Wullie

Have you been living in a cave all week, nay all year?

That and the lies they've told to con thousands of people out of thousands of pounds. If you're talking about season tickets, then I thought they were for supporting Newcastle Utd, not Kevin Keegan. I don't remember seeing any promises about the manager in the adverts or letters. If anyone signed up for three years thinking Keegan would definitely be manager throughout that time, they obviously haven't been watching football for very long. I don't think Ashley is blameless at all, but he's not the devil either. No, sorry, season tickets were sold under false pretences. People have paid to watch a team put together by Kevin Keegan, not one put together by the former manager of Swindon Town. If they were so confident of the same amount of people buying tickets regardless, why didn't they just tell the truth: "Dennis Wise will be choosing the players and we won't be spending any money. Now, that'll be £1500 please"? They didn't say Keegan was building the team though as far as I recall. The media tried to tell us it was Wise buying behind Keegan's back but everyone laughed it off as cockney bullshit. Er... what? You said they made a pretense of the team being put together by Keegan. The media told us a completely different story but no-one chose to believe it. Why would I be talking about the media? I'm talking about Newcastle United.

That and the lies they've told to con thousands of people out of thousands of pounds. If you're talking about season tickets, then I thought they were for supporting Newcastle Utd, not Kevin Keegan. I don't remember seeing any promises about the manager in the adverts or letters. If anyone signed up for three years thinking Keegan would definitely be manager throughout that time, they obviously haven't been watching football for very long. I don't think Ashley is blameless at all, but he's not the devil either. No, sorry, season tickets were sold under false pretences. People have paid to watch a team put together by Kevin Keegan, not one put together by the former manager of Swindon Town. If they were so confident of the same amount of people buying tickets regardless, why didn't they just tell the truth: "Dennis Wise will be choosing the players and we won't be spending any money. Now, that'll be £1500 please"? They didn't say Keegan was building the team though as far as I recall. The media tried to tell us it was Wise buying behind Keegan's back but everyone laughed it off as cockney bullshit. Er... what?

I knew this would happen btw. People will have forgotten this in a few weeks and will be back up Dennis Wise's hoop. Well I won't.

That and the lies they've told to con thousands of people out of thousands of pounds. If you're talking about season tickets, then I thought they were for supporting Newcastle Utd, not Kevin Keegan. I don't remember seeing any promises about the manager in the adverts or letters. If anyone signed up for three years thinking Keegan would definitely be manager throughout that time, they obviously haven't been watching football for very long. I don't think Ashley is blameless at all, but he's not the devil either. No, sorry, season tickets were sold under false pretences. People have paid to watch a team put together by Kevin Keegan, not one put together by the former manager of Swindon Town. If they were so confident of the same amount of people buying tickets regardless, why didn't they just tell the truth: "Dennis Wise will be choosing the players and we won't be spending any money. Now, that'll be £1500 please"?

This "action" is a bit wishy-washy anyway tbh. The need is to make ourselves heard and say categorically to Ashley and his lackies: you are not wanted here. Not buying a pie in the ground? It's hardly Tiananmen Square.

That and the lies they've told to con thousands of people out of thousands of pounds.

You'd have been better off starting with a few little hints - "remember how KK used to love a good laugh?"

No there isn't. Apart from anything else, they've lied to the supporters to the tune of over £1000 and there is no going back after that.

The club obviously changed direction when Chris Mort left. Or he was the glue that held everything together? It's been said a few times already but it's no coincidence that things have gone tits up since he left. having all these different roles and levels of hierarchy it would need a calm head to mediate and faciliate the process. can you imagine Mort putting out pathetic statements like the one last night? Which, by all accounts, he was and did. I actually had to check for a minute or two to make sure it wasn't a shit wind-up. I clicked the link but thought it was a fake so I went on to co.uk and found it myself just to be sure. :-[ I never thought it would be possible to top the "seven bells" statement. At least that was harmless though, as well as absolutely hilarious. This ain't.

The comparison straight off the bat with Arsenal is ridiculous. When Wenger came in, he had a quality squad with a very solid spine running through it - a top class keeper in Seaman, the classic Arsenal back four still live and kicking, Dennis Bergkamp, David Platt, Ian Wright, Paul Merson. He was able to build on this and add his own touch to it, that's why he won the league in his first full season. What's our spine? We've got the top class keeper but what's after that? Steven Taylor? Give me strength.

An Italian passport. You just know the same people swooning over yet another Chelsea yes-man with no qualifications would turn their nose up at Alan Shearer.

Why would people take him then? Because he has a foreign name? Fucking hell.

systems, systems, systems. At the end of the day, whether or not a club wants to have a DOF [ie a glorified head scout and a job that someone like Arthur Cox could have done perfectly well] or not, a manager has the right, [and in any club at all that wishes to be a professionally organised club], to choose the people he wants to work with and do his scouting for him. Ooh Leazes, it's good to be back on the same side, it's almost like having Souness back.

