macphisto

Peace and Quiet at SJP for the first time in 50 years? Keegan's first stint as manager was harmonious and I'd also take any year from 1992 to 2004 over this year, I quite liked playing in the top league and European football! Far too many people are getting carried away with this season, it was a very poor league! Time to judge the club is next year!

Roeder had managed before, in the Premier League, and had got the team relegated. He was a proven failure at the highest level. Hughton has taken charge of a few games as Caretaker boss but otherwise hasn't had a chance to prove himself. David Moyes was a journeyman player who started at Preston as player, then player/coach, then Assistant Manager and then Manager. He never got a team promoted to the Premier League and was unproven at the top level. Now look at him. Moyes massively overachieved at Preston and that’s probably one of the things you’re looking for in a manager, somebody who can take poor players and build a good team, or take good players and build a great team. Hughton has taken the best squad in the league and turned them into the best team in the league. He couldn’t have done more but he hasn’t overachieved. He’ll get (and deserves) his opportunity to prove he can do more next season. Hughton might have had the best squad but this squad at the start of the season had no, absolutely no team spirit. With Kinnear in charge we probably would be fighting for a play-off place now. This just highlights the damage that Ashley has done to the club, fans using Kinnear as a barometer for measuring CH! Not having a go at you but it just highlights how far expectations have fallen! Just criminal! People go on about relegation saving money for Ashley by getting rid of the high wage earners, I reckon he'll save much more by the complete lack of ambition amongst the fans. He will not have to spend much now to keep the fans onside, long term he'll be quids in!

My reasons for not wanting CH are: 1) I believe any good/top manager needs a certain amount of arrogance/self-confidence about them. The very fact the CH has been messed around so much by the club shows that he hasn't got that, for CH to see Kinnear appointed ahead of him last season and then stay at the club doesn't say much about CH. Can you think of any other manager or coach with aspirations to become a manager accepting that? Maybe CH didn’t want to be the manager at the time, so I would then think does he really have the hunger to be a manager? Why has it taken him until he is around 50 to suddenly think he’ll make a good manager? If that is the case I would have to question his desire/hunger. 2) I wouldn’t judge any manager off one season in the Championship, not for a club the size of Newcastle. If we are going to get a manager from the lower leagues, then I’d want to see how they do over a period of time, a minimum of two seasons to see how they set their teams up to play, dealings in the transfer market both in and out. One season in the premiership is not enough. 3) How would CH appeal to players? He has neither a track record as a manager or player, I’m not sure how he will attract players. 4)Unknowns: This is the main reason for me not appointing Hughton as there are so many unknowns about him. No one really has a clue how well he will do, a lot of fans think he deserves it but are not sure about how he will do when we go up. It is not good to have this lack of confidence around the club, it just reminds me so much of Souness and Roeder where deep down I believe most people knew they would never work out but gave them the benefit of the doubt for the sake of “stability”.

I think he's done a remarkable job in the CCC, but my personal belief is that he isn't good enough for the PL. Should he get a chance in the Pl? Well, he will and his success will depend on so many things inc luck, it is hard to say with any certainty what is going to happen. But, if it looks like going bad, the quicker he is replaced the better. IMO he should be replaced in the summer if a better manager wants to come and manage us and I'd inc Mark Hughes in that bracket. Fully back up what Parky has said as I don't think CH is up to the job. Not sure where the idea Hughton would be talked up as the next best thing would come from, has he done anything differently from managers like Mick McArthy, Billy Davies and Tony Pullis? I personally think that with the players we have in this league, anything less than promotion would have been very poor. Hope I'm wrong but I think a lot of people on here are getting carried away with how the team and managers ave performed this year in what is a poor league.

Going off what some people are saying, if we have no money to spend then we might get ready for relegation now. Little money and Hughton in charge is only going to result in one thing at the end of the season.

If Ashley showed that he was going to stick with the club, we wouldn't have any trouble attrcting someone like Hodgson to the club. To suggest that Fulham are a bigger club than us is just stupid (don't get me wrong I like the club, going to the next few matches there), they are just not in the same league as us as a club. We'll have to agree to disagree but if we offered managers full control over the football side of things and allowed them to wheel & deal on a modest budget, I have no doubts that we could attract some big managers. I'm not saying this to detract from my main argument, but the whole "he's earned the right", "stability" could be used to say that we don't change any of the players as they deserve a shot at the big time, which would be crazy!

Have you been to Fulham, great little club, fantastic stadium but you are never going to achieve much. Dangle the prospect of managing in front of 52,000 fans and saying he has full control over the football side would tempt him. Any manager with ambition would know that if he had full control of the football side of things at the club and did well that the possibilites are endless. If not him there would be others, I’m sure of that!

