Mick

A Keegan bandwagon jumper is someone who went before during and after Keegan.

It might just be me but that post looks like gibberish; I'll leave others to decide.

I went back 32 months before the summer of 2003 because that's the period you mentioned in the thread I replied to. Here's a link to post #135 http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,31684.msg610984.html#msg610984 where you mentioned the figure I responed to, you didn't mention 2004 anywhere. If you meant another time then I would have expected that you mentioned it, it's not difficuilt, at least it doesn't seem to be from where I am. If you meant another time then I can only apologise for not being able to read minds, it's always been a flaw of mine, a flaw I stopped trying to correct years ago. A typo basically, caused by how many times I've posted the figures and the continual reference to summer 2003...... you should have seen the posts before with all of the detail that shows the dates. The dates are relevant and encompass summer 2003. Do you or do you not understand the point I'm making about the availability of transfer funds during the summer of 2003? How low will you go to avoid addressing a legitimate point? You can hardly complain about my answer though when you now admit to making a typo', I can only respond to what I read It's a pity that you assume others are liars when they make a mistake then put down a repeated typo' as a simple mistake. The point you are trying to make is fair to a certain degree but it's also one that could be argued. The time to push the boat out would have been during the summer of 2003 as we were peaking and within striking distance of major honours in both domestic and European competitions, that would have been time to blow £50 million, not on Souness. I know I've brought Souness into it but only to show that we spend at the wrong time, Sir Bobby had the most success while he was given less than £6 million net per year, the lowest annual net spend of any manager under Shepherd, it doesn't make sense. We seem eager to spend to get out of trouble but not to take the club forward, we react at the wrong time and that tells me that our priority isn't for success, it's for survival.

I think you should read the thread about the Halls and the takeover, but don't start saying that the Halls are to blame for the decisions that don't work out, as majority shareholders, when the penny drops. As for thinking we will be in the bottom 3 for only a few weeks.....I can categorically state that we won't sell our best players for decades and end up where we were pre-1992, unless of course you know we will. But of course, you think its the same thing don't you. Answer the three simple questions, hypocrite. You’ve said I “cherry pick,” prove you don’t do the same by answering the question that I’ve repeatedly asked you and you've repeatedly failed to spot, you lose more credibility by the day. I have answered your questions, Ellis took over Villa when they were champions of europe, and ran them for 26 years, spending many years fighting relegation, being relegated, and during all that time penny pinched in the way he ran the club and with his transfer funds. You are obviously not looking properly. So answer my questions hypocrite, why did Lee and Cox consider Everton and Derby as upward career moves ? And why did Waddle, Gazza, Beardsley, and before them Pop Robson all local lads, want to leave Newcastle and the area of their birth ? And why do you consider buying England players and regular european football to be no different to spending decades in the bottom half of the 1st division, 2nd division and selling your best players replacing them with cheaper players from the likes of Oxford, Luton etc etc.....and a board who were proud of a stand "that was similar to Watfords" Zero credibility, and more so all the time. Every time you fail to see the rubbish you post shows clearly that you have no recollection of this period at all, and hence the depths this club was at in 1992 when the board you rubbish saved this club and dragged it up to what he have done in the last decade, proves you are nothing but a liar. You're "cherry picking" again, where were Villa in the league when Ellis took over? You always preach league position as being the measure of success so who has done more damage to the club they ran when looking at league position? I've told you in the past where Villa were when Ellis took over so it should be straight forward enough for you to find the answer. I'll give you something of a clue, the man who won the European Cup as Villa manager wasn't the same one who managed them to qualification, he moved on because of league position, league position, your holy grail when measuring success. Try and answer this and I might go looking for the replies to the above questions you've repeated again, replies that you have either missed in the past or have chosen to ignore.

And the point of that is what?

I went back 32 months before the summer of 2003 because that's the period you mentioned in the thread I replied to. Here's a link to post #135 http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,31684.msg610984.html#msg610984 where you mentioned the figure I responed to, you didn't mention 2004 anywhere. If you meant another time then I would have expected that you mentioned it, it's not difficuilt, at least it doesn't seem to be from where I am. If you meant another time then I can only apologise for not being able to read minds, it's always been a flaw of mine, a flaw I stopped trying to correct years ago.

I think you should read the thread about the Halls and the takeover, but don't start saying that the Halls are to blame for the decisions that don't work out, as majority shareholders, when the penny drops. As for thinking we will be in the bottom 3 for only a few weeks.....I can categorically state that we won't sell our best players for decades and end up where we were pre-1992, unless of course you know we will. But of course, you think its the same thing don't you. Answer the three simple questions, hypocrite. You’ve said I “cherry pick,” prove you don’t do the same by answering the question that I’ve repeatedly asked you and you've repeatedly failed to spot, you lose more credibility by the day.

I'd agree with the sentiment behind that reply, but to use Goma (£3.5m) and Cort (£2m) as examples of 'not even fringe players' but then include Ambrose in the list of players bought is not really fair. What I replied to was 32 months prior to the summer of 2003, 2004 was after that. Using .com for the 32 months prior to the summer of 2003 shows we spent a net figure of £41.5 million, a lot of money by anybodies standards but almost 20% below the quoted figure of "nearly £50m quid net."

