West Ham could have half a new squad by then, man. There's no excuse for not beating a shower like Birmingham either but here we are.

What's worse is that West Ham is a 100% absolute must-win game. And now we have to play midweek. Absolutely fucking sick.

Hartlepool's run at an end with a 1-1 draw at Shrewsbury, still, 28 points out of a possible 30 is not too bad! First goal conceded in over 900 minutes too.

That was ridiculous. All the country has seen now is Liverpool fans on about Hillsborough... again... in January. Do themselves no favours.