Serious I understand the stability argument which is why I’d want someone new in who we could see being here for the long term. I just don’t see that with Hughton. I’m sick and tired of us appointing managers with no strategy in place! Look at the last few managers: Souness (quick appointment, early season) Roeder (only after being caretaker) Allardyce (fair enough a plan was in place) Keegan (after Redknapp turned us down) Hughton (got the job after the shenanigans of Ashley trying to sell the club) Absolutely terrible decisions the lot of them and it’s not hard to see why as the club has never seriously thought about where it wants to go and the best manager to achieve that based on a sound track record. We’ve always just “ended up” with a manager. With regards to Hodgson, the reason I mention that is because I was at Fulham at the weekend and we are a much bigger club in every way and I refuse to believe we could not attract him to Newcastle if we showed that we had a sound ambitious plan in place! If not him then there are other managers out there!

What you wouldn't want Hodgson as manager? I'm being serious there!!

I'm being serious, to answer some of the points I wouldn't say Souness or Strachan had a track record, well not a good one any way. With regards to Allardyce, you can't deny that he did a good job at Bolton for a number of years so at least we had a something to go off. Fair enough it didn't come off but at least there was some sort of rationale for appointing him. So am I right in thinking that if we can't go for Wenger or Ferguson that we have to settle for Hughton? Why don't we look abroad, it really is amazing that the North East has never got a manager direct from overseas, it says a lot about the people who have controlled our clubs. Yes it is a risk getting someone from overseas, but we could go with someone who has a record of building a team and has done well in the transfer market. You cannot judge Hughton on one season in the Championship. If we want to look closer to home, why not go for Roy Hodgson? All I’m saying that we are far too big a club to be settling for someone like Hughton. Do people realise that we’ve had the third highest number of fans through the turnstiles this year and something like 5th highest average attendance? If we are going to base our decisions on a manager's ability to get promoted from the Championship and stay in the Premiership, why not go for Pulis?? Quite rightly that suggestion would be seen as ridiculous, just as appointing Hughton should be viewed the same.

I don't feel he has earned the right to manage next year as he's only managed one season in the Championship with a good set of players for that level! I wouldn't base any decisions on one season and for what it's worth at the first sign of trouble next year I would be calling for his head as I'd rather get it over with as soon as possible, rather than let it drag on like it did under Souness and Roeder where you knew from the beginning that it was never going to work. Before people have ago at that attitude, at the first sign of trouble next year what reason would I have for thinking he could turn it around? I also view NUFC as a big club worthy of someone much better than Hughton, someone with a track record where it wouldn’t be such a gamble, simple as that really!! I find it embarrassing that a club like Fulham could have a much better manager than Newcastle and yet get half our gate! Reading some of the threads on here, I can’t believe how far some people’s ambitions and expectations have fell.

Voted for him to go as there are too many uncertainties concerning CH as we have never seen him build a team or deal in the transfer market, you cannot go off one season in the Championship. Seen people like Ferguson and Wenger mentioned as unknowns went they went to Arsenal and Man U, they weren’t unknowns after what they had done at Monaco and Aberdeen! Even going off someone like Moyles at Everton, he had a few seasons at Preston to assess his abilities. I also believe most fans know that he’s not up to the job but believe he “deserves a go” but we’ve been here with Souness and Roeder where everyone from the beginning knew how it was going to work out but we gave them the benefit of the doubt anyway. At the first sign of trouble next year people will start to call for Hughton to go as there will be no reason to think that he will turn things around as he has no history. Hughton was also not a big player so he doesn’t bring anything to the club with regards to attracting players and commanding respect from that point of view. If I was Ashley I’d go all out for Roy Hodgson or a similar sort from abroad to manage the club. I refuse to believe that if Ashley is serious about taking the club forward that he couldn’t attract a manager of that calibre. For a club that will get close to 52,000 fans next season we deserve a lot better than Hughton! Any owner who would give the job to Hughton after one season in the Championship really hasn't got the first clue about football!

Solano can't love Newcastle if he puts his family before us! Can you read? Look at what I wrote, he didn't stay long in London so I doubt his family were the reason for moving!

Not sure why some people think Solano loves Newcastle, we had all this sentimental rubbish when he left us the last time because he was only doing it to be with his wife in London when in truth he probably wanted away for one last pay day as he didn't stay in London for long! Haven't got the book at hand but Bobby Robson wasn't too impressed by his attitude, I'm sure he mentions seeing Solano leaving a match early after he got subbed or something for Villa against Boro. The very fact Robson mentioned that would say that he didn't think too highly of him as he could have used plenty of other players as an example. All this just reminds me of when Lee Clark re-signed and people wonder why Newcastle are such a joke of a club!

