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  1. Yeah, fortunatley it isn't up to you. You'd keep a £60kpw player who's never fit on the books for what reason? Thank fuk you are nowt special either.
  2. Id be happy to get Emre off the wage bill. V good player when fit, unfortunately thats a 3 games a year. Glad to hear the positive vibes coming out the camp, especially Martins. Get him signed up for 5 more years and no release clause
  3. Dokko

    Edgar or Taylor?

    Fuk me someone talking sense in an anit-Taylor thread. (PS: It will probably get you banned around here)
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    Edgar or Taylor?

    Have you even seen the game? Edgar was fuking useless for the 1st 20mins, he could have cost us 5 goals easily, good job they were shit or we would have lost because of him. Thought the crowd was excellent though, always back him up ans he grew into the game well enough in the 2nd half.
  5. No, not really, say about 2-300 left before extra time.
  6. After the 3rd went in it started to piss down and NUFC backed off while Reading saw a lot more of the ball. Crowd coasted to the end, but for me at least the first 60mins was mint. Best time i've had at SJP probably in this millennium.
  7. Harper - 6 Beye - 8 Faye - 7 Edgar - 5 Jose Enrique - 8.5 Geremi - 6 Butt - 7 Barton - 8 Martins - 9 - Owen - 7.5 Viduka 7
  8. Footballer 'fixed match to pay off gambling debt of £50,000' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/footballer-fixed-match-to-pay-off-gambling-debt-of-16350000-804512.html How an 'epidemic' of addiction is destroying the careers and lives of some of the game's top players By Nick Harris Friday, 4 April 2008 A footballer with a serious gambling problem has admitted accepting a £50,000 bribe to help throw a game in Britain, The Independent can reveal. According to a source familiar with the circumstances, the player – who has a Premiership club on his CV – racked up a £50,000 debt with a bookmaker. The bookmaker said he would write off the debt if the player got himself sent off and also persuaded three team-mates to get booked in a specific game. The player agreed, and the incidents were fixed as requested. His team lostthe match, which was played in the past two years, the source said. The player subsequently sought professional help for his addiction, and was said to be "ashamed and full of remorse" about what happened. It is not known precisely how the bookmaker profited from the sending-off and bookings, but the assumption is that he either struck or laid "spread bets" relating to the cards, and that the game was at a level significant enough to warrant a sizeable market in this. The suggestion that any match has been fixed – or that significant events within it have been rigged – is a nightmare scenario for football's authorities. It is confirmation that football in Britain is not immune to the corruption that has recently blighted other nations – including Italy, Germany and Poland – albeit with personal addiction as a driving force, as opposed to institutional corruption or large-scale criminal syndicates in those cases. But addiction experts say it is illustrative of a wider gambling problem in society that raises issues for government as well as football's governing bodies. The case was among a number of incidents disclosed privately by several sources at a seminar on gambling at the Sporting Chance clinic in Hampshire this week, seeking to highlight the threat of gambling to football's integrity. Those present included players and former players with personal experience of destructive behaviour caused by addiction. Sporting Chance is Britain's foremost treatment centre for sports people with addictive illnesses. Its chief executive, Peter Kay, declined to confirm any specific details about the player who engineered the red card and who The Independent understands was treated at Sporting Chance. Mr Kay said all the cases that the organisation handles were confidential. "Neither I nor Sporting Chance is responsible for what a client or ex-client might say, but if you're asking whether I'm aware of this case, the answer is yes," he said. Pressed for further details about the "fixed" match, he said: "It doesn't matter if it is a Premiership player or a Conference player, quite frankly. It highlights that addiction of any sort can lead a person to take grave actions, possibly even attempt suicide." One source at the seminar described a recent suicide attempt by a lower-division player who had a £37,000 gambling debt. Suicide attempts among problem gamblers are not unusual. Another source said they knew of current players – including some in the Premiership - who are fighting cocaine addiction without the knowledge of their clubs. There is an anecdotal link between cocaine and gambling among patients in rehab, according to Dr Henrietta Bowden Jones, one of the experts who addressed the seminar. Dr Bowden Jones is a consultant psychiatrist and expert in substance misuse, and is the official spokesperson for the Royal College of Psychiatrists