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Good point Fred

Lee Clark will do a better job

When he was at Barca & PSV he didnt do the signings. Carr,Bramble,Quinn,Cort,Bassedas,Cordone,Fumaca are just some of the names I can think of with out trying. As for Soumess I wouldnt give him £1 to spend. Bob was best at not making it fooking complicated we played it simple. Remember when he took over & he told Al his back was facing the goal to much, he needed to play a bit more on the turn, it was shit like that turned the sinking ship Ruud left around. He signed Ronaldo when he was at Barca Every manager makes bad transfer decisions from time to time. Nobody is perfect.

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Solid back 3 you have there...

In his 2 years in charge Souness spend almost the same amount of money that SBR spend in his 5 years in charge? Keegan-from 1992 until 1997: "approximately" Players IN: £57 125 000 Players OUT: £21 485 000 Difference= - £ 35 640 000.This sum divided to his 5 seasons in charge equals the number of £7 128 000 per season Dalglish-from 1997 until 1998 Players IN: £33 300 000 Players OUT: £27 150 000 Difference= - £ 6 150 000 Gullit-from 1998 until 1999 Players IN: £ 33 400 000 Players OUT: £ 25 975 000 Difference= - £ 7 425 000 Robson-from 1999 until 2004 Players IN: £ 75 460 000 Players OUT: £ 43 600 000 Difference= - £ 31 860 000.Divided to his 5 season in charge equals the number of £ 6 372 000 per season Souness-from 2004 until 2006 Players IN: £ 49 500 000 Players OUT: £ 20 400 000 Difference= - 29 100 000.Divided to his 2 season in charge equals the number of £ 14 550 000 per season Roeder-from 2006 until 2007 Players IN: £ 15 140 000 Players OUT: £ 7 500 000 Difference= - £ 7 640 000 The difference between the money spend and money recieved from the Robson reign are £31 860 000 The difference between the money spend and money recieved from the Souness reign are £ 29 100 000 Thats only £ 2.5m.Not to mention that Souness lasted only 2 season and SBR spend 5 seasons as manager Also when you divide SBR difference money valued at £31 860 000 to the 5 season he was in charge the amout of money he had per season are £ 6 372 000,which i think its not too much. Keegan's sum of money from players bought and players sold from his 5 years in charge is £35 640 000 That number divided to his 5 season in charge equals of £7 128 000 per season Dalgish numbers are £ 6 150 000 per season Gullit numbers are £ 7 425 000 per season and Roeder numbers for his one season-£7 640 000 Funny that Souness spend almost as much as Keegan and he is the manager which the board backed with most money per season-£ 14 550 000 I think Souness reign bring us at least 4-5 years back in the time before Robson took in charge.Everything that SBR build Souness had destroy it. Any thoughts about this?

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Agree with you Just remove the name of Houllier with the manager that could fit the bill.

We are talking about managers here not players If you went by trophies, Souness would be in the same class as O'Neill. SBR would have been a complete failure at Newcastle.... He won the Uefa cup and the FA cup with Ipswich.Also he won the European Cup Winners' Cup with Barca That is good achievement imo and thats not all of his trophies won So Allardyce should be expected to win trophies even though he is at a small club with one of the smallest budgets in the league? SBR won nothing here though, if the mark of a good manager is winning trophies then he must have failed during his time as Newcastle manager. The point of this argument that started IS wining trophies the most important thing about appointing a manager. No but if some manager has won trophies at every club he managed,especially wining the Uefa cup with anonymous club and also reaching the final of the Champions league with also not so famous club like Benfica,then this manager must be good.His track record is there. The other manager(Allardyce)has won nothing so far.Of course that doesnt make him bad manager but he still has alot to prove until he reached the achievements Ericksson have dont he? lol your suggesting SGE. dont you think we have had enought duff overrated managers... who DID have some success, but when a big job came about were fucking woeful. seriously no one .. especially now.. should want SGE, the guy is looking for a last pay cheque, he has the best national side in the world imo, but couldnt make simple decisions ie: drop beckham, lampard & gerrard cant play together YET consisted with playing them!!! he also has the WORST negative tactics ever, i only saw one good england game to watch and that was Turkey game in his WHOLE england tenure. go figure. SAM is the man. right time, right place and affordable. Still he has one of the best records as England manager. Lost only 10 games in his 5 years in charge of England in about 70 games played He played Lampard+Gerard because they are the best English midfielders atm. He tried to put the best 11 England players on the field. Do you think if Rooney and Ronaldo cant play together Ferguson will drop either of them? He will try to play them both because they are the best players he have Also England lost to Portugal at the last 2 big tournamets on penalties!!! I dont think there is any shameful thing about that. Its not like you have lost by 3 goals margin.