I actually don't think Dalglish ruined the entertainers as the only one he got rid of was Ginola and I would have done the same! What a lot of people overlook is that one of the greatest if not the greatest Newcastle player ever was over the hill once Dalglish took over in Beardsley. Any team would suffer after losing a player like Beardsley! Ferdinand and Asprilla left under Dalglish didn't they? Fair point about Asprilla but again he wasn't effective in the league, I would also say the decision to sell Ferdinand was made by the board

I actually don't think Dalglish ruined the entertainers as the only one he got rid of was Ginola and I would have done the same! What a lot of people overlook is that one of the greatest if not the greatest Newcastle player ever was over the hill once Dalglish took over in Beardsley. Any team would suffer after losing a player like Beardsley!

I wouldn't even say a season and a half, after he got sent off at Highbury (not sure when that was but it was the first season) he never seemed the same player again!

I'm all for protesting which I have been advocating for a long time but I'm not too sure what staying behind would achieve or even protests before the match? At the end of the day the only thing that will force Ashley/make him take notice is if people stopped going to the match. He doesn't care what the fans think which has been proved many times!

My thoughts too!

Serious question, when is it a good time to protest? People were saying we shouldn't protest last season as we were in a relegation battle and now people are saying we shouldn't protest because we are in with a chance of promotion! No time is a good time to protest at the club but enough is enough, pressure needs to be put on Ashley!

I imagine/hope he'll sell if we go up. Theres been no reason to suggest he wouldnt, all he's shown is that he isnt willing to further drop the price he wants for the club. If someone had offered what he wanted he'd already be gone, there just wasnt enough interest. There will be if we go up. Having said that, i also expect he'll draw it out over the summer and waste a lot of the transfer window as usual. But that doesnt change much. You do realise that he's pretty much been trying to sell the club since he bought without success which would include our time in the Premiership! Does he really want to sell? I'm for anything that hits Ashley in the pocket as it will not harm the club one bit as regardless of whether the fans turn up or not he'll: sell any decent players (struggling to think of any!) Rename the stadium Appoint a cheap disposable manager If Ashley is serious about waiting for us to get promoted and then sell at a higher price then by any logic he would spend around about £10mill in January that would virtually guarantee promotion which he would recoup! Somehow I can’t see it happening,can you?

Agree 100% and for me there are something’s more important than what happens on the field! This club means too much to too many people to let Ashley walk all over us! Let’s have pride in ourselves as a set of fans and say enough is enough! I've said it before I'd take admin and relegation to get rid of this bloke! It's just a drip drip drip story of bad news off the field! I'd love for him to go and to get back to talking about the football again and at the end of the day I'm not that bothered what league we would be in for that to happen! One other thing as an outsider has anything really changed by his announcement? Still the status quo as far as I'm concerned in that he would still sell if he could or and I don't know what he has some other motive for keeping the club in perpetual turmoil!

How would it end all the uncertainty? Even if Ashley took the club "off the market", everyone knows that he would still sell to the first person who had the money. If anything appointing Houghton would only confirm that he still wants to get rid of the club because in every aspect he is the cheapest and most convenient managerial option available.

I'm don't get too carried away either way by the football side of things but for me at the moment I'm not taking too much interest in the football as I simply find Ashley being in control too depressing. All I ask for as a football fan is hope and with Ashley in charge there is no hope! Two things I would pick you up on is when you say football works in cycles, well it doesn't for Newcastle as we haven't won a domestic trophy since 1955 which is disgusting for a club the size of Newcastle. Few years back I read the book about Newcastle not winning anything for 50 years and it’s unbelievable how badly this club has been mismanaged over the years! My last point is also related to your second point about whether we have been spoilt lately as we haven't been relegated for 16 years. You and other people on here should have more pride/confidence in the club/city, not being relegated is least we deserve! For the last 5 years we have been getting the 2nd/3rd largest crowd in the country! Is not being relegated now a barometer of success for the club? This is why I want Ashley out because of the negative influence he is having on the whole club including the fans! To see fan expectations being lowered to such a degree is nothing short of a travesty!

Didnt you know that administration = guaranteed short term improvement? Have a look at Leeds and Southampton. Great examples of how a team is immediately transformed after a visit from the administrators I never said anything about short term improvement and I never said everything would be happy again. I would take relegation/administration if it meant: We could start to talk about the football again As a club we would stop being a complete joke off the field The fans/city were treat with a little respect We had a long term plan in place, including a permanent manager