Northern Monkey

proper supporters support the team of the place where they come from. Not true, some proper supporters support teams because of family members, my kids were always going to support Newcastle, regardless of where they were born. My nephew was born in the midlands but didnt have a choice in the matter, he was born black & white, we made sure of that. There's an argument that "come from" is a generational thing - but if i moved to Birmingham (as if), had kids, and THEY stayed there, had kids etc, i wouldn't expect my grandkids to be NUFC fans. If you are a brummie (which my grandkids would be) you should support a Birmingham team, in my opinion. You shouldn't necessarily be forced into supporting a team other than that of where you 'come from'.

The tipping point came when he got the job full time, despite being fundamentally incapable of doing it.

Going by looks only is a little harsh. Well its impossible to judge them on footballing ability as they have none. Owen plays for England!!!1 Sometimes. And so does Dyer, occasionally, and he couldn;t be more mediocre if he tried.

Emre only turns up for every other game. Not as good as he or his defenders think he is. Runs around a lot, though. Well done him.

proper supporters support the team of the place where they come from.

How often will you pretend that mediocre journeyment like Parker and Dyer are "much better" than performance after performance after performance shows?? Jesus. Every time they play shite, they get defended. Then on the rare occasions they perform, its taken as proof they are top class.

Oh, Ameobi in the "no future" list as well. Championship quality, and good luck to him.

Ranieri was actually desperate for the job and was baffled as to why he hadn't heard back from Shepherd. Houllier talked of wanting to come back to the premiership and seemed to be genuinely interested in the job. Unfortunately Shepherd turned his nose up at them despit their premiership success, as a matter of fact a lot of fans did too. I would have gladly had either one of them back then and I still would. You're basing this definite, guaranteed, concrete active interest in the post on what? Made up media stuff, or just general lies?

If it doesn't happen, can we get a promise you won't start any more threads?

Then we need to start having a pop at us playing shite like Carr, Moore, Shambles, Babayaro etc (and Shola if he was fit). Cos they're relegation players.

Duff in the "no future". Dyer moved to the "no future" list if we intend to make a real go of it. Not consistent enough to ever be anything but mediocre.

If he keeps Bramble, Roeder deserves everything he'll get. To all the Bramble-defenders - he's shit. He's not premiership, he's fucking rubbish. His passing is rubbish, he's not as strong as he should be, he can't tackle consistently well enough, his positional sense is shite, and he's slow. He's a fat useless wanker, and if he got crocked and finished his career, i'd not shed a fucking seconds worth of tears. Get shot of the cunt so he can't cost us any more games or money.

Added to which: I hope he gets sacked, publicl humiliated, and never gets the chance to work at/ruin another club. Absolute cunt.

I thought Babayano, Taylor, Moore and Duff were the better players today... The better? Moore couldn't defend fuck all, Babayaro was out of position literally in double figures, and Duff was poor. Better than normal, but still poor. The entire team played like relegation candidates. If you want to defend any of them, at all, you can, but i'd be surprised if you can if you actually watched the games. I can't personally defend any player who plays like ours do. They're shite.

Anyone who thinks Bramble is anywhere NEAR a Premership defender doesn't know fuck all about football.

Well?

Can we also have a rule the prohibits trolling after a home defeat to an inferior team? If you pull your usual routine after this result you're going to piss a lot of people off - but that's the point, right? come back to me when we get relegated because we didn't sack Roeder right this minute what you're basically saying is it's ok to act like a complete mong because we have just been beaten. You really think any of these retards will change their opinion in a few days? Its not ok to be a shite manager, and its not ok to keep Roeder in his job. Facts.

to anyone who has said give the cunt roeder more time, or duff will come good, or babayaro can do a job for us, or roeder was right to not replace defenders in TWO windows, you were 100% wrong.

