Jinky Jim

To use a good old English expression . . "Crikey". I have never posted anything unrealistic in my life, if you think something I have posted is . . then you know where the problem lies. Until I gave it up, I have had a Season Ticket at St James' since Season 1969/1970 (I was the original 'glory hunter' after we won the Fairs Cup . . hmm!!) so I am more knowledgeable and 'interested in' NUFC than most people I know. However, the only thing that really matters to NUFC in 2020 and 2021 is the Takeover, which is why that is absolutely the only thing worth posting about until it happens. To the word 'Crikey', I would add (about your comments) the word 'Dispiriting'. Crikey that takes me back.....feyenoord, Rangers semi -final and the glorious Upjest Dosza in the final...I wonder how many of us,Manorpark, who are on this forum who were around in our “glory Days" A couple of years ago, in 2019, I celebrated the "50th Anniversary" of our Fairs Cup Win with this long thread, with hundreds of photos and memories HERE . . . https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/fairs-cup-newcastle-united-and-the-1969-fairs-cup-win-50th-anniversary-1969-to-2019.2177948/post-159296132 Outstanding.....great memories...Wyn Davies, still my favourite player to wear the B&W

To use a good old English expression . . "Crikey". I have never posted anything unrealistic in my life, if you think something I have posted is . . then you know where the problem lies. Until I gave it up, I have had a Season Ticket at St James' since Season 1969/1970 (I was the original 'glory hunter' after we won the Fairs Cup . . hmm!!) so I am more knowledgeable and 'interested in' NUFC than most people I know. However, the only thing that really matters to NUFC in 2020 and 2021 is the Takeover, which is why that is absolutely the only thing worth posting about until it happens. To the word 'Crikey', I would add (about your comments) the word 'Dispiriting'. Crikey that takes me back.....feyenoord, Rangers semi -final and the glorious Upjest Dosza in the final...I wonder how many of us,Manorpark, who are on this forum who were around in our “glory Days"

It’s ridiculous. I’m 50-50 as that’s what it’ll literally be 50-50. No one knows how the arbitration case will be. I’m Hopeful but that as much as I can be. The ultra positive types just want to be able to say see I told you all along while the rest of us will be too busy celebrating At the same time the ultra negative types will be able to say, I told you so, if it all goes arse over tip....best to keep optimistic, whilst prepared for the worst. How many 'ultra negative types' are there on here? And how many would seriously say 'told you so'? Most of what I see is people just being realistic. Yeah there's the penns etc, but most people are just grounded. You’ve obviously not been reading this thread much then?

It’s ridiculous. I’m 50-50 as that’s what it’ll literally be 50-50. No one knows how the arbitration case will be. I’m Hopeful but that as much as I can be. The ultra positive types just want to be able to say see I told you all along while the rest of us will be too busy celebrating At the same time the ultra negative types will be able to say, I told you so, if it all goes arse over tip....best to keep optimistic, whilst prepared for the worst.

What happens when the inevitable wind up merchants appear and scuttle any optimisn we might have.....I’m sure the optimism thread will remain quiet for a while, but needs to remain in place ........just in case.

Pop into the Positive thread for an update Oh man do I have to go in there!? ? OK as a positive spin on it Jacobs said "Told this doesn't end their interest in #NUFC"...Thought that Sounded positive to me?...Others in the thread has suggested they may be looking at Inter, not as a replacement to us, but as an addition......Brief view of thread

Pop into the Positive thread for an update

‘They are actively looking elsewhere’ doesn’t sound at all positive ‘ Told this doesn't end their interest in #NUFC’...Sounds positive to me? True but actively looking suggests if they see a better fit they’ll go for it. Here’s hoping Newcastle would be their main buy As Stifleaay suggests, they may be looking at Inter, not as a replacement to us, but as an addition....time will tell I suppose.

‘They are actively looking elsewhere’ doesn’t sound at all positive ‘ Told this doesn't end their interest in #NUFC’...Sounds positive to me?

That’s what annoys me slightly, post anything that’s in any way down on the takeover happening even if that is what appears to be most realistic and people get upset about it and accuse you of being a wum and being overly negative yet anyone can post any amount of utter shite (in one case yesterday the exact same post in both takeover threads) but as long as it’s positive no one cares. The majority on here want to feel positive about the takeover but the positive feeling and info just doesn’t appear to be there. I think I saw someone saying it’s just going around in circles and it’s true apart from the club announcing it was going to arbitration there has literally been no other concrete news. Maybe it is time to just take a back seat and see how this relegation battle plays out first Sums it up quite well.I’m still in the Optimistic group but like you say neither group has any great evidence as to whether it goes through or not.The positive optimism thread tries to relieve the constant boredom of negativity without really producing any great evidence one way or another.What it does is offer some interesting points to possibly cheer us up for a short while...some of the posters in that thread are very positive and helps to install a sense of hope. Those in the other thread who have the opposite point of view also have very valid points and may well prove to be absolutely correct in their judgement of the situation. No group has insider knowledge so we are left to surmise. Healthy debate is good, this is what the forum is set up for, but there is no need for one or two posters to simply appear, wind up everyone, sit back and watch the battle. As it may be a while before we hear anything either way....the present relegation battle is our main concern.

Well said.I know this is a forum for all things Newcastle....and healthy debate is why we spend so much of our day viewing it.BUT I’m convinced there are people out there who just enjoy winding people up for the sake of it...perhaps I’m just getting old and havn’t adjusted to social media completely and the opportunity it provides for baiting and annoying.

Goodnight Penn?

