Wullie

What game was that after? Fulham, his home debut, his second game and having just returned from injury.

I hate how if we get a throw in deep in our own half, the opposition will pack the corner so they can try and nick it in an already dangerous position, but when the opposite happens, we just let the buggers take it and put no pressure on whatsoever.

NUFC.com: An awful performance at Craven Cottage saw us limp to our first league defeat of the season as Fulham ended up comfortable wiiners. ...ok then.

Just like to remind everyone what NUFC.com said about him.

I also don't think any of our defenders are good enough, but Taylor and Huntington have time on their side yet (Edgar's looked canny, but not played enough to make any sort of comment, and Gooch is exempt), whereas Bramble should be at his peak and should have cut simple mistakes out a long time ago. We'll have to agree to disagree on what causes the mistakes, yes of course being disorganised will lead to more of them, but the kind of things Bramble has a reputation for are little to do with that imo. Do you really believe failing to control a simple pass in dangerous territory today was because of a disorganised defensive unit? Gifting the ball to Crespo, to Kluivert, to Bent, to Tainio, the Henry air-kick, I could go on, I feel he's not good enough, never has been and never will be. That doesn't mean to say that I think the rest of them are any/much better. Why is it you give Bramble such a defence, but don't appear to extend the same courtesy to the likes of Ramage and Taylor?

I've been having this argument with my mate for years. He reckons Boro are the worst team in the league for taking shit throw-ins and losing possession, I reckon we are. I've got some nice evidence to show him tonight.

We'll do well to hang onto him, doesn't surprise me that Chelsea were reported to be sniffing. The boy's a total class act imo. Small they both may be, but him and Owen have the potential to be absolutely deadly in a side playing the right game.

indi, you are right when you say our defensive coaching is shocking, our defending of corners has reached a new low this season, but Bramble doesn't just make mistakes like being in the wrong place at the wrong time, he makes fundamental errors that lead to chances - Helguson's today being a prime example. All he had to do was control a simple pass, he couldn't even manage that. He could have the best defensive coach in the world and the best defensive partners in the world - none of that will stop him making errors like today's. That he got away with it shouldn't disguise the fact that it could, and should, have cost us. He hasn't done this once or twice, he's done it consistently throughout his NUFC career - not just situations where you say "could/should have done better" but ones where he essentially gives a goal to the opposition. When he's good, a situation increasingly rare, he can be very good, possibly better than anyone else we have (not that that's saying much) but when you've got a defender who is ALWAYS at huge risk of simply giving the ball to a striker 30 yards from goal, he's a liability.

Get in Thierry, son!

Very clever from Yakubu, negligible contact yet he knows the ref has to give it, bastard. Viduka was very lucky to stay on the field for throwing the elbow at Toure earlier as well.

Tit. If you're gonna go on about it, at least get the bloody player's name right. EDIT: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=199338&cc=5739 Yellow cards: Butt, Bramble, Milner. Hopeless.

Butt's been superb this season, but today was easily his worst showing of the season. Whether it be Parker and Butt who makes way, we're definitely missing Emre. He's far from perfect and too inconsistent, but he's the only player we have with any creative spark, and his surging runs from midfield are fantastic when they come off. Hope this racism thing blows over so we'll only have the injury to worry about. EDIT: erm, aren't "not at all" and "no different to Butt" pretty much the same thing...?

Good on the ref? Oh well, that makes Bramble a superb defender, he can just give the ball away, pull players down at will and hope to get away with it. Fine. What did you think of Taylor when he pulled down DJ Campbell? Fantastic defending, undone by a cruel ref daring to make the right decision? Or totally stupid? I think Roeder is an idiot, yes, and Bramble is shocking. I suggest you look for my posts about Solano, about Given, about Parker, about Martins, about Milner, about N'Zogbia, about Emre and about a number of our players at other times before saying "all I do is unconstructive name calling". I even said Carr, who I despise, and Bramble played ok against Villa. Just see what you want to see though.

I was the original. 8)

