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Any good player can adapt if given time. Coloccini is proof of that. Some players need more time than others. Colo was horrible in the first season and was so out of sync it was actually embarassing at times, look at him now. I think most players who are class can adapt. Ramires, Colo, I think even Viana to an extent. He showed glimpses of being a very good player but didn't benefit from being in and out of the team the whole time. I'm not saying we should sign Granero, but I think he could definitely do a job in the PL for the top sides if given time. I think he'd thrive at Arsenal for example.

f***ing Brazil and sponsors man Got to pay for them homecoming players somehow. They do, but they could do it in a classier manner

You can't put them being a relegation side down to him though. Bassong was excellent for us in his first season here and we were still relegated. I agree that Cesar and Remy are probably their two best players, but I think Granero hasn't been given a real chance and in the beginning of the season he showed real class. Ever since Harry came into the side he really hasn't gotten a lot of playing time, but in the beginning of the campaign he was one of the few bright spots in that team.

I don't agree, he's a very good player. Not a world beater but would definitely do the job for a team competing for a Europa League and CL spot.

http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/1E/E42B51E841DD4DDFEB75411AEB2E7_h498_w598_m2.jpg That's the kit btw. I quite like the home kit.

Fucking Brazil and sponsors man

Think the wages would be a problem. Not if we get rid of Shola. He must be on like £50 million a day. Get Anderson in, he can solve the finance. Genius that he is.

(at Phil Jones face)

Is Granero realistic? How would he work with Sissoko and Cabaye? Would it leave to much of a gap behind?

He's a forward he's just not a striker.

You're aware that they are 3p away from their total point tally last season? I'm aware that they will almost certainly fail to qualify for Europe, and are doing so despite having the freedom of also failing in every cup competition. Oh most definitely but like I said, they are still in a transition phase and while I fucking despise the club almost as much as Sunderland (since I don't get this rivalry that you living in Newcastle do) I can't say this season has been worse than others for them. In my opinion they are on the right track, under Dalglish they were horrible and if Rodgers can limit making terrible signing at high cost like he did in the summer and if he can keep hold of Agger and Suarez I see no reason to not believe they will be competing with the likes of Arsenal and Tottenham in two years time. Their biggest problem is incosistency at the moment.

You're aware that they are 3p away from their total point tally last season?

From my point of view and from the little I've seen of Liverpool he is definitely imposing his style of play into the club. They have been passing the ball around quite nicely and aren't exactly as direct as I'd expect them to be.

Same. I do believe he might be frustrating on his bad day as he doesn't have any qualities that outshines the other, he's just an all around very good player.

Liverpool had their worst season in an age last season & still got to 2 cup finals. True, but I don't see them challenging for the title or even breaking into the CL places, especially with Gerrard on the wane and the prospect of losing Suarez. If they can keep Suarez you have to believe they can reach a CL spot.They have a manager who imposes his style of football no matter what it takes and he is actually making the club a good team again. Can't stand them personally but you have to give credit to Rodgers for believing in his philosophy and staying with it during the bad transition phase they had in the beginning. Unlike our manager who probably doesn't know what a football is.

I'll take that into consideration and who knows what happens

Rafael has been the worst. Anderson is he playing? Because if he is he is clearly the best

Unfortunately he's not a good manager.

Not signed his first "proper" contract yet has he? If so I can't imagine he will be on much. Indeed, not much if his kitchen gives us owt to go on.

Maybe I am extreme, that's me but even I said leave off him till the end of the season. The only thing that would convince me to keep him on for next season is winning the Europa which isn't going to happen. For me he ranks alongside Allardyce & Souness only he has a bit more style, suave and bullshitting abilities. He's not as self centred as Allardyce i'll give you that as well, but personalities aside and concentrating fully on the football, very little separate these plums and what I cannot understand it the board over this while they sack one at great cost, they give the other a daft contract, maybe they too are sold on his diet of bullshit and deflection abilities, I just know i'm not. f***ing hell i hadn't realised opinions on Pardew were this bad. We finished 5th last season and now we want him gone? If you look at all the clubs that consistantly challenge for the top places in the league they are either run by multi multi billionaires or have had a manager that has been at the club at least 10 years. If we want to challenge the top then we need that as well, and if its not pardew then fine, but if the new guy comes in and doesn't shine in his first 12 months then you'll want him gone too, never mind whether its good for the long term future of the club. I like Pardew as a person and despite a very poor showing this season, I can't see any justification for sacking him as this season has been a massive learning curve for the team. I'd love to keep a manager for 10 years and have that consistency, but the issue I have is with the bit in bold. I personally feel that the team has been direction-less all season and have shown no signs of learning whatsoever. I'm fine with giving Pards more time, but I doubt anything will change by January, and he'll probably get hounded out by then. People seem to forget that we also want him to succeed, it's not that, it's just that the football been served at this club this season is abysmal and actually quite embarassing considering the players we've got and that most of us don't have any faith in him. I'd be more than happy to be wrong this one time (would obviously be the first time as Ramires proved to be a good player and that was the only discussion I drove this far)

That might be a good case, but that still only proves that Pardew is fucking worthless when it comes to offensive play. As for this: Maybe I am extreme, that's me but even I said leave off him till the end of the season. The only thing that would convince me to keep him on for next season is winning the Europa which isn't going to happen. For me he ranks alongside Allardyce & Souness only he has a bit more style, suave and bullshitting abilities. He's not as self centred as Allardyce i'll give you that as well, but personalities aside and concentrating fully on the football, very little separate these plums and what I cannot understand it the board over this while they sack one at great cost, they give the other a daft contract, maybe they too are sold on his diet of bullshit and deflection abilities, I just know i'm not. f***ing hell i hadn't realised opinions on Pardew were this bad. We finished 5th last season and now we want him gone? If you look at all the clubs that consistantly challenge for the top places in the league they are either run by multi multi billionaires or have had a manager that has been at the club at least 10 years. If we want to challenge the top then we need that as well, and if its not pardew then fine, but if the new guy comes in and doesn't shine in his first 12 months then you'll want him gone too, never mind whether its good for the long term future of the club. I like Pardew as a person and despite a very poor showing this season, I can't see any justification for sacking him as this season has been a massive learning curve for the team. 12 months? Pardew has had soon 30 months, and I think what many people worry about is that last season was very obviously down to a lot of individual brilliances at different periods of the season. Personally I don't think it was a lot due to Pardew, he obviously had a hand in it, but I think he's rode a lucky wave of different players surging at different times last season and his past records at other clubs agrees with my opinion.

Don't agree with a lot in that post. First of all, not seeing the larger picture? What in the hell suggests that Pardew will turn this club around? Does he make us play good football? No. Does he win us more games than we draw or lose? No. Is he capable of imposing a style of play instead of changing that after every 90minutes only to revert back to his boring long balls after a while? No. Has he made our team even capable of competing against anyone except key players? No. I'm sorry but to me it seems like you like Pardew too much for me to take your view as balanced. You are blaming lady luck for not being in our side when it's clear that both the Stoke and Reading game Pardew was highly culpable for our losses. Against Reading especially, I haven't witnessed worse substitutions in a competitive game in a long time. Also all teams in this league have a hectic schedule at some point and you just can't blame that. If anything he rested our best players for most of the Europa League campaign and yet blamed our following losses on that. My biggest worry is that after soon 30 months in charge I haven't seen anything from him suggesting he will get us playing beautiful football or have any attack minded tactics set out. For me he is to dependant on individual brilliance and lacks quality as a manager. I don't see this club progressing with him at the helm but obviously hope I'm proved wrong.

9p from last 5 is 13th form.