TRon

Doesn't anyone question why Lovenkrands has failed to settle at some of the biggest clubs in Europe? Quite frankly, considering we have a left winger who can't cross or shoot in Gutierrez, and a forward line up where he'd be behind Carroll, Harewood and Ranger you have to wonder what he's doing wrong? Or maybe he just doesn't want it enough?

I think I was more disappointed in his attitude after the injury rather than doubting he suffered one. He gave an interview where he didn't sound like he fancied getting back on the pitch in a hurry. I accept he might have been shaken by the injury but usually players are counting the days when they can get their boots back on. Incidentally, I don't have any grudge/disregard/personal vendetta against Lovenkrands, I was all for re-signing him this season, I'm sure there are plenty of quotes knocking about.

Yep, in that case the Campbell move makes sense, but we still should be looking at getting in a winger taher than shoe-horning central midfielders or full backs in there.

Taylor and Coloccini are proobably the best centre back pairing in this division, so where would Sol fit in unless one of them is sold? It worries me that we are talking about another centre back instead of wide players we are desperately short of. Taylor's best performances for us came at right back at the end of last season. If Simpson isn't staying past Jan (although I hope he does) that would give us an extra option. I'd rather see Taylor at CB though, that's his natural position and he compliments Colo well enough at this level. Disappointed to see in the Journal that Hughton's prime targets are a striker and centre back again, so he's probably just looking for replacements for Marlon and Zurab when their deals expire.

For gods sake get over yourself you childish drama queen, i justifiably said it was idiots who thought that injury wasnt genuine, if you want to launch yet another hissy fit on the back of such stupidity then do it by yourself, I cant be bothered with your daily bleating. interesting also how they always throw the first insult then throw hissy fits when answered in kind. They usually want the first word and the last which would make an interesting case for pschoanalysis.

It's strange how certain posters can't make a point without hurling totally unrelated insults or condescending remarks. Is it because of their excessive intelligence or do they have mental issues?

Some planks descend to name calling far too quickly I feel.

Taylor and Coloccini are proobably the best centre back pairing in this division, so where would Sol fit in unless one of them is sold? It worries me that we are talking about another centre back instead of wide players we are desperately short of.

I accept that I may be totally wrong on this, but like Martins possibly wussing out against Stoke last year, that chest injury Lovenkrands picked up at the back end of last season against whoever it was seemed a tad suspicious, and could well be an indication of someone who hasn't got the willpower to be a professional footballer anymore (but still wants the wages every month). It's just a suspicion, a possibility, nothing more. Just like it's a possibility that Lovenkrands is actually a secret international caped crimefighter during the twilight hours. I got some flak for suggesting he copped out of some games with that injury last season, but he does seem to end up with off the pitch problems wherever he goes.

Think thats why they weren't saying the amount they were raising, were only collecting deposits for now and I'm guessing they simply wouldn't accept the deal and so Ashley would get more hell and no cash. I don't think Ashley will give a flying fuck about getting hell, it will come down to cold hard cash at the end of the day.

peasepud, assuming that this catches the imagination of the local public and everything goes to plan and we raise £300m, what makes you think that Ashley won't see all this available cash and move the goalposts by raising the price? Has negotiating a buyout price been factored in or are we just going to pay whatever it takes once the funds are in place?

What's the connection? Both dead. Two dead then?

What's the connection?

