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I'm pleased we have had a relatively quiet day. No takeover news, no amnesty, no Bein sports, I think we all needed that. We needed a cool down.

I think many people feel that Independent journalists are a bit hypocritical, when a Saudi investor part owns the company. I thought that journalists' work not being dictated by the owners of their outlets would be seen as a good thing but you live and learn. He could try and get a job at another newspaper, since hes so principled. And if he does that, how does it change the situation at NUFC or whether it's right or wrong for these guys to own the club? It doesn't at all, it's just a lazy cheap point scoring exercise to avoid discussing the actual issue. Play the ball, not the man. I'm talking about him being a hypocrite and why I find it annoying and I've made my point. It doesnt change a thing on the ownership issue. But it makes him a hypocrite and in the process annoys me. Why do you change the subject? I can, on the one hand, see someones point of view but on the other see them as a hypocrite because of it. Do you want to talk about the morality of Saudi ownership or hypocrisy? I've put aside the ownership issue and said it's fair enough that people feel uncomfortable but I'm not having someone telling me what I should think or do when they dont themselves take a stand. I take Neesys point that the guy might have tried to get a job at a newspaper, and fair play if he did. I doubt it. It's not hypocrisy though. His position, as I understand it, is: Newcastle fans are going to benefiting from Saudi money, and so should speak out against their human rights abuses while doing so (at the match etc). That's exactly what he's doing. He's taking a wage from a newspaper part owned by Saudi money, and speaking out against their human rights abuses while doing so. He's practising what he preaches. It's literally the opposite of hypocrisy. I dont agree. Hes working for (and by proxy, supporting) the very people who he says we should snub. I've never doubted his knowledge on the subject fwiw. I also think we all play apart in the horrid game. Every time I get petrol, I'm probably supporting them in some way. It's just this time, i might get some glimmer of joy out of my football club. I know its selfish but that's just how I feel. He doesn't say they should be 'snubbed' though, in fact the main thing he advocated that people had a problem with was a protest at the games themselves which is exactly in keeping with his circumstances. I think that's unrealistic, there's just no history of political protest in this country at football, but it's certainly not without precedent. Bayern Munich supporters at the moment are being extremely vocal on the club's relationship with Qatar. :thup:

Jeez, is it getting hot in here? Peace and love to you all. You are all good people. Let's be nice.

I think many people feel that Independent journalists are a bit hypocritical, when a Saudi investor part owns the company. I thought that journalists' work not being dictated by the owners of their outlets would be seen as a good thing but you live and learn. He could try and get a job at another newspaper, since hes so principled. And if he does that, how does it change the situation at NUFC or whether it's right or wrong for these guys to own the club? It doesn't at all, it's just a lazy cheap point scoring exercise to avoid discussing the actual issue. Play the ball, not the man. I'm talking about him being a hypocrite and why I find it annoying and I've made my point. It doesnt change a thing on the ownership issue. But it makes him a hypocrite and in the process annoys me. Why do you change the subject? I can, on the one hand, see someones point of view but on the other see them as a hypocrite because of it. Do you want to talk about the morality of Saudi ownership or hypocrisy? I've put aside the ownership issue and said it's fair enough that people feel uncomfortable but I'm not having someone telling me what I should think or do when they dont themselves take a stand. I take Neesys point that the guy might have tried to get a job at a newspaper, and fair play if he did. I doubt it. It's not hypocrisy though. His position, as I understand it, is: Newcastle fans are going to benefiting from Saudi money, and so should speak out against their human rights abuses while doing so (at the match etc). That's exactly what he's doing. He's taking a wage from a newspaper part owned by Saudi money, and speaking out against their human rights abuses while doing so. He's practising what he preaches. It's literally the opposite of hypocrisy. I dont agree. Hes working for (and by proxy, supporting) the very people who he says we should snub. I've never doubted his knowledge on the subject fwiw. I also think we all play apart in the horrid game. Every time I get petrol, I'm probably supporting them in some way. It's just this time, i might get some glimmer of joy out of my football club. I know its selfish but that's just how I feel.

No. They could have done something and they didn't. And you know something that really pisses me off in life in general and not just football? People who 'care' enough to make a big show to everyone else that they care but don't care enough to actually do anything. I think these points you're making are being shoehorned in tbf like. He made a perfectly fair point and didn't have a go at anyone for their own position, yet you've felt it necessary to make out that he was in order to make a wider point about virtue signalling, which wasn't happening here. Theres tonnes of virtue signalling going on, not just from people in here. Is it bollocks. Not a single person on here has chastised anyone else for not making the same personal decision that they have. The Saudis are human rights abusers and we shouldn't want them owning the club, any arguement to the contrary is either wrong, irrelevant or "whataboutery". Its condescending to anyone who also has a brain, has also weighed up the pros and cons, who had also heard of sports washing before this thing.

