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Thank god for that as Pirlo is f***ing s***. Time to ignore

You can't be raped if you get 60% possesion off the ball. It's about time English football understand that. Debuchy-Taylor-Colo-Santon Cabaye Sissoko Tioté Marveaux Messi Gouffran = no raping whatsoever EDIT: In that case Messi is Ben Arfa , you need to put your most creative player as a false nine , wich is very well explained in the END of a video called TikiTaka Barcelona analysis you know where.. Well I'm from the Brazilian footballing school and not even there where we don't know tactics have I ever witnessed anyone suggest three at the back but with two fullbacks... The team you put out on the last post is obviously better, but don't see the the 60% ball possession there? I just see an unability to score. Maybe with that team we'd be able to keep the losing figures down a bit at least...

You love that team? What? We'd be raped.

Krul Santon Saylor Mbiwa Haidara Tiote Anita Cabaye Obert Cisse Marveaux Expect something like that. Expect too see Gouuffff score 3 though (obviously ladies in the parking lot).

Absolutely. Colo since he arrived at the club has only had one season where he has been absolute world class and consistent. The Championship doesn't count and for the other seasons at the club he has shown a tendency to have a poor game every here and then. The guy is a top class footballer but like all defenders when there is a lack of help he is prone to have a mistake or so. Look at most top defenders. I mean in the PL, Kompany, Skrtel, Lescott, Ferdinand, Cahill, David Luiz all of them have had one or two costly mistakes. So your argument is an absolute shitfest. Colo has been steady for our last three games. He was nowhere near at fault for the penalty caused by Debuch, or the fact that Perch can't react to a freekick, because let's be honest here, a freekick from that range should never go in when hit at that height. It wasn't a very good freekick and it still went in. And for the 2nd goal both our CBs were at equal amount of fault, so based on that logic Streete and MBiwa should start since they haven't been bad this season yet.

Eh what? You cannot see a redcard there? What?

Zlatan sent off.

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What a goal! What a goal by Juve.

Paris need to be careful. A goal here from Valencia and I can see them going through. Have really improved in the 2nd half, and are actually risking a bit more which has ended in plenty of chances. Feghouli and Valdez should be on each side of Soldado next game in Paris.

So close from Valdez, how did he miss that?

Was going to say that earlier, was shocked to find out Jonas was actually on the pitch in the first half. Didn't see him touch the ball once.

Looks good tbf. Hadn't seen much from him, but in the first half he was dictating the tempo. Usually starts their attacks although in the 2nd half game has been passing him by a little.

You were talking about brushing aside which is what I reacted at, I think Valencia is the better team now though, but PSG is like I said a typical Ancelotti side and very balanced and the back. I think Valencia might get a goal here since PSG just can't seem to finish their counter attacking movements.

Brushing aside? Terrible tactics with one objective only, counter with their fast guys. The typical Ancelotti team. Whatever you may think of it, Valencia are looking pretty hopeless. And I would say PSG are controlling the game, not just countering. Are you even watching the game? Controlling what way, especially since you're a Barcelona fan you should know. Valencia are pushing on and Paris are countering. Had to check the stats to see if I'm crazy and I wasn't suprised that ball possesion is 63 v 37 in favour of Valencia.

Brushing aside? Terrible tactics with one objective only, counter with their fast guys. The typical Ancelotti team.

Dropout is actually becoming the most annoying poster on here...

No they were brought in by Martinez (at least Diame, McCarthy, McArthur, Moses, Di Santo) were.

I never said a lack resources, I said a lack of attractiveness. As for Swansea he made them what they are, as for Reading they have spent pretty good lately and for Norwich they have had a good run of games which saw them climb the table, but there's no doubt in my mind that they'll be finishing around the bottom of the table along with the likes of Wigan, Reading, QPR and so on.

The key issue there is we have replaced them with far more talented players and we have the ability to attract better players. Also you have to take wages into consideration. There is no way Wigan can throw about the same salaries as we can. Also until a week ago we were behind Wigan, but like I said I think he is trying to implement a style of football that just doesn't work, but which will set a foundation for the club in the future if the next hiring sees the way he does. He never promoted Swansea, but he is still credited for the way they play. I think he's done a very good job at Wigan, if he's good enough to take a team like us to the next level I'll leave unsaid. I just find peoples opinion of him respectable for what he has achieved at Wigan.

I do agree to a certain extent that Martinez is overrated, but not because of the reasons you suggested. Martinez while having some resources has not had the stability to build a foundation of a club. He is trying to implement a type of football which he has proven to have become a successful doing at Swansea. Martinez came into the club having sold Valencia and Cattermole who were integral parts of the Steve Bruce team that finished midtable during his season. He brought in Moses, McCarthy, and Diame all young players at the time and all who have gone on to become good players. He obviously spent quite a lot on couple of players, but a club like Wigan cannot attract the best and he has to try and implement his style of football by buying pretty average players at a higher sum to convince them to join his club. It's not easy to build a team when you every season have to sell your best performer. You then have to go and spend to try and make your team better which isn't always easy. We sold Carroll but got lucky to sign Ba, is that because Pardew is a great manager? Or is it because Carr is a good scout? Or was it because West Ham were dumb enough to give him that contract which let him go for free and we were willing to pay his agents an amazing fee? In other words, I'm somewhere in the middle between this Martinez yes or no question. I just don't find calling him overrated based on evidence of his time at Wigan or the squad he has built good enough. If you don't have a good organizational structure at the club and a great city and fans to support it you will never be the best. Keeping Wigan as a PL team for three seasons now has been a very good achievement. If he would succeed at our club I don't know. What I do know though, is that his team plays one of the more fun styles of football in the league and that is with players such as Caldwell, Beausejour (which he signed after a very good World Cup but has been unable to settle) etc. He is setting a foundation at Wigan, but Wigan as a club can have Mourinho as a manager or Sir Alex for all I care. They will never establish as a top half team in the league. It's hard enough for a club like Newcastle who can attract a lot of good players.

If you can afford the Royal Penthouse Suite then you can afford to pay 22 hookers to come and act it out for you, using lines of cocaine to mark out the pitch and goalposts made of ivory.

Cabayes tackle was terrible, but it wasn't malicious so a retrospective ban would've been terrible. I just think by the time it happened the whole team was sloppy in challenges, possession, we just had no more gas to run on. So his challenge was late, but it wasn't malicious. Those types of tackles happens late in the game, and Cabaye and especially Sissoko looked knackered.

Was pace really our most significant attribute?