My first advice is simple and straight forward. Clear your mind of any thoughts you may have had, statements such as "the NUST alienated a lot of people last year" and such, people are talking about early on when we were protesting, things that we are now being slated for not doing. We felt it was right to do that then, others didnt, fair enough but as has been said on here many a time, the past is the past, we were learning (and still are), we're not experts or experienced in this, we're just a group of fans that felt we needed to start something. The next thing to do is to read everything thats released about the scheme, whats there now is the overview and information on how it can be done. Over the next few days/ weeks we'll be releasing more, thats for a number of reasons, firstly we dont want to swamp everyone with tons of financial gumph on day 1. Theres no reason why you have to jump in now and sign up, paying over your cash today, no reason at all and frankly anyone who does so is mad in my view. Read everything, take in what it means for you as an investor, decide which route (if any) you would be interested in, get further info on it either from what we release or by speaking to a financial advisor, we are going to have details of the 27 or so Indipendant Advisors throughout the North East that will be involved in this. Theres going to be a place opening in town where you can drop in and discuss your particular aspects with someone face to face. After speaking to one of our people to get the full facts etc then have a think, if you're then considering it Id say go and talk about it with someone you know personally and trust who has financial experience. Only then should you consider investing. We're not here to rip off people or buy a football club and get ourselves on the board. Someone made the point about why all the board members had to be Trust people, maybe its a misunderstanding of the meaning Im not sure but whats meant by that is all of those involved would be investors, Ant and Dec may stick a million in each, the bloke that owns Sage might put in 2, you however could have invested the minimum, you've all got the same right to be on that board, if you can show your ability and forward thinking then maybe you will be. Someone who has put nothing in however has no right however to be there. If you thought it mean current committee members then you're wrong. Being on the committee for the NUST has absolutely no bearing on the board of the club, Id be hugely surprised if I for instance got a role in there, delighted obviously but I reckon there'll be a thousand ahead of me with better CVs for the positions. The President will be elected by the investors, one member one vote thats the rule so same as above applies. The President however is less likely to be one of us unknowns in the business world because you want someone who has experience of big business and multi million pound decisions, someone with a football past as well as business. We cant say who would be standing because we dont know yet and wont until the day we have bought the club. One question Ive seen already in this thread is where the day to day running costs will come from, we are realistically believe we could raise around £200m through the plan we have in place, that may sound fanciful but when you imagine it would be 8,000 people investing £25000 pension and not actually forking out any cash themselves then it becomes quite realistic (thats not taking into account the cash investors or big business/ individual investments). Overall it could be possible to actually raise £300m. What is important to remember is that £200m @ 2% interest is £4m, roughly the same as we are paying per year in interest on the £40m overdraft and that once we've raised £100m, £200m or even £300m we dont have to stop however the financiers would have to predict the overall impact long term on the amount we pay in interest etc so somewhere there would be a break point. People are questioning whether Moat is involved and why he didnt speak to us when he was "attempting" to buy the club. Those that see it as a bad thing against the NUST should maybe have a sit back and think of the other possible reasons why he didnt. Maybe just maybe he wasnt the white knight hes being seen as, what I will say is that our bid does not involves the football club paying to buy itself and make someone a big profit in the future. Make of that what you will. Everything thats being planned has been drawn up with professional people, not just a fanciful idea ran past a solicitor, welder, shop assistant and civil servant or two sat at a committee meeting, its been scrutinised, discussed, amended and redrafted a number of times to make it what you will see over the coming weeks. Talk of the Barcelona on the Tyne are not wrong, IF this works then we will have achieved something which only one other football league club (Exeter City) currently has, full fan ownership, we however will be the biggest by a country mile. I was speaking to Exeter reps at the Supporters Direct AGM a few weeks ago and although they're not a big successful club they hold their own and more importantly would not change it for the world. Thats another thing that really needs to be drawn out, the increase in income this could generate, a successful club which is heavily linked with the local community will bring more money into the city, increase the feel good factor for both the club and city and as a result increase the ticket sales and merchandise. Oh and St James' Park will always be St James' Park when its owned by the fans. Apologies if Ive not answered a lot of the questions, Im happy to answer anything you put forward, if I have the answer, if someone else has it then I'll get it but if its things such as "when will we see Champions League football under this regime" then Im not going to bullshit and say we'll be there next year. While I still have doubts as to whether this will work in practice, in theory it's a very exciting idea. I really hope it takes off

At least they Surely this is part of the job of the chairman of the club not the job of NUST ? The salaries would therefore come out of the clubs budget as it does now ? I'm sure it will be and I'm sure they would, but it doesn't answer the questions I asked. I'm sure they will be able to answer, you can hardly commence a multi million pound takeover without plans for what happens should the takeover succeed. i agree, like I said seems strange to ask for cash without a business plan. Just not sure we're asking the questions at the correct place. Would be good if NUST could get someone to answer all these questions on all the different sites. The pledges of money promised by big businesses is impressive although it sounds unlikely.

