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Are you fucking joking? That's exactly what he'll be, a guaranteed starter for another year. He's not a bad squad player, but if he's around no British manager will put him on the bench. Another year of stagnation guaranteed. If Kinnear can leave Taylor out because someone has come in and done well then I can see him doing the same with Butt. Taylor wasn't left out, he lost his place through injury and Bassong took his chance. Same applies to Duff otherwise both players would still be playing IMO. To be fair, Kinnear showed some balls by not bringnig Owen straight back into the team when Shola was doing well, we'll see what happens when Barton comes back into the running.

Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Eh? Titus Bramble Released ... £4.5m loss Craig Moore Released ... £0 Oguchi Onyewu Released ... £0 Olivier Bernard Released ... £0 Pavel Srnicek Released ... £0 Antoine Sibierski Released ... £200k loss Scott Parker £7,000,000 ... £1m profit Alan OBrien Released ... £0 Kieron Dyer £7,000,000 £1m profit Paul Huntington £250,000 ... £250k profit Albert Luque Undisclosed Fee ... ? Nolberto Solano Free ... £1.5m loss Stephen Carr Released ... £2m loss Peter Ramage Released ... £0 James Troisi Released ... £0 Lamine Diatta Released ... £0 David Rozehnal £2.9m ... £0 Belozoglu Emre £3.5m ... £0 Abdoulaye Faye £2.25m ... £0 James Milner £12m ... £7m profit So of all the player that have left the club we've made summat like £2m-ish. Sign them up with re-sale value, then sell them on for a profit. Much like what Spurs have done. That's what I feel the club are trying to do. I can only think of 4, maybe 5 clubs in the entire world whose players dont have a price. Having said that i think you might be right about the Spurs thing, the only thing is that i dont think we'd be a club looking to sell but would sell for the right deal. Which players did Spurs sell willingly? Robbie Keane for £20m to Liverpool? That was daylight robbery, I'll bet most Liverpool fans would rather have the money back. Berbatov refused to stay, he wasn't sold through choice or to make a profit. I don't see anything devious or miserly in those deals which is what you are implying, in fact Spurs have spent big on top players like Bentley and Modric which is hardly penny-pinching behaviour. Im not implying anything. Although i do think that Spurs model is to buy players who can develop to make a profit - which they can reinvest, sort of self sufficient method of getting good players. Reinvestemtn program. What do you think Spurs thinking was when they sold both their main strikers[/b - a guarantueed 50-60 goals a season? Surely you dont think they thought it would be an easy propostition to replace them [i]both[/i] in one window? I think Spurs were thinking that both Keane and Berbatov wanted to go, and that they would receive 50 million pounds in return. To me they wanted to replace both, but they f***** around too long with the Berbatov transfer leaving them a few hours to et a striker. So which part of that is ambitious exactly? Berbatov was a definite goner but there didnt seem to be any effort to keep there other 'star' striker. imagine if Nufc did the exact same thing this january Window. My question was aimed at tooj not you, I should have quoted him directly. Personally I thought Spurs would have been mad to turn down £20m for Keane, obviously that also required getting a replacement in which didn't happen.

Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Eh? Titus Bramble Released ... £4.5m loss Craig Moore Released ... £0 Oguchi Onyewu Released ... £0 Olivier Bernard Released ... £0 Pavel Srnicek Released ... £0 Antoine Sibierski Released ... £200k loss Scott Parker £7,000,000 ... £1m profit Alan OBrien Released ... £0 Kieron Dyer £7,000,000 £1m profit Paul Huntington £250,000 ... £250k profit Albert Luque Undisclosed Fee ... ? Nolberto Solano Free ... £1.5m loss Stephen Carr Released ... £2m loss Peter Ramage Released ... £0 James Troisi Released ... £0 Lamine Diatta Released ... £0 David Rozehnal £2.9m ... £0 Belozoglu Emre £3.5m ... £0 Abdoulaye Faye £2.25m ... £0 James Milner £12m ... £7m profit So of all the player that have left the club we've made summat like £2m-ish. Sign them up with re-sale value, then sell them on for a profit. Much like what Spurs have done. That's what I feel the club are trying to do. I can only think of 4, maybe 5 clubs in the entire world whose players dont have a price. Having said that i think you might be right about the Spurs thing, the only thing is that i dont think we'd be a club looking to sell but would sell for the right deal. Which players did Spurs sell willingly? Robbie Keane for £20m to Liverpool? That was daylight robbery, I'll bet most Liverpool fans would rather have the money back. Berbatov refused to stay, he wasn't sold through choice or to make a profit. I don't see anything devious or miserly in those deals which is what you are implying, in fact Spurs have spent big on top players like Bentley and Modric which is hardly penny-pinching behaviour.