I’m still with you on the optimism stakes, though I’m now of the view that it may be months rather than weeks away. My main concern is avoiding relegation, as I think this is the key to the timing of any action. Yeah relegation undoubtedly has become the biggest threat, let’s hope we can pull something out of the bag Sunday. Well, no The multiple other hurdles which have not yet been overcome still remain the biggest threat. No deal can happen until many other things are resolved, none of which have moved anywhere since PIF pulled out. Relegation is immaterial when there is no deal in place. We could qualify for the Champions League this season and it still wouldn’t make a difference. Well, yes The deal is agreed and in place, hence Ashley currently spending a fortune on legal fees. If survival is secured and PL approve deal we have our takeover. You talk about multiple hurdles however in reality once Bein is reinstated and the cases are settled, it is very much open to debate whether separation will still be fought over. “Once Bein is reinstated and the cases are settled”, you’re talking like it’s the matter of a 10 minute phone call. We’re talking about KSA and Qatar who have been embroiled in dispute for many years. Diplomatic relations have started to turn around but the conversations that need to happen have not even began. It’s not as simple as switching some television boxes on. You’re speculating about complex tit for tat legal cases which aren’t that simple. We’re not far from the equivalent of North and South Korea settling all disputes and becoming best mates. This doesn’t happen overnight, it could take years. As Jacobs has said today, patience will eventually run thin (if they’re not already). Optimism is fine, but blind faith with no evidence to support the optimism is pointless. Regarding the agreed deal (which isn’t an agreed deal as has been widely reported, it’s off)... If a deal was even remotely close, why is Bruce allowed to continue on to relegation which would almost certainly destroy the deal? Nothing that has been reported makes this deal seem remotely close. Don’t bite Whitley or he’ll be here for ever...stick him on Ignore

I’m still with you on the optimism stakes, though I’m now of the view that it may be months rather than weeks away. My main concern is avoiding relegation, as I think this is the key to the timing of any action. Yeah relegation undoubtedly has become the biggest threat, let’s hope we can pull something out of the bag Sunday. Well, no The multiple other hurdles which have not yet been overcome still remain the biggest threat. No deal can happen until many other things are resolved, none of which have moved anywhere since PIF pulled out. Relegation is immaterial when there is no deal in place. We could qualify for the Champions League this season and it still wouldn’t make a difference. Thank you Fantail for that nice piece of Optimism

I’m still with you on the optimism stakes, though I’m now of the view that it may be months rather than weeks away. My main concern is avoiding relegation, as I think this is the key to the timing of any action.

Ah good the wind up merchant has appeared...thought I’d put “it” on my ignore list...wonder why it’s appeared here.

Jacobs always seems closer to the pulse than anyone else. Seems plausible what he’s saying rather than the sensational stuff some others put out. Perhaps Ashley realised that relegation was a huge possibility in January.....don’t spend any money.....sell the club post relegation for 80-100m less and perhaps he feels he’s only 30m or so out of pocket.....NAAA, that demands Ashley has actually planned for the future...he never does that?

It’s what Ashley has done all of his tenure......gamble that what we have is enough to survive....better than spending £50m and ensuring Premier status, in his mind...you do wonder how he has been such a successful businessman

You're right in my opinion nothing will happen (if there is anyway) until the end of the season. As I've mentioned a few times, the fact that Ashley is willing to gamble relegation and put the value of a reported 350m deal to probably half in value, indicates to me that nothing is happening. We will see That’s what doesn’t make sense...if the Takeover’s not close, why gamble with relegation and a £350m Business...Why stick with Bruce when it’s obvious to Barnes and co that this Bufoon is going to take us down. I guess bringing Jones in was his/the clubs way of dealing with the threat of relegation. There's a limited pool of managers available and who's to say they would want to join us anyway? Who knows what was tried to be sorted behind the scenes A “no manager bounce” is probably better than having Bruce in charge?

You're right in my opinion nothing will happen (if there is anyway) until the end of the season. As I've mentioned a few times, the fact that Ashley is willing to gamble relegation and put the value of a reported 350m deal to probably half in value, indicates to me that nothing is happening. We will see That’s what doesn’t make sense...if the Takeover’s not close, why gamble with relegation and a £350m Business...Why stick with Bruce when it’s obvious to Barnes and co that this Bufoon is going to take us down.

Think the big question is why he is so willing to stick with Bruce if the takeover still has a chance of happening? Makes no sense to me That is one question that doesn’t make sense to me either unless he still thinks the Takeover is to happen SOON and he’s not prepared to spend more money by getting rid of Bruce and his entourage. A very big gamble indeed if that is the case.

I’ve switched threads deliberately.Although I’m still optimistic that the takeover will still happen, I’m now of the opinion that it may happen later rather than sooner. The legal side of this process is ongoing but seems to be stuck....your guess is as good as mine as to why. Meanwhile issues closer to home, if we don’t get a result against WBA, with 12 games to go and realistically 12-14 points still needed. Is Ashley really going to gamble his £350M Business on Bruce.....Time is running down Mr Ashley...you need to make a decision now.

For once I agree with you.....although still optimistic, I’m beginning to think that the takeover will be awhile coming. The legal side of this, is taking a long time to solve and could still be weeks/months away before a satisfactory solution is reached. Meanwhile our depths of despair at the rear end of the league could cause massive repercussions for the outcome. As I’ve mentioned earlier, Ashley has to now either stick with Bruce and accept the consequences or make a bold decision and get someone in to give the club a b boost.

There are lots out there for the doubters to feel that the takeover is over...they may be proven to be correct....likewise I believe there is enough going on with the legal case and other little bits of info to provide some of us with optimism that the takeover may still happen.....We are all desperate for it to happen and I’m sure those who believe it’s all over will be glad to be wrong, if that is the case. I believe the biggest problem is our survival, and the next few weeks may be pivotal in everything. Ashley has a decision to make shortly...stick with Bruce or get rid....