The BBCs coverage is shit, so is ITVs. Skys is better, but not by much. Who cares where it goes anyway? Its still football.

i think he bothered,just didn't think davies,upson,neill were worth the money. disagree about putting the kids in. Then he was wrong. We have one of the worst centre backs, and worst left backs, in the premiership. We're lucky to have an aged - good - right winger to play at right back, else we'd have a hat trick. I think Neill is s***, but him and the other 2 you mentioned are still better than the s**** we have. Roeder failed to get what we needed, thats a fact. But regardless of that, my point about there being no injury list stands. so why pay over the top for players marginally better than what we have...roeder failed to get what we needed,ferguson failed to get the keane replacement.i'd have been more pissed off buying zat knight for £7mill than getting through with what we have. Who said marginally? Upson is a considerably better player than Shambles. Neill is a better full back than that lazy cretin. Roeder. Failed. To. Buy. What. We. Needed. Twice. And then spent money on a player we needed FAR less than we needed defenders. funny,many west ham fans think upson is crap,even if they are better.how .much.are .you.prepared.to.pay.over.the.odds ? i think wayne bridge is a very good defender,if chelsea ask £12mill then no f****** way....upson for £8mill,davies for £9mill...keep any money and keep looking. So you believe Roeder did the RIGHT THING not replacing players (Bramble, Carr, Moore, Babayaro) who are not good enough for the Premiership, and then wasting £5m on a player we didn't need? Honestly? replace them when possible,if you cant cos clubs are asking ridiculous fees then so be it. as for buying duff,he stated that he wanted an experienced player who could play down either side(bearing in mind with milner likely on his way at the time we had little strength out wide on both sides)which in that respect wasn't a bad move. It was a terrible move, when we desperately, desperately needed new players in other areas. I reiterate - the ones we have are NOT premiership quality, and he failed to get players who are. He is a failure, and he will continue to make US fail. should he just think"we need defenders so i'll only look for them regardless of what else comes up"we bid for zat knight (£7mill..fuck me..i've heard)so cash was there,i'll ask again how much are you prepared to be ripped off,would you buy upson for £8mill. truth is you don't know who he was looking at or others he bid for(not everything makes the papers). tell you what may be a bigger endictment,that we finished 3rd with as bad a defence,but since that season,under robson,souness and roeder we are so disorganised.you may want to slag off the defence,i'll slag off the defending as a team You're right, n ot one of us knows who he looked at. But we know who he bought. No-one who was good enough. He's an idiot. In the same way as no-one knows who he looked at, no-one knows how much better players (i.e. MANY players) woudl have cost. The values you give are totally arbitrary. As it happens, i think that having shit like Shambles in the team has cost us millions this season, on top of the wages we pay thw pathetic twat.

i think he bothered,just didn't think davies,upson,neill were worth the money. disagree about putting the kids in. Then he was wrong. We have one of the worst centre backs, and worst left backs, in the premiership. We're lucky to have an aged - good - right winger to play at right back, else we'd have a hat trick. I think Neill is s***, but him and the other 2 you mentioned are still better than the s**** we have. Roeder failed to get what we needed, thats a fact. But regardless of that, my point about there being no injury list stands. so why pay over the top for players marginally better than what we have...roeder failed to get what we needed,ferguson failed to get the keane replacement.i'd have been more pissed off buying zat knight for £7mill than getting through with what we have. Who said marginally? Upson is a considerably better player than Shambles. Neill is a better full back than that lazy cretin. Roeder. Failed. To. Buy. What. We. Needed. Twice. And then spent money on a player we needed FAR less than we needed defenders. funny,many west ham fans think upson is crap,even if they are better.how .much.are .you.prepared.to.pay.over.the.odds ? i think wayne bridge is a very good defender,if chelsea ask £12mill then no f****** way....upson for £8mill,davies for £9mill...keep any money and keep looking. So you believe Roeder did the RIGHT THING not replacing players (Bramble, Carr, Moore, Babayaro) who are not good enough for the Premiership, and then wasting £5m on a player we didn't need? Honestly? replace them when possible,if you cant cos clubs are asking ridiculous fees then so be it. as for buying duff,he stated that he wanted an experienced player who could play down either side(bearing in mind with milner likely on his way at the time we had little strength out wide on both sides)which in that respect wasn't a bad move. It was a terrible move, when we desperately, desperately needed new players in other areas. I reiterate - the ones we have are NOT premiership quality, and he failed to get players who are. He is a failure, and he will continue to make US fail.

