Wullie

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll score 4/5/6 tomorrow.

The club's not worth 300m. Huh? My point is this: why would a company with 100 million in debt and posting yearly losses be MORE valuable to a prospective buyer than one (same assets) with no debts and posting a 20 million or so yearly profit? Can see your point but I think the key to this is that it has always been assumed that Ashley would aim at least to get back what he had spent on the club. So say he spent £140 million buying it and then put another £110 in as loan, he's out of pocket by £250 million. So if he's selling the club then the assumption is he's want that sum (at least) for the club to cover his costs. On the other hand if he ever manages to recover all of the debt out of the clubs cash flows then he would only be out of pocket by £140 million. So if he sold the club at that point for say £200 million he's made a £60 million profit overall. And potentially therefore the asking price for the club could be less without the debt. I don't know if that helps... He could, say in 5 years have the debt cleared by running us on the bare minimum...Once its all paid off, why sell? Could be a nice little earner and free sponsorship for his flagship company. The club (business) has paid for itself and is now passing profit his way without having to do much. The next TV deal will only get bigger imho...BT are going to push sky and with the economy slowly picking up it could be a good earner for Ashley. He could be here 20 years or more. I've been saying that for a while. If you have a business earning you twenty mil a year, why would you get rid? The sale value would massively go up. My point exactly. A profit making advertisement vehicle for his primary concern, and as if that's not enough, he gets to take the piss out of us, who dare(d) call him names. With more money coming into the game, the asking price will only go up as lins as we're in the Premiership, hence our obvious "ambition".. Again, if he really wanted to use the football club to advertise his brand, wouldn't a successful football club be a much better advert? That's the reason the bigger brands tend to pay big money to the more successful clubs. In proportion to the amount of money he thinks he'd need and the lack of guarantee of success? Nah.

Its on average an extra £15-18m every season for 3 seasons. Take that off the debt and the club could probably be bought for a minus £200m outlay, much more likely. It's more than that, if you finish bottom of the league, it's an extra £23m on top of what the bottom club received last season, if you finish top, around £40m extra.

Last year's accounts said that this summer he was due to take £18m out. Whether he has or not remains to be seen.

I'm of the opinion at this point that for all the talk of formation, tactics, coaching, personnel (all a problem nonetheless), our main problem by far is a psychological one. God knows it must be like in that dressing room listening to him every day, talking them down, telling them how tired they must be, how much better the opposition are. Christ almighty.

Just reads to me like somebody who wants to be a football journalist but doesn't really know enough about it. It's not sincere or well written enough to even give it the time of day.

If he asked me that I'd be bending his ear for hours, how thick are his mates FFS? Fuck me.

Given our current circumstances, anyone who would turn down Ba has a screw loose. Won't happen regardless of course but dear me.

All the other clubs in world football must be missing a trick having someone in charge, they should get Lee Charnley in as a club secretary to sort everything out. Who is this bloke? What experience does he have of running a company worth over £100m? Who ever heard of such a large company without somebody calling the shots day to day? Some people will defend literally ANYTHING Ashley does, it's nauseating.

It really isn't. They perform completely different roles. No matter how much of a cunt you think Llambias was and is, we used to have somebody running the club, you know, arranging pre-seasons, sorting out catering contracts, overseeing the club shop, the box office, how much the fucking pitch costs to lay, all the small and large things that somebody running a Premier League football club does. Now we don't have anyone doing all that. Nobody runs NUFC. Why people insist on comparing his role to the one that the drunken lunatic has apparently been hired to perform is completely beyond me. So what you are saying we didn't have any pre season games, you can't get any bait at the ground, the club shop is closed as is the box office & he's taken the quote for some grass with him back to London? Bollocks isn't it, lets assume nothings being run at all anymore based on absolutely nothing. Also as far as transfers go, shit window so far, but how many times did people here complain about shit transfer windows under Llambias?, the majority of them wasn't it? Based on nothing What are you talking about man? Who is the chairman of Newcastle United?

It really isn't. They perform completely different roles. No matter how much of a cunt you think Llambias was and is, we used to have somebody running the club, you know, arranging pre-seasons, sorting out catering contracts, overseeing the club shop, the box office, how much the fucking pitch costs to lay, all the small and large things that somebody running a Premier League football club does. Now we don't have anyone doing all that. Nobody runs NUFC. Why people insist on comparing his role to the one that the drunken lunatic has apparently been hired to perform is completely beyond me.

We'll be taking the minute's applause concept to a new level at SJP when this old shitbag croaks it.

I'm surprised he can put his trousers on in the morning, the incompetent senile old greaseball.

This is exactly what we should do, unfortunately the manager simply doesn't grasp the concept of building confidence by scoring goals.

What about at home to West Ham?

That's what can happen if you dare to put a keeper under pressure. Even a mistake from Hart is being used to have a go on us. Could we have a thread where mentioning Pardew/Ashley/Kinnear is forbidden? A thread on a Newcastle United forum where talking about Newcastle United is forbidden? Good luck with that. Unlike all of the wannabe Andy Brassels on here, some of us couldn't give the slightest fuck about other clubs and obviously everything comes back to NUFC eventually. Get over it.

This is why I've completely given up on watching football apart from NUFC, and I've not even seen a second of our game yesterday and frankly feel a lot better for it.

If people think some other strikers going to come in and start banging in goals without any service they are in for a rude awakening when he's dropped. Remy might be able to pull goals out of thin air, he's a canny dribbler, but a new striker isn't going to magically transform Pardew's turgid football into slick passing heaven. Totally agree. Some people don't seem to grasp that it's not even solely about service, it's also about things like getting men in the box to create space for a striker. We get fewer men into the box regularly than any top flight team I've seen in years. Your service to the striker could be fantastic but if he's marked by the entire back four, he's unlikely to be able to get near it, never mind put it away.

I've said on here for a long time that I don't believe we do any shooting or finishing practice whatsoever, the regression across the board in these areas is clear.

I hardly think anyone's lamenting his departure, just pointing out that companies worth hundreds of millions of pounds require somebody to run them. Doesn't seem hugely difficult to grasp as a concept.

Nobody is in charge.

It is. Give over man, a Premier League club and multi-million pound company not having anybody in charge is a lot worse than having someone who's an arsehole. Why on Earth people insist on comparing him and Kinnear is beyond me. Llambias was the fucking chairman ffs, by saying Kinnear has replaced him all people are doing is giving credence to the pisshead's lunatic ramblings on the radio that Llambias was the "director of football."

Obviously we were better off with Llambias in charge. That's not even open to question. That's not to say the bloke's not a complete cunt, because he is.

Nice.

I can't even bring myself to get annoyed about things anymore and certainly not individual players. Every single one has had their confidence drained on a daily basis and all their strengths coached out of them.