I think he's had a reasonbly good game, but people are jumping on that one moment of poor composure that forced him into a foul that, had distance to goal been shorter, may have been viewed as denial of goal scoring opportunity and a send-off. Pretty typical - a solid game for 89 minutes and one or two frightening moments. typical bramble, fairly decent match with two moments of madness. simply can't afford to have someone in the team who makes huge errors in every match, regardless of how well their general play is. Exactly. Indigo, you make yourself look a bit daft defending him constantly imo. "Meaningless free kick" - If he doesn't foul Helguson, he's 1 on 1 with Harper having given the ball away. It's hardly an isolated incident from the useless twat either. Sorry, but no. What's daft is the sad sad sad need of nearly everyone on here to jump on the bandwagon and scapegoat particular players if things go wrong, regardless of whether or not it was anything at all to do with them. NOTHING that Bramble did today lead to us losing that game, we lost because of a stupid backpass from Nicky Butt and because Carr got raped all game and that's it. Sorry if that doesn't fit with what people want to believe but that's the truth. You lot can believe it or not, frankly I could give a shit really. You know what, I hope they do get rid of Bramble, because when we continue to be disorganised at the back, I'll have the satisfaction of knowing that I was right and you lot were clueless!! Anyway, bollocks to this, I'm off to watch the end of the rugby, see you later. No hard feelings? Its a lost cause indi. I gave up ages ago. I have even posted stats that proved we let in 9 goals in 13 games with Bramble in the team and 25 in the following 13 without. I asked what happened for the second goal and was told the Fulham player breezed past 3 of our players and THEN past Bramble but its not the first 3 players fault its Brambles. Without watching the game in person or on TV I will reserve judgement until later. I thought if we are to blame individuals it would be Butt and Carr. As for Wullie calling him a useless twat I can`t take that seriously coming from a skinny boy with glasses holding a cat. The second goal was the fault of Carr, so I don't know who's blaming Bramble. Bramble should have been sent off for a foul on Helguson, who was clear on goal after Bramble gave him the ball 30 yards out. The fact that the referee let him off doesn't change the fact he's a constant liability, always likely to make a total balls-up. Couldn't really give a stuff what you think of me tbh. You just make yourself sound like a prat with comments like that imo.

Except that even when Zog is back, Roeder'll still make Duff first pick. Still holding out some faint hope that Duff will remember how to play, but want to see Zog return as well. Charlie was pretty poor before his injury, 2nd season (or whatever) syndrome maybe, but he still done far better than Duff He was, aye, but he was in and out of the team and half the time being bumped into central midfield because of Duff. He was awesome against Portsmouth at home though, looked like coming back to his best.

I think he's had a reasonbly good game, but people are jumping on that one moment of poor composure that forced him into a foul that, had distance to goal been shorter, may have been viewed as denial of goal scoring opportunity and a send-off. Pretty typical - a solid game for 89 minutes and one or two frightening moments. typical bramble, fairly decent match with two moments of madness. simply can't afford to have someone in the team who makes huge errors in every match, regardless of how well their general play is. Exactly. Indigo, you make yourself look a bit daft defending him constantly imo. "Meaningless free kick" - If he doesn't foul Helguson, he's 1 on 1 with Harper having given the ball away. It's hardly an isolated incident from the useless twat either. Sorry, but no. What's daft is the sad sad sad need of nearly everyone on here to jump on the bandwagon and scapegoat particular players if things go wrong, regardless of whether or not it was anything at all to do with them. NOTHING that Bramble did today lead to us losing that game, we lost because of a stupid backpass from Nicky Butt and because Carr got raped all game and that's it. Sorry if that doesn't fit with what people want to believe but that's the truth. You lot can believe it or not, frankly I could give a shit really. You know what, I hope they do get rid of Bramble, because when we continue to be disorganised at the back, I'll have the satisfaction of knowing that I was right and you lot were clueless!! Anyway, bollocks to this, I'm off to watch the end of the rugby, see you later. No hard feelings? Course not mate.

you know everything Simon Another great poster from you Nobby, you old dog you... you mean post. a poster is something you stick to your wall with blue-tack little boy Put a cork in it you two. Now, I meant, if you wouldn't mind.

Duff is garbage, has been since he arrived. I'm looking forward to CN'Z coming back as much as I am Owen.

you know everything Simon Another great poster from you Nobby, you old dog you... you mean post. a poster is something you stick to your wall with blue-tack little boy Put a cork in it you two.

Thanks Glenn, you fucking mong.

Didn't know anything about this, we're still on the good old tickets. Wonder how this will affect gates. Loads of seats around me rotate who sits in it, and you'll see the same bloke four or five times a season. If people can't sell their ticket on, they might just not bother.

No offence nufc_4_life, but I find it utterly amazing how managers say things and people buy it so easily, like what they're saying is the easiest thing in the world. This thread is a good example: http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=35783.0 Says he's modelling himself on Wenger and people think that's a brilliant thing! Well, I'll just model myself on Pele shall I? I'll go down on Monday, get myself a trial and be in the NUFC squad by the Liverpool game. Or Bill Gates, I'll be a billionaire within a year or two, dead easy. Talk is cheap. He'd have been better off thinking about who he wanted to sign two transfer windows ago.

And yet we had Carr and Bramble playing the other night, as well as Taylor, who has been playing Premiership football for three seasons. Huntington was the only real inexperience against Villa, and we conceded two goals from corners (ok, one was disallowed but only because of a referee trying to correct a mistake rather than any infringement). Villa also hit the post from a corner and we had to cope with at least two more crazy goalmouth scrambles in the first half following a corner.