You are right.

If the manager is good we will play good(wining) football,we will progress up the table and with some good luck we might win something.

We are talking about managers here not players If you went by trophies, Souness would be in the same class as O'Neill. SBR would have been a complete failure at Newcastle.... He won the Uefa cup and the FA cup with Ipswich.Also he won the European Cup Winners' Cup with Barca That is good achievement imo and thats not all of his trophies won So Allardyce should be expected to win trophies even though he is at a small club with one of the smallest budgets in the league? SBR won nothing here though, if the mark of a good manager is winning trophies then he must have failed during his time as Newcastle manager. The point of this argument that started IS wining trophies the most important thing about appointing a manager. No but if some manager has won trophies at every club he managed,especially wining the Uefa cup with anonymous club and also reaching the final of the Champions league with also not so famous club like Benfica,then this manager must be good.His track record is there. The other manager(Allardyce)has won nothing so far.Of course that doesnt make him bad manager but he still has alot to prove until he reached the achievements Ericksson have dont he?

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We are talking about managers here not players If you went by trophies, Souness would be in the same class as O'Neill. SBR would have been a complete failure at Newcastle.... He won the Uefa cup and the FA cup with Ipswich.Also he won the European Cup Winners' Cup with Barca That is good achievement imo and thats not all of his trophies won

1.Football is about wining and wining trophies is the most important thing in football and the ultimate goal. 2.Ericksson had alot of money to spend only at Lazio.Before that i doubt that he had big budget considering that he managed teams in the early 90's and mid 90's.The point is that he accomplished things in his previous clubs without any big budgets. 3.Agree that Allardyce has done superb job at Bolton but he is hardly proved himself at the big clubs unlike Ericksson who is in the managerial business for 20 years and also has won tropies with every club he managed(only without Fiorentina) He won the Uefa Cup,European Cup Winners' Cup,reached the final of the Champions league,won the Scudeto with Lazio and other not so important trophies 4.Souness won most of his useless trophies at Scotland(4 league titles and 4 league cups i think).With Liverpool he only won the FA cup.With Galatasaray he won the Turkish Cup and Turkish Super Cup.And with Blackburn he won the League cup.He failed to win things at Southamton,Benfica and Newcastle so basically he won trophies with half of the teams he managed.Also Ericksson's trophies are far more significant then Souness's.So your comparison between Ericksson and Souness is not that accurate. 5.Ericksson played boring football with England but so did Allardyce with Bolton.At the end of the day Ericksson record as England manager is more then impressive and in 5 years as manager he lost only 10 games.Also at the big tournaments England lost 2 times from Portugal on penalties so you cant say that Ericksson really did a bad job as manager because at penalties Brazil can lose against Iraq.Its pure luck.Its not like England were humiliated by some team or something like this.

What a fool he will be to go there. I doubt his football career will develop alot there Maybe his bank account will but not his football career because he will play in the League cup games,probably 2 games a month in the Premiership or play 10min as sub. Never mind i never wanted him here so its not so bad news for us. I had prefer if whoever comes here to sign some creative midfielder.Someone like Diego,Riquelme and Rafael van der Vaart The last will be perfect for us.

i can't beleive im agreeing with you! ;D No he isn't, Allardyce is. Aye,because Allardyce has won so many trophies in his career and has reached so many finals in his career Great.

;D But we can say that he didnt manage at club level for some time now and he will be motivated to do it again Also he will be extra motivated to succeed at Newcastle so that way he will silence the critics who were saying that he is not good as England manager. Well maybe, but that doesn't sound like the strongest kind of motivation. Even if you're right, what happens when problems arise and he starts to get some stick? Is he going to say to himself, 'must prove myself' or is he going to say, 'Sod this, I've won trophies in Sweden, Portugal and Italy, and I've managed a major international football team. Now these losers are telling me I don't know how to manage a football team. Do I really need this?' There was a similar discussion when we were having the O'Neill v Hitzfeld debate a year ago. A lot of people were pointing to Hitzfeld's superior record in winning trophies, but (I felt) ignoring the issue of motivation. If he's climbed the mountain before, why should he want to climb it again with a club where the chances of success are nowhere near as good? Sure enough, he opted to go back to Munich rather than take a backward step. I say - give the job to a bloke whose career is still on the way up. I dont think the thinking of managers and players are like you describe it. I dont think Giggs will say to himself:Well i've won 9 Premiership tittles.Do i need to play anymore football or not. Or would Lippi say:I've won the world tittle so do i need to manage again. Every person wants to prove himself at whan he thinks is doing best. Yes the chances for Ericksson to win a trophy here are smaller then doing it at Man Utd for example but then the challenge is bigger and if he succeed the feeling will be sweeter. Also i dont think that his career is over and on a down. Well i dont know maybe you are right. Ultimately nobody can be 100% sure who would do better job-Ericksson or Allardyce. I do think that Allardyce is more passionate and more ambitious person. Or it looks like this. Ericksson rarely express his emotions.