i think he bothered,just didn't think davies,upson,neill were worth the money. disagree about putting the kids in. Then he was wrong. We have one of the worst centre backs, and worst left backs, in the premiership. We're lucky to have an aged - good - right winger to play at right back, else we'd have a hat trick. I think Neill is s***, but him and the other 2 you mentioned are still better than the s**** we have. Roeder failed to get what we needed, thats a fact. But regardless of that, my point about there being no injury list stands. so why pay over the top for players marginally better than what we have...roeder failed to get what we needed,ferguson failed to get the keane replacement.i'd have been more pissed off buying zat knight for £7mill than getting through with what we have. Who said marginally? Upson is a considerably better player than Shambles. Neill is a better full back than that lazy cretin. Roeder. Failed. To. Buy. What. We. Needed. Twice. And then spent money on a player we needed FAR less than we needed defenders. love the way you just assume that the failure of a player to sign is down to Roeder He is responsible for getting in players. Didn't you read his fucking pathetic bleatings this week? "it's not my team yet.....3 or 4 signings and its half my team...". He's a rubbish manager, and he will fuck us up just as much as Souness was.

i think he bothered,just didn't think davies,upson,neill were worth the money. disagree about putting the kids in. Then he was wrong. We have one of the worst centre backs, and worst left backs, in the premiership. We're lucky to have an aged - good - right winger to play at right back, else we'd have a hat trick. I think Neill is s***, but him and the other 2 you mentioned are still better than the s**** we have. Roeder failed to get what we needed, thats a fact. But regardless of that, my point about there being no injury list stands. so why pay over the top for players marginally better than what we have...roeder failed to get what we needed,ferguson failed to get the keane replacement.i'd have been more pissed off buying zat knight for £7mill than getting through with what we have. Who said marginally? Upson is a considerably better player than Shambles. Neill is a better full back than that lazy cretin. Roeder. Failed. To. Buy. What. We. Needed. Twice. And then spent money on a player we needed FAR less than we needed defenders. funny,many west ham fans think upson is crap,even if they are better.how .much.are .you.prepared.to.pay.over.the.odds ? i think wayne bridge is a very good defender,if chelsea ask £12mill then no fucking way....upson for £8mill,davies for £9mill...keep any money and keep looking. So you believe Roeder did the RIGHT THING not replacing players (Bramble, Carr, Moore, Babayaro) who are not good enough for the Premiership, and then wasting £5m on a player we didn't need? Honestly?

I would always support my country above any other nation, regardless of who played for the opposition. Exactly the same as i wouldn't support Man Utd above Newcastle if the Mancs happened to field 5 Geordies and we fielded none. ... and therein lies the difference. I care significantly less about Scotland and the USA than I care about how NUFC performs and I imagine the majority on here do (edit: about their own respective Countries - I am well aware of the fact that the USA and especially Scotland are... loathed by the majority on here). Convesely I never support ManUre even if they are the only british team in Europe... I just won't do it. i don't see the need to have an "either club or country" attitude. I can love both, there is no conflict. I will also support no other English team (British being irrelvant) in Europe - why would anyone do that? I don't support another European team if (when ) England get kicked out of a World Cup. not often i'll say this but I AGREE 100% WITH NORTHERN MONKEY about the bit in bold Woo hoo!! A dream fulfilled! lets not go making a habit of it. Neeeever going to happen.

I would always support my country above any other nation, regardless of who played for the opposition. Exactly the same as i wouldn't support Man Utd above Newcastle if the Mancs happened to field 5 Geordies and we fielded none. ... and therein lies the difference. I care significantly less about Scotland and the USA than I care about how NUFC performs and I imagine the majority on here do (edit: about their own respective Countries - I am well aware of the fact that the USA and especially Scotland are... loathed by the majority on here). Convesely I never support ManUre even if they are the only british team in Europe... I just won't do it. i don't see the need to have an "either club or country" attitude. I can love both, there is no conflict. I will also support no other English team (British being irrelvant) in Europe - why would anyone do that? I don't support another European team if (when ) England get kicked out of a World Cup. not often i'll say this but I AGREE 100% WITH NORTHERN MONKEY about the bit in bold Woo hoo!! A dream fulfilled!