Just our bastard luck. Martins out and injury crocks King and Woodgate with a good chance of being fit once again before breaking down for 2 months each. How come these fuckers are always fit when our matches come around?

He'll do ok if he can replace Santa Cruz. Route one football is Sam's speciality, the problem at Newcastle was we didn't have the players for it, and Sam was too fat-headed to adapt.

Then sold him on for this rediculous amount. It certainly fits into the new approach by the club. Have we actually sold on any of our recent signings for a ridiculous amount, or is this just an urban myth put about by UV & associates? Please don't say Milner

Are you fucking joking? That's exactly what he'll be, a guaranteed starter for another year. He's not a bad squad player, but if he's around no British manager will put him on the bench. Another year of stagnation guaranteed. If we're looking at a £6m-rated CM as it stands (and if we get one) and then Barton gets back from injury as well, do you still think Butt will be an automatic starter? I think phasing him out is the best way to go about it. I hope that's how it turns out. If it does, I've no problem with Butt as a very useful squad player.

Right manager for the right club. or put another way: Shite manager for a shite club. Take your pick.

Are you fucking joking? That's exactly what he'll be, a guaranteed starter for another year. He's not a bad squad player, but if he's around no British manager will put him on the bench. Another year of stagnation guaranteed.

Enrique's weakness is his attacking play rather than his defending, it doesn't seem to be his natural instinct to raid down the flanks and overlap. Funnily enough, he does look like he could be coached into doing it, he's got a sweet left foot and he's got a couple of assists to his name now. I still think he's going to become a much better player, if not here, then somewhere else if we're dumb enough to sell him.

That normally happens because the other clubs are willing to pay those higher salaries though, this is a unique issue due to his age and the monstrous amount of money we're supposedly paying him already. Can you envisage a situation where Owen will be on the free transfer list with no teams going near him becaseu of his wage? How often does the oppurtunity to sign a 1 in 2 striker come about? In todays game £100k isnt a unique thing, even Sol Campbell is on £90k... True, but in the current economic climate wages are going to be coming down. Other than Man City, no one has money to burn any more, Chelsea's moving to a sell to buy policy reflects that very clearly.

Thank fuck Duff got injured and Zog's got the shirt just in time, otherwise he'd have been flogged off in January for sure.

Aye, he'lll sign it's just the media don't want him to for some reason so they are making up crap again. If he doesn't sign for 90k per week for 4 years bearing in mind his injury problems, he needs to be sectioned. He could wait until the summer do his cruciate be out for 12 months and end up playing for Tranmere. I don't think it's the media, it's always seemed pretty clear that Owen is waiting to see if he can get a move to a more successful club, not necessarily for the money. If by some miracle we should hit a vein of form this season and qualify for Europe, I think Owen would happily sign for us unless one of the big 4 come in. Yeah but a bigger club won't unless he plays the rest of the season. Anyway how many clubs nowadays play with poachers. I can't think of any in the top 4 , Villa don't have any and Owen's too cheap for Man City All very true, but Owen will expect to remain fit for the rest of the season (all players do) and he will wait until the summer IMO before he commits to a new deal if he can't see anything better on the table.

Aye, he'lll sign it's just the media don't want him to for some reason so they are making up crap again. If he doesn't sign for 90k per week for 4 years bearing in mind his injury problems, he needs to be sectioned. He could wait until the summer do his cruciate be out for 12 months and end up playing for Tranmere. I don't think it's the media, it's always seemed pretty clear that Owen is waiting to see if he can get a move to a more successful club, not necessarily for the money. If by some miracle we should hit a vein of form this season and qualify for Europe, I think Owen would happily sign for us unless one of the big 4 come in.