on matters pertaining to pathological gambling. She has worked with footballer addicts at a private London clinic, and has also referred players to Soprting Chance, founded by the former Arsenal player Tony Adams. "You heard [in the seminar] from three speakers [all former players, unrelated to the "fix" case] about how lives and careers are destroyed, and how drastic decisions are made when someone is in the grip of addiction," said Mr Kay. "I don't believe the card business is widespread. But it has happened, yes, to my knowledge on several occasions." Mr Kay first talked of an "epidemic" of gambling among footballers two years ago in an interview with The Independent. He stands by that description and has data to support it. In 2006, Sporting Chance dealt with about 30 footballers with addictive illnesses, gambling included. New referrals in the past year are twice that figure. Mr Kay believes the increase is partly due to awareness of a problem within the game, and players' greater willingness to seek help. Though problem gambling is an issue for society at large, footballers seem to be disproportionately represented. A government study last year – the 2007 Gambling Prevalence Survey – estimated that 0.6 per cent of Britain's adults are "problem gamblers". That should equate to about 24 problem gamblers in English football among about 4,000 professionals. But experts believe the real figure could be 10 times that number, equivalent to two or three players per club. Football's authorities have shown contrasting attitudes to gambling. In a survey of players conducted by The Independent in 2000 in association with the Professional Footballers' Association (PFA), more than a third of players said they bet on football, which at the time was against Football Association rules. Five players said they had been invited to "throw" a match, although all said they declined. But the FA subsequently relaxed its rules to outlaw bets only on games in which a player was involved, or could influence. On the flip side, the FA is an active supporter – and funder – of programmes that educate players, especially young players, and provides help to those in trouble. The FA partially funds Sporting Chance, with the PFA the other major backer. No player has been declined treatment, and the provision of care for troubled players – paid for by the PFA and the FA – is not in doubt. But there is intense debate about whether the game should take a concerted approach towards preventive education, using expert agencies. Within the Premier League, for example – the richest branch of football's family, and the league with the most to lose through any tarnishing of its image – there is a theoretical obligation to provide education, including on addiction, to young players. But in practice, central funding for specialist agency assistance remains largely untapped, and there are wide disparities about the level of education provided. A wake-up call that games are being fixed might force the pace of change. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wenger - Ban cheats for life http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3384844,00.html Gunners boss wants wrongdoers to pay for their actions Arsene Wenger has called for anyone found guilty of taking a bribe to be thrown out of the game. The Arsenal boss was speaking in the aftermath of a story in Friday's copy of The Independent which revealed that an unnamed player agreed to get himself sent off in order to settle a £50,000 gambling debt with a bookmaker. The story also claimed that three of the anonymous player's team-mates were coerced into getting themselves booked as part of the deal. Wenger feels that it is reports such as this which are tarnishing the image of the game, and is adamant that the Football Association must stamp down on those involved if it emerges that the incident took place in an English fixture. Surprised "It is surprising news and very bad news," Wenger said. "I am convinced that if it is proven they should be banned for life. "I believe that the most important thing is that our game is clean. "I can't believe it has happened in the Premier League but, if it has, there is no excuse for a player to do that." Responsibility Wenger was also keen to point out that he does not believe that there is a big gambling problem among professional footballers. "If one player has done that you have 99.9 per cent of players who have never done it," he said. "But you have to convict the one player who has done that. "It's not down to human nature, everyone has to stand up for their own acts and take responsibility for what he is doing." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Praying to god its nowt to do with us. Bad one person cheating, but the fact he's managed to get 3 other players to help him really is taking the piss
  9. Couldn't help but laugh a little when i heard, but i do feel for him, not them though. Playing woody through the pain barrier (according to MJ) is asking for trouble, now they have no real choice and will end up knacking him no doubt.