Placate fans. What, with Gianfranco Zola? Aye righto.

Exactly. He was told (like us) that no price was too high, he said this when he took over. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he enquired about those players. But look at a player like Richard Dunne - we made a profit on this transfer window, we could easily have said on deadline day "Right Kev, we want to sign this lad Xisco, going to be class, we're also going to get Dunne from City £6m, Warnock from Blackburn £5m and a replacement for Milner (let's say Malouda for the sake of argument since the German didn't fancy it). You happy with that?" but no. Too much money apparently. The "team" have seemed completely shut on the idea of compromise - if there were two lists, some players from one list, some from the other, that's the way it should have worked. Keegan's been more than open to it, praising Colo and Jonas to the heavens through the summer but being ignored on what he wants other than Guthrie because he cost peanuts. As I also said in the other thread, Jonas is 25, Colo 26, Gonzalez a 26 year old loanee... if they're wanting young players to develop, they've not exactly made a very good job of it. Not so much about development as resale - Jonas is probably worth £10m already. Tidy profit, get in, that'll force us up the league.

It's here: http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=55867.0 but is also being discussed in the main KK thread. Everything's a bit of a mish-mash at the moment as you can imagine. I'll cut this one off, feel free to bump the other one though. EDIT: sod it. Merged.

Don't get me wrong, there probably are some people who have posted that but I think it is a very small minority.

I've missed the point of your logic as well Indi. You seem to be aiming at people who say Keegan knew nothing about a director of football when he was hired. I say very few people think that at all.

Difference with Shep and Hall was they hired so many shit managers that when they did kick them out, yes everyone was fucked off with another shambles but also glad they didn't have to watch Graeme Souness football anymore. Only exception was SBR but most people did feel (after Wolves) that his time should probably come to an end there amicably, but the manner and the timing with which it was done was very poor. This, on the other hand, is a whole different ball game. Everyone was on a high after the first few weeks and to have it just ripped away out of the blue is very very hard to take.

By that you only mean he never gets sacked though surely? Buggers off before anyone gets chance to. As a temporary measure he works out well, but after his first spell at Newcastle he didn't stay in any job for a great length of time, did he? Couple of seasons at City being the longest he managed if I remember rightly. Would any of his previous have teams actually sacked him? apart from england I don't know. he has officially resigned from Newcastle, he hasn't been sacked. Anyway, the point of this thread was: will he be in demand by other Premier League clubs now he is available? I think if any of them thought for a second he would actually take the job, some clubs would crawl over broken glass to get a manager like KK.

Aye fair enough. Wouldn't say he ran out of steam with us first time but he certainly does have a major character flaw (for a manager) in that he cares too much but then that's what endears him to everybody so much, not just fans but players and why he's such a good manager. Rough with the smooth I suppose.

By that you only mean he never gets sacked though surely? Buggers off before anyone gets chance to. As a temporary measure he works out well, but after his first spell at Newcastle he didn't stay in any job for a great length of time, did he? Couple of seasons at City being the longest he managed if I remember rightly. That's a good thing surely? Knows when his time is up, doesn't cost anything etc. He left Fulham to take over the England job, that's not really the same as walking away, anyone else would do the same. He was at City for four years, got them promoted and left them as an established Premiership club. His record stands up to any scrutiny. Football is a strange beast whereby walking instead of waiting for a massive payoff seems to be frowned upon. The best managers don't have to do either. What do they do then if they don't walk and they don't get sacked? Kill themselves? No, keep building and rebuilding the team, bringing them on, winning trophies. And die in the job? They leave eventually ffs. Other than Fergie and Wenger, loads of top managers move clubs all the time. He got three clubs promoted, I'd say that was bringing them on. Keegan left City with his head held high. He made it clear he was going to leave at the end of his contract and as often happens (Fergie) he became a lame duck, so left a bit earlier. Nothing wrong with that. He left Fulham to take over at England. Nothing wrong with that. Other than his disputes at Newcastle (and the downward spiral we then entered until Bobby Robson would suggest he was correct first time round), the only time he's actually quit because he was doing a shit job was England.

By that you only mean he never gets sacked though surely? Buggers off before anyone gets chance to. As a temporary measure he works out well, but after his first spell at Newcastle he didn't stay in any job for a great length of time, did he? Couple of seasons at City being the longest he managed if I remember rightly. That's a good thing surely? Knows when his time is up, doesn't cost anything etc. He left Fulham to take over the England job, that's not really the same as walking away, anyone else would do the same. He was at City for four years, got them promoted and left them as an established Premiership club. His record stands up to any scrutiny. Football is a strange beast whereby walking instead of waiting for a massive payoff seems to be frowned upon. The best managers don't have to do either. What do they do then if they don't walk and they don't get sacked? Kill themselves?