Eriksson 'interested' in Toon job Sven Goran Eriksson's agent has confirmed his client's interest in the managerial vacancy at Newcastle, but Gerard Houllier is not in the running - contrary to earlier reports. Eriksson's representative Athole Still claims the former England manager would be available were Magpies chairman Freddy Shepherd to make an approach. However Still stressed that there had been no contact as yet between the two parties. Still told Sky Sports News: "Have we been in discussions with Newcastle? No. "However I was asked, would he be interested. Newcastle is a huge club, with a wonderful stadium and fantastic fans so naturally if a club like that made an approach to Sven then clearly he would be interested in talking to them but nothing has happened." Former Bolton boss Sam Allardyce has been linked strongly with the post made vacant following Glenn Roeder's resignation on Monday. And Still added: "I happen to be a very good friend of Sam Allardyce and Sam seems to be, as they say, nailed on for the job, the bookies have stopped taking bets and the last thing I would want to appear to be is undermining Sam taking the job if indeed that is something that has already been decided." Former Liverpool boss Houllier, now in charge of French champions Lyon, was believed to be in the running to succeed Roeder, but the Frenchman has told Sky Sports News that he is not interested in the job. You're doing what journalists are often accused of - selective quoting to distort the overall impression. Sven's agent is saying that Eriksson would be interested in talking to any large club that was interested in offering him a job. That's some distance from 'Eriksson wants to join Newcastle'. And that large club he was refering to was Newcastle

How many threads about managers are we going to have? Ericksson is our man for the job

I would enjoy it, milk it for all its worth, having waited for decades, most of which was spent getting nowhere near such heights, up until 1992, then get magnificently, superbly, fantastically, mingingly, heavenly pissed, so much so that I would be unconcious in a gutter somewhere, and celebrate in a fashion that I've never done before and never will again. And I have a feeling that most of the 15000 supporters like me who supported the club when we had a shite board would do exactly the same. What do you think will change as far as the football club is concern? Do you think that if we win some trophy the board should go for bigger things,spend more money on transfers? Do you think that wining a trophy will change our football club in any way-good or bad? What do you think?

How do you comment the fact that he has won trophy at every club he has worked with?(only without Sampdoria)

Eriksson 'interested' in Toon job Sven Goran Eriksson's agent has confirmed his client's interest in the managerial vacancy at Newcastle, but Gerard Houllier is not in the running - contrary to earlier reports. Eriksson's representative Athole Still claims the former England manager would be available were Magpies chairman Freddy Shepherd to make an approach. However Still stressed that there had been no contact as yet between the two parties. Still told Sky Sports News: "Have we been in discussions with Newcastle? No. "However I was asked, would he be interested. Newcastle is a huge club, with a wonderful stadium and fantastic fans so naturally if a club like that made an approach to Sven then clearly he would be interested in talking to them but nothing has happened." Former Bolton boss Sam Allardyce has been linked strongly with the post made vacant following Glenn Roeder's resignation on Monday. And Still added: "I happen to be a very good friend of Sam Allardyce and Sam seems to be, as they say, nailed on for the job, the bookies have stopped taking bets and the last thing I would want to appear to be is undermining Sam taking the job if indeed that is something that has already been decided." Former Liverpool boss Houllier, now in charge of French champions Lyon, was believed to be in the running to succeed Roeder, but the Frenchman has told Sky Sports News that he is not interested in the job. Whether he's interested or not, it's doesn't matter because the job is Sams. If you say so... Be honest... do you really think anyone other than Allardyce is going to get the job? Until yesterday i thought that its 100% sure that Allardyce will get it. Today when i saw that Ericksson is also interested i think there is slight chance that he might get it too Ultimately i think you are right that in the end Sam will get it