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Its naughty of Sky to put a Premiership game on Sky Sports 2 and no game on Sky Sports 1

You'll just have to go rafting.

That would be because "The side that won the Championship" is a generalisation which doesn't take into account injuries or suspensions. While tonight is an actual game, which does.

Possibly not this summer, but I can see him moving into coaching sooner rather than later if he can't shake these injuries he keeps picking up. By the summer he'll have under a year left on his contract and he'll be nearly 31. Nobody's going to take him on at 32 so he really only has two choices. Stay here for one more year on 60k a week, sit on the bench all season and then retire. Or leave in the summer to a club where he'll get a game on a two year contract for £30-£35k. The second option is better financially, and for his career so hopefully he'll take it if a club willing to take him for free can be found (IMO there would be).

Carroll out - £35m plus £35k wages (£44.1m) Zog in - £12m plus £50k wages (£25m) Just over half the cash not including any addons to the Carroll deal or the fact that we've shipped out Xisco and Routledges wages (which will have an impact). Also how was it a third of his value?, we sold him for between £6-8m, nobody seems to know exactly, neither is a third of £12m though.

Don't think we can compare our current situation to 2 years ago today. We're much better off this time around, even the terrible points haul from the remainder of that season (11 points from 15 games) would keep us up this time (think we'll finish on around 50 points though). Don't be fucking daft

I feel we've been here before. Not really, he's right this time.

I've ran out of my allocation of Dowie faces and finally gotten sick of reading this kind of nonsense.

Oh that Ashley, he's a fucking genius. He forces Carroll into putting in a transfer request, now he's getting Liverpool to help him in his Machiavellian schemes. Seriously, hope you're taking the piss Dave? "We needed to wait until the transfer had been officially completed before signing any new player" is worth fuck all as an excuse like.

What's your opinion on alien abduction and Area 51?

Epicly shit.

£35m plus addons, no idea what the addons are.

Oh, it's good to know we didn't get beaten by Stevenage. He's responding to the idiots going on about relegation all of a sudden.

Your the mong that said Gosling was the best signing since Shearer. Please log off. Exactly what's wrong with what he's said? I suppose you agree with the lunatics shouting about relegation?

EDIT: Not aimed at you Mick.

That you think selling Carroll is a good deal and that we may see £25million of the money. Have you been in a coma throughout Mike Ashley's tenure at NUFC? We will may see £5 millions, and thats it. Keep fighting against reality lads, keep up the good fight against Ashley no matter what the facts say!

Not saying that sentiment exists, but I wouldn't let Carroll shatter it.. As I said earlier, he's a very good player and I've always supported him simply because he was a Newcastle player. However I've never been under the illusion that he's a nice lad, or even a loyal person.

I'll make my mind up on this one when the money is either spent or not spent. We didn't do much with the Woodgate money and ended up losing our manager who would piss all over the current one. fucking hell man mick - how long before you spot the trend. Would that be the trend that's seen us spend more then we've brought back in from transfers in the Premiership under Ashley?

Its not the order of events I'm arguing with, its the events themselves. Anyone who reckons Carroll was made to put in a transfer request is a lunatic in my book (and that includes that horrible saggy faced contemptuous twat on SSN). But to answer your questions. Obviously yes we've sold our best striker, no I'm not happy but I'm not as suicidal as some on here. All Newcastle fans deserve much better, from Andy Carroll. But as good a player as he is and as much as I supported him because he was a Newcastle player I've never been under the illusion that he's anything but a horrible big headed twat in reality, so it doesn't surprise me that much. Where it puts Ashley's plan is actually totally in Ashley's hands, he can do alot with that money if its spent on the right players. £35m spent on 4 quality players would put us in a much better position then we were with Carroll in the side and no new players. I actually do believe we can progress, but the key will be the summer. The club should no longer be losing big money and we've received £35m for Carroll, so I expect major moves in the summer. Without them I'll lose any belief in Ashley.

agreed Yeah, Carroll wanted to be hated just to save Ashleys ass... Ashley needed to keep the goodwill of fans more than Carol. as carol has left and dosnt need to sell season tickets here. Ashley would have simply said were accepting 35mil- yr getting 80k a week- but we need a transfer request to excuse us. cant see how people cant accept this. Of course, its the least reasonable explanation for the situation and based on nothing but the hatred some people have for Ashley, obviously everyone should accept it Also love the "Ashley needed to keep the goodwill of fans", that's comedy gold he had to save face man- season ticket renewals. Cant believe some so-called newcastle fans fall for this shit time and again. Do you believe in alien abductions as well? I suppose Ashley is behind those?