Funny enough, I'm less miserable now that I dont have Newcastles results dictating my happiness.

No. They could have done something and they didn't. And you know something that really pisses me off in life in general and not just football? People who 'care' enough to make a big show to everyone else that they care but don't care enough to actually do anything. I think these points you're making are being shoehorned in tbf like. He made a perfectly fair point and didn't have a go at anyone for their own position, yet you've felt it necessary to make out that he was in order to make a wider point about virtue signalling, which wasn't happening here. Theres tonnes of virtue signalling going on, not just from people in here.

Yeah, it looks like we will be losing quite a few people from the football section if this takeover goes through.

I think many people feel that Independent journalists are a bit hypocritical, when a Saudi investor part owns the company. I thought that journalists' work not being dictated by the owners of their outlets would be seen as a good thing but you live and learn. He could try and get a job at another newspaper, since hes so principled. And if he does that, how does it change the situation at NUFC or whether it's right or wrong for these guys to own the club? It doesn't at all, it's just a lazy cheap point scoring exercise to avoid discussing the actual issue. Play the ball, not the man. I'm talking about him being a hypocrite and why I find it annoying and I've made my point. It doesnt change a thing on the ownership issue. But it makes him a hypocrite and in the process annoys me. Why do you change the subject? I can, on the one hand, see someones point of view but on the other see them as a hypocrite because of it. Do you want to talk about the morality of Saudi ownership or hypocrisy? I've put aside the ownership issue and said it's fair enough that people feel uncomfortable but I'm not having someone telling me what I should think or do when they dont themselves take a stand. I take Neesys point that the guy might have tried to get a job at a newspaper, and fair play if he did. I doubt it. Put this where it belongs, not stinking up the rest of the forum.

I think many people feel that Independent journalists are a bit hypocritical, when a Saudi investor part owns the company. I thought that journalists' work not being dictated by the owners of their outlets would be seen as a good thing but you live and learn. He could try and get a job at another newspaper, since hes so principled.

Dont bite Prophet. It's a trap, turn around and walk out of the door.

This takeover isnt being announced in a couple of weeks like. May 1st is a week on friday? I'd be shocked if it isnt done by Monday morning. Yeap. Good spot. Tells a great deal.

It's all PR. I doubt Bein believe they are going to influence this thing but they will enjoy ruffling a few feathers.

In here.. In here.

Does mean that our game against Man City is now a derby match?

Good old sky sports. None of this Bein Sports shite. Always liked Sky me.

:lol:

I wonder if we will here something from the Saudi government on this. They arent going to be happy with the accusations.

Sheffield United have a Saudi prince as owner, however they aren't owned by the Saudi government. Amnesty have only come out today, when we're almost finished the deal. Man Utd/Liverpool never got nearly as close as this. Are we seriously trying to suggest now that Amnesty International are also biased against Newcastle? He's still part of the extended royal family, government and royal family are the same thing there. I'm not trying to suggest bias but where was the outcry from them at Qatar being granted the World Cup? Here. Here and here Out of interest did they write to the Premier League when Fosun took complete control of Wolves? China have arguably a worse HR record than SA. I can't find anything. Do you think the British state own Newcastle United currently? This shite needs to be kept in the other thread.

Or not

Erm, he said Sunday but nice rant. Its BS anyway.

Yeah, Imagine the moment when Ashley sat down with Charnley and made it clear that Rafa was a nuisance and that he didnt want his contract renewed. Did Charnley sit there and argue the point to Ashley? Or did he just roll over like a bitch and let Rafa go? It's hard to imagine a person allowing such terrible decisions for the club to happen and feeling sympathy. Hes been there through all of Ashley's tenure too, Keegan, Kinnear, Pardew, the lot. Did little Lee do his bit to steer the club in the right direction or did he comply with his boss and steer himself up the ladder?

With respect it’s because with a lot of merit those arguments are irrelevant, ignore the issue and are tantamount to yeah it’s bad but what about...?’ Sheffield United have investment from Saudis but not the the ones who are definitely in charge of bombing Yemen and called for killings pretty much directly. Governments of Russia, China, Vatican City or whoever aren’t buying football clubs. If there isn’t a difference then it smacks of cognitive dissonance. How is pointing out that our own government sells arms to these people "ignoring the issue". I dont think I have heard one fan say, "love the saudis, me, stand up people." Most of us are just saying; with respect, why should I feel guilty about being owned by the Saudi government if our own government is prepared to deal/welcome them? It's absolutely relevant in my eyes and people using "whataboutery", are avoiding debate.

Might seem largely irrelevant but Caulkin mentioned how Staveley was already talking about contributing to the local NHS.