I didn't even know Sting actually supported Newcastle. He's definitely lost the Wallsend twang but fair play, at least he doesn't support Man U.

i honestly think we'll see more clubs doing it. Wasn't there a story about Chelsea going down a similar route? Probably a good idea for them as it would suit their London spiv image.

and yet howey,beresford and v enison all went on to get endgland call ups. surely the issue is that keegan got them to play as a unit of 11, defensivly and attacking. Keegan was very single minded in HOW we played. The confused style of lumping the ball high and long while supposedly trying to retain posession just wouldn't have been tolerated.

stump up cp40, don't be a tight arse.

I think they may have had tentative talks, i was reading something on the NUST forum yesterday and it mentioned that the woman in charge of the financing of the SIPPS has/was in process of doing due dillegence. Also shows why NUST took a back seat in the protests at the weekend, don't think it would look too good for them to be organising a big protest when they are wanting to open dialogue with Ashley to buy him out. Kudos to the NUST for taking a more professional approach then. This is mostly what sceptics have been suggesting from the off and there's far more chance of being taken seriously if that's the case. I would still prefer Moat or any other local businessman to be involved and if that meant he had more say then so be it. That's more workable IMO, and far more likely to succeed.

Don't see anyone twisting tbh. If you don't like anyone asking questions I would suggest you're the one getting het up for no reason. I'm not het, If you have questions there is no point doing it on a forum, why dont the ones asking questions go to the NUST meetings and ask the questions directly. I've seen the NUST get some bashing on this forum before. I admit that some of the things they hve done in the past have mde me face/palm a couple of times. By all means ask the mod to close the thread and no need to ask any questions or discuss anything to do with this subject. Oh FFS Tron man, i was only passing comment, stop being a baby and get your toys back in the pram. Classic. You moan about people asking questions then tell me to shut up when I agree to what you say

Don't see anyone twisting tbh. If you don't like anyone asking questions I would suggest you're the one getting het up for no reason. I'm not het, If you have questions there is no point doing it on a forum, why dont the ones asking questions go to the NUST meetings and ask the questions directly. I've seen the NUST get some bashing on this forum before. I admit that some of the things they hve done in the past have mde me face/palm a couple of times. By all means ask the mod to close the thread and no need to ask any questions or discuss anything to do with this subject.

Don't see anyone twisting tbh. If you don't like anyone asking questions I would suggest you're the one getting het up for no reason.

Incidentally why isn't Moat part of it? Has he been approached? Has Shepherd? I would have thought fans with that sort of financial muscle would be ideal investors. It's been mentioned before that Moat has been approached. Has it been mentioned whether he's backing the NUST bid? Incidentally why isn't Moat part of it? Has he been approached? Has Shepherd? I would have thought fans with that sort of financial muscle would be ideal investors. I think I read somewhere he has been approached but didn't respond/wasn't interested. Well, I wish the NUST good luck but if fans with the clout of Moat or Sehpherd can't be persuaded to back the cause the whole premise of wanting a club owned by fans looks like wishful thinking which is unlikely to stand up in the face of cold hard financial reality. Having read the details on the website, there's a very good reason why Moat/Shepherd won't be involved - its one member one vote - so if you put in £20m you have the same influence over the club as someone who puts in £1,500. This might end up being stumbling block to those with serious money to put in, or on the other hand it might end up being an example of perfect democracy, who knows. Time to re-read Animal Farm methinks.

Incidentally why isn't Moat part of it? Has he been approached? Has Shepherd? I would have thought fans with that sort of financial muscle would be ideal investors. It's been mentioned before that Moat has been approached. Has it been mentioned whether he's backing the NUST bid? Incidentally why isn't Moat part of it? Has he been approached? Has Shepherd? I would have thought fans with that sort of financial muscle would be ideal investors. I think I read somewhere he has been approached but didn't respond/wasn't interested. Well, I wish the NUST good luck but if fans with the clout of Moat or Sehpherd can't be persuaded to back the cause the whole premise of wanting a club owned by fans looks like wishful thinking which is unlikely to stand up in the face of cold hard financial reality.