The thing is, for me personally, he's already shown a great deal more than Jenas showed in his time here. Jenas had the technique and vision, but hardly ever applied himself. IMO Guthrie is the real deal in terms of application, and long may it continue to improve. The key is for the player not to believe his own hype and just get on with things. My Jenas-loathing aside (which has subsided considerably, it must be said), I'm not sure Guthrie has quite yet matched what JJ did for us here just yet. He was very, very good at times and scored some hugely important goals. I was always a big fan of Jenas, him and Dyer gave us a fantastically high powered engine room during our Champions league years. I don't think he has made the most of his ability though, either here or since he moved to Spurs. I'm not sure he's hungry enough to dominate games week in week out, and that's what Guthrie has to look to do. I don't think he has the mentality to do so, something I remember SBR saying how he'd be fantastic in training then when it came to the crunch he never had the stomach or character to do so. That was my suspicion as well, even when he was here. Ability wise he should be providing a lot more.

I always said Villa suit Milner far more that we did. They have big powerful forwards to hit so aimless high crosses from deep can be more effective. With our small pacy forwards we need fast precise delivery like Jonas has provided for his two assists for Owen. It's a move which suited all parties, especially us as we got far more than he was worth.

The thing is, for me personally, he's already shown a great deal more than Jenas showed in his time here. Jenas had the technique and vision, but hardly ever applied himself. IMO Guthrie is the real deal in terms of application, and long may it continue to improve. The key is for the player not to believe his own hype and just get on with things. My Jenas-loathing aside (which has subsided considerably, it must be said), I'm not sure Guthrie has quite yet matched what JJ did for us here just yet. He was very, very good at times and scored some hugely important goals. I was always a big fan of Jenas, him and Dyer gave us a fantastically high powered engine room during our Champions league years. I don't think he has made the most of his ability though, either here or since he moved to Spurs. I'm not sure he's hungry enough to dominate games week in week out, and that's what Guthrie has to look to do.

So that's obviously why Keegan by the end couldn't stand his guts? So? Just because Keegan doesn't like him equates to what? He was ruining the club, the fact the fella walked out showed we are not first in his mind. I fail to see what Wise has done bar stop us getting over-rated trophy signings and securing some good young talent. Well yes...that's the point, it's quite good that he's done those things

It'll probably be Spurs or Man City for me. Ironically both clubs are below us at the moment

Abhisit Vejjajiva in...then OUT!!

Kinnear is talking about signing two £6m players to strengthen the side, there aren't too many dominant midfielders around for that sort of money. That's why I'm thinking it could be Bullard, let's face it even if we ahd the money we aren't going to win the race for Diarra when he leaves Portsmouth in January.

I really don't under stand JFK's obsession with JAR. I didn't understand Keegan's obsession either. Maybe they know something the rest fo the EPL teams don't? Or maybe they are both stuck in a time capsule watching Sky re-runs?

When someone signs a better £ for £ signing at Newcastle than Rob Lee it will be good day. Or we sign striker from the lower leagues as good as Andy Cole, I will be very impressed. Who are these relatively unknown players we signed for the first team? Because everyone of them played in one Europe's major leagues the previous season & I think all of them have some type of international caps. I'm sure you must have recommended us targetting Jonas and Bassong as great potential signings then. Fair play to you, I had f*** all knowlegde of them in truth. Tbf I would rather we had signed another Argentinean from Real Mallorca (Ibagaza) instead of Jonas. Did you recommend him before we signed Jonas or is this our chief scout Mr Hindsight talking?

it's a "favourites" thing. same goes for taylor and owen. they aren't crowd favourites so each little flaw will be magnified and pounced on,where as for others,the crowd faves......n'zogbia,martins for example,anything they do wrong is excused. According to Alan Oliver, Milner was absolutely a crowd favourite for his 100% work rate and honest effort. Zog and Martins are liked for different reasons.

When someone signs a better £ for £ signing at Newcastle than Rob Lee it will be good day. Or we sign striker from the lower leagues as good as Andy Cole, I will be very impressed. Who are these relatively unknown players we signed for the first team? Because everyone of them played in one Europe's major leagues the previous season & I think all of them have some type of international caps. I'm sure you must have recommended us targetting Jonas and Bassong as great potential signings then. Fair play to you, I had fuck all knowlegde of them in truth.