  10. Fuking cunt. MASSIVE away goal.
  11. Nil But i think there is something wrong with the sound, i can hear the Arsenal fans singing.
  12. Didn't think Fenerbache were all that good... Drogba on the bench is a fucking frightening prospect I'd imagine. It gives them the chance to change systems if it's going tits up, plus he's always likely to make something out of nothing. Capable on their own turf, and with Chelsea imo not firing on all cylinders, i just don't think Chelsea are potent enough to beat them. Another thing with Drogba, he'll be well pissed off to be on the bench, can't see him coming on and giving his all, he's a moody fuker when not treated right (and he hates Grant anyway) That's fair enough. Didn't realise he didn't get on with Grant either. Don't tend to take much notice of them when we're not playing them. Well its not a point anymore if Drogba is starting! Is Anelka still playing? Not sure but they've just scored! Who? Told you they'd win!
  13. Didn't think Fenerbache were all that good... Drogba on the bench is a fucking frightening prospect I'd imagine. It gives them the chance to change systems if it's going tits up, plus he's always likely to make something out of nothing. Capable on their own turf, and with Chelsea imo not firing on all cylinders, i just don't think Chelsea are potent enough to beat them. Another thing with Drogba, he'll be well pissed off to be on the bench, can't see him coming on and giving his all, he's a moody fuker when not treated right (and he hates Grant anyway) That's fair enough. Didn't realise he didn't get on with Grant either. Don't tend to take much notice of them when we're not playing them. Well its not a point anymore if Drogba is starting! Is Anelka still playing?
  14. Nice old SSN's saying 150% deffo that Anelka starts and Drogba benched.
  15. Didn't think Fenerbache were all that good... Drogba on the bench is a fucking frightening prospect I'd imagine. It gives them the chance to change systems if it's going tits up, plus he's always likely to make something out of nothing. Capable on their own turf, and with Chelsea imo not firing on all cylinders, i just don't think Chelsea are potent enough to beat them. Another thing with Drogba, he'll be well pissed off to be on the bench, can't see him coming on and giving his all, he's a moody fuker when not treated right (and he hates Grant anyway)
  16. Very surprised if Chelsea win. They've gone with the sentimental option of Anelka against his old team with Drogba on the bench. I can see it either costing them the match or winning it, but with Drogba scoring and Anelka struggling i think its a mistake.
  17. Arsenal 0 Liverpool 1 Fener 2 Chelsea 1
  18. I haven't seem him make mistakes like Bramble for a good few years now. Seems to have grown out of them and become a solid dependable player, I don't think right back is his best position and he probably knows that Ferguson will bring in a replacement right back if Neville doesn't return. Still makes them but you are right, nowhere near as frequent of late and i can bet my house on he'd make more of them when he comes here, its almost a certain, but he does recover and he does get over it. Easily good enough for us, and a KK type player imo.
  19. Brown in a good team playing well should be a good player. He does make mistakes, like a high class Bramble, but he very rarely gets punished for them and he's got a bit more about him and can recover from them both at the time and most certainly mentally. £60kpw rejected though at a club he loves? Is he that desperate for 1st team football even though he's basically 1st choice now even if it is through selection. I'd be quite happy to get proven EPL defenders like Brown and Dunne in while taking chances on the flair players from the continent and beyond.
  20. Don't know about you but I'm more bothered than anything about what our players do on the pitch, clearly their lifestyles off the pitch mean more to you. So dragging the good name of the club through the crap and being the worst of role models means nothing to you then? The what?
  21. I wonder how much we could get Dunne for if he refused to sign a new deal? Yes over 28's can leave their clubs by buying out their own contracts, problem is, only applies to foreign clubs so we can't go for him, same as no English club could go for Lampard or Owen. £4m? Almost treble what they would receive if he moved abroad.
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