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I wondered where this £8.5m people were talking about had come from like

£8.5m isnt a reasonable bid. The lad shits more talent than most of Liverpools players have. Yes the fact he doesn't have a great fitness record is going to reduce any fee clubs are willing to pay. But if he played every game I don't think we'd even listen to offers under £30m. It's no good comparing this with fees for players signed abroad either (Mertens ect), transfers from the Premier League usually have a premium, like it or not. At the end of the day he's our best player, to suggest that £8.5m is a reasonable bid for a 26 year old who's our best player (and still has 2 years on his contract) and in the English market, well I think some of you are on crack personally. I think it would take at least a few more million to be considered a reasonable opening bid. But then again I don't really care what's reasonable from Liverpools perspective. I wouldn't sell him for 3 times what they've offered and I think it'd take something close to that for the club to consider it as well. Seems unlikely they'd go from £8.5m to £25m, which is fine by me because I don't want him sold for anything to be honest.

Pretty hard to tell at this point, he's only been playing first game games for a year and a half, 26 games so far in his career.

Yeah we absolutely have to keep him obviously, I'd lose the plot completely if he's sold. Just the whole "we know he'll keep most of the money" thing is so ridiculous. Not so much as him keeping most of the money. more like not enough money reinvested in time.

Yeah we absolutely have to keep him obviously, I'd lose the plot completely if he's sold. Just the whole "we know he'll keep most of the money" thing is so ridiculous.

Dirty f***er Anyway yeah Gomis instead of Bent. I'd rather take a risk on a player who might be good than buy a player I already know doesn't offer what we need. Goals? He'll only give us goals if we build a team around him and give him lots of chances. At the expense of being a man down, because he does fuck all else. We don't tend to create that many chances with 10 outfield players let alone 9 and frankly us building our side around Darren Bent makes me feel physically sick. He's just not what we need IMO (unless he's a Shola replacement).

Dirty fucker Anyway yeah Gomis instead of Bent. I'd rather take a risk on a player who might be good than buy a player I already know doesn't offer what we need.

Well that isn't actually a fact, let's see if it happens first.

Grass is always greener and all that but Swansea are definitely a (if not the) shining light in how run a PL club so IMO it's totally understandable. I can understand it to a degree. But then again a little over a year ago people were talking about us as one of the shining lights in how to run a Premier League club. Very little money spent on some exciting players picked up by our scouting network. Attacking Football and pushing for a Champions League spot with a manager being talked about as a potential England candidate. Thats what plenty saw and reported looking in from a distance anyway. Little did they know that while some of that was true it wasn't all rosy in the garden. Not suggesting Swansea will bring in a lunatic to undermine their manager or that Laudrup will suddenly become the Danish Pardew. Just that sometimes things aren't quite as amazing as they look from outside and things can also change fast.

But doesn't Ashley also own the holding company? So in essence he owes himself that amount? I'm confused. Bottom line. If Ashley leaves then he can ask for that money back which is putting off potential suitors? Correct? Its not so much about asking for any money owed, he can just ask any fee he wants for the club, I mean he owns it after all. What he paid for the club plus what he's invested (and hasn't yet been repaid) currently comes to somewhere around £250m.

He's a clear downgrade imo. Does even less for the team, has no ability to produce outside the area and is one and a half years older. No its not as bad as signing Carlton Cole, but as anything other than a backup he's still a pretty terrible signing. Unless it's a case of a short term replacement for Cisse if he's determined to leave. Still in that case I'd rather go for a different kind of striker than have to downgrade.

Really?, are you sure? Because I wasnt aware that I wanted that.

Agree with this for the most part. Think we're bargain hunting this summer unless we cash in on Cisse, Cabaye, etc. Its ridiculous and an absolute joke a club of our stature is rummaging in bargain bins and not utilising the extra TV revenue...FFS southampton and swansea have just spent 12.5 and 13m on a player. We should not only be able to compete but outmuscle these teams in the transfer market I have just lost all interest in this football club recently and im just full of apathy.. we all know its going to be a shit season knocked out of both cups early and a few spankings along the way. and the same old shite excuses will be rolled out The extra TV money is due next year. Obviously some clubs are willing to spend what they don't yet have, but for better or worse its been clear forever and a day that Ashley isn't. Not saying we shouldn't be willing to within reason, just so many people seem to believe this extra TV money has already been paid. I think what we spend this summer will come down to whatever revenue we have left for the year after expenses, what players we sell or what bargains come up (think we're always willing to spend something from future revenue if its seen as a bargain).

If this is in reply to my post then yeah I know Bent can score goals. Its the suggestion that Cisse wouldn't that I found idiotic. As far as Bent goes I've always made my opinion on him clear. Excellent finisher, if he gets lots of chances in the penalty area. In every other way he's a millstone around a teams neck.

There was a season under Souness were he made 45 appearances (scored 7 goals..)

You mean sell a striker who misses from 5 yards and replace him with two strikers who can score goals? Fucking might catch on this logic.

New TV cash is next year. As far as net spend since 2006, yeah we're about £3-4m into negative spend.

Well if you mean we're short in some areas then yeah obviously. Just the way you put it read to me like we've got a squad full of shit not capable of playing in this division. I'd say he's got 18, but I still agree with everything else you said.

Oh yeah, it was only Pardews tactical genius that kept this rag tag bunch of Championship Footballers in the league last season after all..

What would backing him properly entail? If you mean allowing Carr ect to bring in more quality players for him, I agree. But if we're talking about allowing Pardew to spend the clubs money on his backward vision for the club then I don't.

I'm saying if we sell Shola than even with Remy and Bent coming in we would need another forward as we would be weak in cover. I don't know like, Cisse, Gouffran and Shola is very weak. But Cisse, Remy, Gouffran and Bent looks far far stronger (Though I suspect under Pardew it'll be Bent and 3 others unfortunately). . Mainly because Shola adds nothing at all, while as a sub even Bent adds something and Remys a quality forward.

Shola?, but why?

Why? You just fancy bloating the wage bill and wasting transfer funds for absolutely no reason? Everyone wants to sign players, but they should be players that improve us, otherwise it's just signings for the sake of it. So far I'd take one player Sunderland have signed, I wouldn't be excited by him in the slightest, but I'd be ok with the signing (talking about Altidore).

Darren Fucking Bent is his number 1 target.. A 29 year old who was deemed not good enough to play for a seriously relegation threatened team desperate for goals last season. A man with less Footballing ability than your average horse. But never mind, he'll score goals if you put them on a plate. We should have no problem doing that with 10 men behind the ball and Ben Arfa on his own fucking goal line for 90 minutes.

Did anyone say it will change? Thought people were just saying our squad of players is of a higher quality than Sunderlands, which I'd agree with.