If you want to see some good "cherry picking" at work then just look at most of your replies to questions. bluebiggrin.gif you mean like : Please tell us how you think staring at the 3rd division and selling your best players is the same as being 3rd bottom of the premiership for a few weeks. Or, please tell us how selling your best players and England players for decades is the same as buying England players ? Or, please tell us why Cox, Lee left Newcastle and saw Everton and Derby as upward moves in their managerial careers ? You could actually respond to his question, and tell us how you accidentally forgot to mention Martins and Duff You are slow aren't you, how do you know we'll only be 3rd bottom for a few weeks? OK, you don't "cherry pick" Here's a few you accidently missed. Ellis is a "shit chairman" according to you, what does that make Shepherd who has finished below Ellis more times than above while spending more money? Shepherd has taken us down 17 league places while chairman, name any other of our shit chairman who have done this. Name our other chairman who have made a £12 million loss, base it over 12 months, not the 11 that the latest figures were based on.

If you want to see some good "cherry picking" at work then just look at most of your replies to questions. bluebiggrin.gif

Carr is a joke and shouldn't play again, he's total dross.

That's probably the way I saw it.

So do you think they should use the 48 pages to big the club up and let everyone know how well the season is going and list what we're going to win this season? I thought that was the job of the Chronicle.

Palermo? Now come on Mick. Even Ramage sticks in one or two good balls every so often. bluebiggrin.gif

Shepherd Out http://www.true-faith.co.uk/html/Latest.htm With advance copies at The Backpage on St. Andrew St. in our fair and noble city, issue 54 of your canny little fanzine is now out and as you'd expect filled to the brim with bile, bitterness and foul-mouthed tirades on the current malaise at NUFC. Various writers have looked at our decline from a variety of angles and in the interests of balance and democracy we've even published a pro-Shepherd piece from the one Mag who has contacted us to express support for the hierarchy. This is issue is without question the angriest but probbaly most important we've produced in the life of true faith. Of course there is the usual stuff to compliment the slaughtering of our leaders - Thru Black & White Eyes, The End, Faith of Our Fathers, Rumours, Half Truths and Lies, Look Back in Anger (The Rock & Dole Years and the third and final part of our interview with CASUALS author Phil Thornton within our Sub-Culture section. There is a return from the News From Nowhere Column and remembrance of a dim and distant trip to Eastern Europe bya band of Mags. This isssue is a mere £2 and you'd all be proper mugs not to get your paws on 48 full colour pages (nee adverts) of commentary, information, opinion and views on the club we all love. Keep On, Keepin' On ...

Palermo?

At least we've got an easy game next week to lift us out of the bottom 3.

Carr? yeah.

You remind me of a song by Kosheen, it had words that went something like "it's all in my head," it just about sums you up.

Carr?

You very much doubt it? After finishing 7th in the Premiership we attract a Man City reserve on a free, a Rangers regect after the transfer window has closed and a Man U kid on loan and you doubt it. You need a reality check.

I'm only going to address one point in your post, as it's not directed toward me. The point about not buying in summer 2003 has been brought up LOADS of times and I've responded to it LOADS of times, I may be wrong but I think you've posted this comment before and I've replied to you before. You could have the decency to at least make an effort to address my response to your comment. Here it is again... <snip> This has already been done to death. The facts show the club speculated to move from the Gullit mediocrity to a CL qualifying place by spending nearly £50m quid net in the 32 months prior to summer 2003, it's also a fact the club lashed out millions in January 2003 on Woodgate, something that is always ignored by those who babble on about summer 2003. From Jan 2001 ( ish ) through to summer 2003 the wage bill increased massively as well because we'd speculated by bringing in nearly a dozen players in 32 months under Robson, with only 2 reserve players leaving the club for very small fees. <snip> Thanks in advance Where does this net figure of £50 million in 32 months come from? I've just added up the figures which came to £38.2 million and that included Woodgate. Here's what I can see and your figure doesn't match what this shows. http://www.nufcmismanagement.info/shepherd-spend.html Average transfer spend under Freddy Shepherd Newcastle's transfers in 2006 Spent: £15.14m, Sold: £8.5m (Net: £6.64m) Newcastle's transfers in 2005 Spent: £49.3m Net, Sold: £18.4m (Net: £30.9m) Newcastle's transfers in 2004 Spent: £9m, Sold: £19.4m (Net: -10.4) Newcastle's transfers in 2003 Spent: £9m, Sold: £0 (Net: £9.0m) Newcastle's transfers in 2002 Spent: £18m, Sold: £.6m (Net: £17.4m) Newcastle's transfers in 2001 Spent: £18.3m, Sold: £6.5m (Net: £11.8m) Newcastle's transfers in 2000 Spent: £17.4m, Sold: £16.59m (Net: £0.81m) Newcastle's transfers in 1999 Spent: £34.6m, Sold: £25.8m (Net: £8.8m) Newcastle's transfers in 1998 Spent: £26.0m, Sold: £10.4m (Net: £15.6m) Total Net transfer spend £90.55m Average Net transfer spend £10.06m Managers Annual Net Spend Under Shepherd Kenny Dalglish: 1 year, £15.65m Ruud Gullit: 1 year, £7.625m Sir Bobby Robson: 5 years, £5.947m Graeme Souness: 1 year, £30.9m Glenn Roeder: 1 year, £6.64m

Some people also said it was the wrong decision and pointed out that the club were putting all eggs into one basket and so it has been proven. Signing Owen has not been a brilliant signing so far. bring back Rob MacDonald and Tony Cunningham eh, signings sanctioned by the board you think is the same as the one who buy England players like Owen. If Shepherd stays at the club much longer then that's the standard you might have to get used to.

I honestly think we wouldn't be bottom three, probably above middle but below European qualification.

Summer transfer window mean anything? Not in our case.