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If I was getting sectioned I'd put up more of a fight

If the server can really feel emotion we probably need to look into changing it.

City, Spurs and mackems all to win, £5 to win 17-odd.

As far as I can tell the Liverpool fans seem to have been against him since he was appointed.

Jol would be a good appointment for them.

That was one of my favourite moments from last season, so I tried to make a thing of it in the video (timed with music, replay, Hughton celebration etc) Assume you mean the Bristol City game, that was one of the most ridiculous celebrations of a goal I've been part of, went on for fucking ages. Got a nice big cuddle off some bloke as well. Good job we didn't get a winner, we might have bummed.

Great news if true.

Might head up to this depending on trains etc. Big, big game. Haven't been too concerned about the last two games but losing can't become a habit.

I thought they signed Onuoha.

I'm thinking about everyone on top of their game, I think Wayne offers more. He'd at least cut inside and shoot. Jonas's crossing is of a similar technique to mine given that we're both right footed and play on the left, obviously he's more than a million times better than me but he uses the same technique of just getting his foot under the ball and getting it in the area rather than trying to direct it in any way.

You'd have him on the wing ahead of Barton? (I assume you're talking about Routledge...) Has Routledge actually done anything this season? I mean, anything? He's been better than Jonas. That's almost a no (bar the City away).

I'd go for the same team as Yorkie only I'd be very tempted to put Routledge ahead of Jonas.

I agree about overcommiting (which he does sometimes, once quite badly today), but that's not what I'm talking about - I don't want him diving in at all but you don't need to be 2 yards away to do that, the space can be closed more than that without going overboard. He stands too far away, I don't want him diving in at all but he stands too far off when people are running at him and gives them far too much space to get a shot in. It's nit picking but it's as frustrating as fuck to watch.

not based on what we've seen so far. williamson reminds me a bit of andy o'brien in that he dropped no bramble like bollocks but overall wasn't as good as bramble. i see taylor as being as good defensivly thought with differing attributes but much better on the ball and offensivly. Offensively, yeah, you can have that - but like I said in another thread, I'd rather we picked the best defenders than the best attacking defenders. In terms of the ball at his feet, it's Williamson for me. I s*** myself when Taylor is on the ball, he just doesn't look comfortable at all whilst Willy looks very assured and confident, and keeps it simple. He doesn't set the world alight, but that makes him less prone to mistakes - Taylor tries to do too much IMO. yet i'd say taylor gives the ball away less when in possession than williamson does as williamson often clears it where as taylor passes it. ideally with taylor getting more games we may end up in a position where all the centre halves build rapports with each other and we can go horses for courses for example with all fit i'd have played taylor/williamson against bolton. I agree that, when it works, what Taylor does can be better - but it's far more adventurous and can often blow up in our face. Williamson is steady and simple, which I prefer because it gives us less chance to f*** up. I've never really understood the whole pass it out of the box thing, it's what leads to alot of our defensive mistakes. Williamson is more reliable IMO. my best mate who sits next to me at the match goes mad with the "pass it out,pass it back" thing but it's all a question of pulling their players about and it all comes down to movement as in if their centre midfield moves up to pressure the ball then our wides or forward should drop into the gap left...we are organised defensivly but still too much we look like a subbuteo team with everyone standing still bar the man with the ball. i'd also maintain taylor gives the ball away less and is thus more reliable. My main problem with Taylor is that he backs off people too far. He always gives them 2 yards rather than one. I play at an awful level and it's something I've been working on (as a full back) - you can't overcommit but I think Taylor goes too far the other way and always gives them too much space to play in when they're running at him.

the_soccer_master will be jizzing himself.

Central defence is all about partnerships rather than individuals and from what I've seen so far Colo/Willi is far and away the best partnership.

Comfortably our best midfielder.

Don't be daft, we've set out a negative team against a Spurs team who before today had only managed to stop the opposition scoring once. They rip teams apart on the counter, and supposedly teams have achieved more success by sitting back at WHL. If we'd had a go and lost 4-0 people would be even less happy. Exactly, thats why we still need to leave Tiote and Smith on because we were always vulnerable on the counter attack. So the game plan was to try and hold on to the 1-0? Whilst I would have brought Smith off, we did bring a striker on for a winger. The team was clearly more attacking after the change.

We need a striker but we won't spend enough money to buy one who's good enough. The best we can hope for is a loan deal for one out of favour - the likes of Keane or RSC. Maybe even someone like Vela? We've got plenty of people who can play up there but only one who's consistently any good.

I agree. We've shown enough in the last two games, despite the disappointment and defeats, to demonstrate we've got a lot more about us than we did when we went down. It's not impossible, but it seems very unlikely. If the squad is decimated yet further (by injuries or sales) it could change but we don't look a team poor enough to go down at the moment.

He took of a winger and left two holding midfielders on when we were 1-0 down and they had just gone down to 10 men. That's nothing to do with lack of options on the bench. Erm, it is? The lack of options on the bench meant he had to take of a winger and leave two defensive midfielders on? The way they all played today I'd say Smith and Tiote both looked more like scoring than Jonas though...

Surely a 6 implies you think we're more likely to go down? 3.

This, would love to see Caroll have that sort of service. Even Ginola and Gillespie would do