Mick

I've gone off Allardyce as much as most but we should only get rid if we have a lot better to come in.

Allardyce chose to look at people he worked with, probaby because of the reduced risk. I don't know where we are in that process but it's up to the manager to go for alternatives if plan A fails, I doubt that he's been told that it's ex-Bolton or nobody.

A lot of people think Allardyce has been found out since coming here so I wouldn't worry too much what they think, we'll never win with some people.

I can't see the point of playing with words, people knew that Keegan and Robson would improve us as much as you knew Sam would improve us given time. As for staff coming in, I thought we were trying to bring people in from Bolton and Bolton was refusing to release them from contracts which had a year or so to run. We have brought people in like Steve Round, I hardly recognise our bench these days but I've got no idea who else has come in. Bobby Saxton and Adrian Heath have also been mentioned.

We spent money on the players that Allardyce wanted, if he wanted more players he would have got them, he hasn't used that as an excuse so why are you?

Bobby would still offer something to the club in finding a replacement, sadly, he'll never be in a position to work for us again, I think.

I'm really sick of changing managers but we wouldn't have to do it if we employed the right man in the first place. I still think Allardyce has time but it must be getting close to the point of no return. Nothing would make me happier than for him to prove his doubters wrong, I can't see him doing it at the minute.

Did we need another thread?

Agreed with all of that but have to add that Keegan and Bobby were given time because people knew they would improve us as a team and club, I don't feel that way about Allardyce. If he had a settled team and tactics then I'd be happier that he knew what he was doing, I don't have that confidence.

Keeping the wrong man on doesn't make it more right than getting rid. I've only complained about one sacking as being wrong and that was Robson and I feel more strongly about that with every season that goes by. I thought Allardyce was a good appointment for us when he came because of the state of the club, that changed even before a ball was kicked, I felt that he may be the wrong man when we were bought out and money didn't appear to be as much of an issue as it was before. I'm not Allardyce will be used as a scape goat if he's replaced as he's in charge of his own destiny. It's his decisions which are putting him under pressure, nobody else’s as far as I can see.

I'd like to think he had confidence in his own ability and that's something I think he's lacking. He should decide his tactics and best 11 and stick with it. I'm not his biggest fan but would back him if I felt he knew what he was doing.

I don't think it's got anything to do with the club. I blame the fans, not in the way some have in the match thread but in other ways. I don't think many clubs have fans like ours and I've lived around a bit and never experienced anywhere where so much of people’s lives revolve around the football club. I think we have a club which requires either instant success or a manager like Keegan and Robson, people who both lived and slept football, even Keegan left us emotionally drained. I think if you love and live football then this is one of the best places in the world to work as either player or manager. If you want to train for a few hours a day, turn up for the match then disappear again then it's the worst place. We need a good manager who lives for football, if they don't then they'll need to adapt or fail. Edit, you're right, a manager who didn't give a shit would probably work as long as he was good at his job.

I did keep certain things out of the post so that it wouldn't take the thread in other directions.

I voted for the 2nd last option although I'd change January for May unless somebody who was obviously better came earlier. I can’t see any point in sacking him for the sake of it, we haven't been too good at that historically.

Keegan and Robson were right for the job and we did have faith in them, the ones who were not shown faith were not up for the job and giving the wrong man more time will not help at all.

I've already said that we should wait until the end of the season and then if things show no signs of improving then we should make the change. As for his behaviour, he's out of the small town comfort zone of Bolton and hasn't a clue what to do, at least it looks that way to me.

I honestly don't think Allardyce would allow anybody to have any say in who he picks, he went mad just because we were rumoured to be looking at Keegan as a DOF.

9 of the players are his signings and he doesn't appear to know what to do with them, I've seen nothing to suggest that giving him more of his own signings will help.

It is a piece of piss to say sack him, it's just as easy to say keep him. What is he doing now to suggest we should keep him and things are going to improve? I'd seriously ask Bobby Robson to have a word in the ear of his old mate from Portugal to see if he was interested in a return to the Premiership, I'm sure Bobby wanted to bring him here but Mourinho wasn't willing to hang around waiting for Bobby to retire.

I'll not comment about the managers as I've done it above. Our problems are because of the manager, I'd agree about giving him time if it was in spite of him but it isn't, he's creating his own problems and is displaying the same traits as the last two managers. He appears to be clueless as Roeder and I didn't expect to be saying that about him. Maybe he will adjust, I think we'll know one way or the other by the end of the season.

I'll answer the first one with a :-[ then a , my stupidity. The only answer possible is that they were the wrong managers, Dalglish had everything at hand to do something at this club but he couldn't do it because he wasn't up to it. He can't blame anybody but himself as he was given a team that just needed tweaking and I'm sure if we'd managed to get or waited for Bobby Robson then we'd have gone on to have better times. I don't see Robson or Keegan as failures because of what they took over and what they left us with so I don't see any reason other than the wrong people getting the job. Keegan and Robson were both here a good while because they were up to the job and good enough to carry it off, the others were not.

FFS. >

i'm suggesting he, and whoever is with him, turn up with smith on the back of his shirt every week, is it any coincidence that allardyce shoe horns him into any formation he can? i dont know OK, so Allardyce is spineless and hasn't got the bottle to pick his own team? I thought Smith had been dropped this season and how does that impact on all of the other baffling things that Allardyce does?

Give him time for what? How long does it take for him to realise that his impact on the team through his tactics and constant pissing about with team selection is causing more problems than they solve?

Did Allardyce get Bolton relegated? Who are the good managers who have failed? And, why did they fail?