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Just to add, those promoted from Championship needed to invest heavily to stand a chance to survive. Which, by the rulebook, is pushing them to violate the PSR rules. Nottingham took the risk and even though they are playing the marginal game, they are far superior then the likes of Ipswich and Soton, who are not dare to spend and simply stand no chance for the survival battle. The PSR rules is ruining the promotion / relegation system as well. It needs to be completely taken down. Man City is not angel but these rules are fucking Satan

Wait until the small clubs realize the current system in fact would not benefit them and would instead make them become Everton / Leicester City / Villa, forcing them to sell players for peanuts in other to escape from penalty I am pretty sure back at 2021 Everton and Villa were those voting for the rules in order to stop us from being competitive. After three years they knew they have been fooled. If Crystal Palace got relegated this season, suffering from a huge loss of income, they will change their stand in the future as well. The PSR rule is simply unsustainable

I am wondering whether the upcoming voting would be another case subject to Man City’s legal challenge since it is initiated by EPLs statement which Man City lawyer regarded as “far from truth”, aka misleading. Man City got my full support anyway, as long as it can blown away the cartel shit

Yep, exactly what I mean. No way EPL has to resources to challenge so many deals. Say we sign a new shirt sponsor deals worth 40m, just 15m more than Sela, how is it “feasible” for EPL to challenge?

I sincerely hope he is still here after Xmas. We need three points

I find it funny when one of the Saudi Arabia’s intention of buying us is to compete with Abu Dhabi’s Man City, after seeing how successful they have been raising their profile and reputation and now the EPL is so shit that they two decided to become allies at the moment

I think the FA guys will continue to go that route and secretly sending CV everywhere targeting to quit within 6 months, leave the shit to those staying behind

So do we have 7 clubs hold together to stop the proposed new changes? Man City, us, Aston Villa, Leicester City, Nottingham Forest, Everton? Did I miss someone?

Only Everton would be massively hit by the notional interest added to PSR, assuming the annual rate around 5%. For Arsenal it’s just 12.5m per year - it’s easy.

I think the only good thing to us is the burden of proof of APT now lies with the EPL, which means whenever they want to challenge our sponsor deals it will likely go to court and thus incur a lot of legal fees that they likely cannot do it every time. We should have better sponsor deals coming which helps a bit For the ownership loan interest, the impact is not that big if the club can simply change it from loan to equity interest. For some clubs with multiple owners that might be troublesome. It won’t be big enough to scrap the whole PSR However, I think a lot of still yet to come. What we don’t know is how this first ruling affects the other 115 charges. Finger crossed

I just got a question, re the shareholders loan. So if it’s deemed to be RPT, and notional interest should be calculated and added to the equation, could the clubs get around it by changing it into capital injection / direct donation to the club?

believe it or don’t.

I just wonder how much would be the transfer fees if we need to find someone to replace Burn, and on what level of wages

Not really. Within most companies, usually, it’s the working level that is able to grasp the in depth details instead of the managements. Probably around 50% of the management personnel is redundant. They may have their own networking, they might be good at relationship management, but they might not be really good at the aspect or area they are looking after Too many managers, too little workers. That’s a common problem in working organisations nowadays. If you have followed the gaming industry, Ubisoft is probably the latest example I could think of. Top level investment banks have their own ranking system and database re all the management level personnel / directors / CEO etc.

I mean it looks great that we designed a little window for us to react if Bruno’s clause was not triggered - but the reality is we shouldn’t face that life-saving 7 days in the first place.

Currently I don’t have high hopes on the revenue side because obviously the club is waiting for the Man City case Gordon should never be considered as an option, and that shows how desperate we were at end of June. To be honest I don’t understand why the club made that enquiry - if Gordon is the only last option, I would take the 6 points penalty. I know many won’t agree but I would take that penalty over Minteh as well. By having a better RW, not only we could have 6 points more, we could also retain an asset that we could sell in the future. I understand as a fans we all want to have immediately success and, we should have the best squad available right now by all means. Taking Joelinton and Barnes over Anderson and Minteh looks justified. The problem is, what about next season? What if we are unable to finish Top 6? Do we still have enough PSR capacity to improve or revamp the squad? or we can only rely on deteriorating players as we are still suffering from amortizing loss? Other than Gordon, Bruno or Miley, who else can we sell at that time? Is the sales proceeds enough for raising PSR capacity or it’s just enough for meeting the requirement or that would be the league points penalty again? There are fucking lot of PSR questions hanging above the clubs head. What I see is people didn’t realize how disastrous our future would be (long term), and keep on asking the club to pull the trigger now (short term). I don’t know it’s experience or lack of patience or what. We won’t be Leeds because we have the richest owner in the world, but under PSR we could be facing 4-5 years of rebuilding process, starting from the bottom half of the table again. I don’t know what PIFs plan is but I guarantee this is not within their original plan. Whether this is fine to you I don’t know. Not to me.

The problem I find it interesting, amazing, or even amusing, is that many people didn’t realize this is a fucking gamble the club should never take. It is essentially spending in advance. The club should not assume that Bruno’s clause will be triggered and use that as the “hope” to fulfill the PSR gap. This is 100% mismanagement. We shouldn’t spend that much last summer, or we should sell Joelinton instead of giving an extension. Whatever. And, if Bruno stays, great. If he left, we should use that 100m and our scouting database to get our next Bruno. It’s like people applauding someone for putting out the fire at the last minute, ignoring the fact that it’s that guy who set up the fire at the first place. How can you give credit to the club/management and say the fire sales is great piece of business?

Sometimes people should think about what is “long term” and what is “short term” for the club, and what is risk management, and also what the club should do before making such a controversial decision. Great piece of business? Sounds like we should glad that we are forced to have a fire sale at June? And even Anderson has firmly established himself as a regular starting eleven in Forest. We sold for what? 10m? Ouch. Jesus.

Great piece of business.

That’s probably our best lineup, just without Botman and Isak. We should be good enough to get 3 points today. Come on lads

To be honest that’s why those organising parties shouldn’t impose that much rules that forced different parties to go the legal tribunal route.

We can also diverse the risk by splitting the budget among a few prospects

I have had a feeling that Howe told the team not to play with 120% effort against poorer teams to prevent injuries.

I was suspecting this for long - Howe reserved the intensity tactic for big games only

Great game, hope that finally lifts the team morale and start to click