from danwalkerbbc So why was a £35m bid rejected then.. It wasnt. They released that we rejected their 2nd offer & gave no details on what that was, we may well have accepted a 3rd by that point & been calming a backlash. Its common sense. Common sense?, really? Its common sense to say that we hadn't rejected a bid, because we probably, maybe, perhaps had accepted a third bid, so Carroll then asked to leave instead of just leaving and picking up his part of the transfer? That's common sense now? You've tangled up your own thoughts there. Im purely saying that we simply released that we'd turned down a 2nd offer. The idea that this meant a deal was off the table or hadnt already been agreed since that point is all assumptions. David craig was making a point of saying Ashley was resisting selling as much as he could, as if he was "trying his best" & a further way to back this up would be to leak that we'd turned down 2 offers in a row. The point of all of this is to calm a backlash from fans aggravated that we'd given away our best player easily. They were just trying to suggest everywhere that we were trying hard to keep him, which is what you're being lead to think. The fact that we made no attempt to take any deal off the table & were quiet all day suggests the opposite. I'm mixing up my thoughts? Mate I was just emphasising how mixed up your post was. Also yet again what you're saying doesn't fit in with the transfer request. We might already have accepted a third bid before announcing that we'd refused the second bid?, so then why the transfer request? If we'd accepted a bid why the f*** would Carroll then put in a transfer request? If he put it in before the third bid.. if there even was one, then again it comes back to us rejected a bid, him handing in a request, then us accepted the next bid. Again Carroll asked to leave after we rejected a bid. Yes? The 2nd bid could have happened hours before reported & Carroll may have handed in his request etc before we'd even reported it. Carroll asked to leave whilst we were likely playing games with Liverpool to get them to reach our valuation. The claim is that he wanted to leave for whatever reason when we leaked we were willing to accept 35 mill, so he puts in said transfer request. Pool reach the asking price and there you go. We release delayed statement about 2nd bid to calm backlash, deal is potentially already done behind the scenes. Maybe not, just possible is all. The initial reaction is that things happen when reported, im just saying thats an assumption & we have no idea what happened. David craig was basically fed lines all night like a puppet. Move on now anyway, may aswell leave it be & start trying to find some positivity out of it all. Again this story doesn't fit together.. Why would he put in a transfer request? We tell Liverpool we'll accept £35m and they're going to bid that, Carroll hears and decides to put in a transfer request, WHY?

You mean the same journo's who said before the transfer "We've heard Carroll wants to leave". Now they're saying "He didn't want to leave" but we're supposed to believe these paragons of virtue? We don't need to believe one side or the other, just make up our own minds. Unless you're a fantasist its pretty easy to see what's happened here. We didn't want to sell (of course we'd always be willing to sell at a certain price, everything's for sale), but Carroll got itchy feet and asked to leave. At which point we accepted the already excellent deal on the table. No point in rejecting what is a fantastic offer if the players wants to go. Why we have to bring in Area 51 levels of insane conspiracy into what's a fairly clear situation is beyond me.

Ive been over it enough times tbf I dont doubt that we rejected the bids, it means very little. We made liverpool fully aware that A deal was on the table & that we were willing to sell. They had the money coming in to match what we wanted, they knew we knew that & had little room to negotiate because of that. Yes Carrolls at fault for handing in a request. Whether for reasons of wanting a much higher wage or being disillusioned by us being so willing to let him go. Either way he should have done better by us fans & for the team he loves. He didnt, he let us down & went for the money. Both Ashley & Carroll have let us down. The transfer is poor news for us, hopefully we will make a positive somehow. It gets tiring having all this positive progression knocked away for no reason though & Ashley is a common theme. I thought you're opinion was that Carroll had been pushed into putting in a transfer request by Mike Ashley as a PR exercise?

agreed Yeah, Carroll wanted to be hated just to save Ashleys ass... Ashley needed to keep the goodwill of fans more than Carol. as carol has left and dosnt need to sell season tickets here. Ashley would have simply said were accepting 35mil- yr getting 80k a week- but we need a transfer request to excuse us. cant see how people cant accept this. Of course, its the least reasonable explanation for the situation and based on nothing but the hatred some people have for Ashley, obviously everyone should accept it Also love the "Ashley needed to keep the goodwill of fans", that's comedy gold

Carroll handing in a transfer request will have cost him a fortune, he hasn't done that for PR. Presumably it costs him a little less than the extra dosh he'll make from his salary at Liverpool over the life of the contract. Right that explains why he wanted to leave and handed in a transfer request to get the move, how does that explain why he'd do it for Ashley?