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Dont do it to yourself. Just dont.

Totally, I can see why they would want in, not why the 80% stakeholders would want them in. Had the Saudis started this project, then they probably wouldnt have been included. However, it was Staveleys brain child and the reubens were part of the consortia before SA. Presumably they have a key role to play in regeneration.

From a business point of view it would be a no brainer, especially in the short term (4/5 seasons).

Was going to post this yesterday but dont like Micheal Martin particularly.

Was so far up Freddie's arse that he was almost signing the checks himself. He acted like the Oracle of the north and was extremely annoying, as well as ugly as fuck. But he did often have the inside line, despite the odd hilarious mistake (Brett Emerton). Wonder whatever happened to him.

"As early as next week". Almost came. Pure guesswork mind

Lee Ryder has blocked loads of people. Lee Ryder isnt up to speed with what is going on. Anyone think those two statements might be related? His only reply to anything is, "the club made no comment." You know he will be the first to tell us about a takeover. He has some twat in admin at SJP who leaks him a statement 10mins before everyone else. Other than that, hes useless.

Say more stuff.

Lol.

You have the right to speak out against the Saudi regime and not attend NUFC matches anymore - thats the extent of your power to change things unfortunately No it isnt. He could lobby the government, lobby the PL around the morals of foreign ownership and any number of other things. Whether he chooses to do that is entirely up to him. It's ok to dislike the Saudi government and also want your club to do well. Lobby the government ? Lol ! The British government ? The one currently selling arms to the Saudi regime as it has done since its ( British inspired ) inception ? Have a word with yourself ... Protesting by it's very nature is futile. There are people who have spent their whole life protesting issues close to their heart without ever making a dent. You dont do it because it's easy, you do it if have strong beliefs. Make your mind up ffs Eh? Exhibit A . No it isnt. He could lobby the government, lobby the PL around the morals of foreign ownership and any number of other things. Exhibit B . Protesting by it's very nature is futile. There are people who have spent their whole life protesting issues close to their heart without ever making a dent. Shall i walk you through it again ? You are genuinely an idiot arent you. Protesting is something people can do because they feel passionate about something. It's also something which many find futile because of it's very nature (trying to change the mind of someone set on a certain course of action). The decision on whether to protest shouldn't be based on how likely it is you are to succeed but whether you feel passionate enough in the first place. Lol im not the one holding two diametrically opposed opinions No, you are the one holding two diametrically opposed brain cells.

Actually you can, and absolutely everybody does. I care more about the morality of the NUFC ownership than I do the Uber ownership. I care more about the wrongdoings of the British state than I do the wrongdoings of the Tajikistan state. Campaigners who dedicate their lives to combating domestic violence care more about domestic violence than they do climate change. No human can possibly dedicate the same level of investment into each and every moral outrage. Picking and choosing is the only option, and if you reject that then you're arguing no-one should ever express any sort of moral concern about any act, which would be perverse. My argument isn't righteous indignation against the world, it's the Saudi side of things, you can't say it's close to home so you will be outraged by this but not about UK Government arms sales, usage of petrol, uber, Twitter, lyft, Snapchat, Deezer, the list goes on, all in use over here and I'll bet most of you if not all have used something on that list. Again, I want to reiterate I'm not defending the Saudis and I'm not saying this is ok, but I'm not about to jump on my moral high horse and vilify NUFC and boycott when I can finally reconnect when I regularly use Twitter, petrol, etc.. and have never been vocal about government involvement. My personal opinion is that I'd be a hypocrite to do so. So you lads would hate to be hypocrites but are happy to continue to support sportswashing of murderous regimes using your own football club? nice one. At least you're not hypocrites. Hows that hypocrisy? No one is advocating supporting the Saudi regime. I'm saying that going to football match is no more supporting the Saudis than say, filling your car full of petrol or any number of other activities. The post you agree with claims hating on the saudi's but still buying petrol is hypocrisy. I'm shocked you both find NUFC being owned by these people more palatable than being seen as a hypocrite. I don't think it's hypocrisy either way. I want to argue with you but I'm completely lost with our conversation. I can see you are passionate about human right and this very topic and that's honorable. I hope you find some way of enjoying your football whilst sticking with your principles. Peace and love brother. fair enough man, I won't flog a dead horse. Just think if you could have the perfect owner for our wonderful football club, would it be one who owns it so they can get away with killing people they're meant to look after? If you say no, you essentially agree with why we all think this is a bit shit. Hey look, in an ideal world KK was a trillionaire and we would all be happy but sadly England 2020 is well entrenched in a dance with the devil. Hopefully the Saudi's use their Western links as a platform for change and reform and not merely as whitewashing of their human rights issues. I hope you continue your protest against them and I hope someday change can be made. I meanwhile, wont be unveiling a Saudi flag or wearing a headscarf because I dont think that's appropriate. I will be watching Newcastle hoping we can win some games (mainly from a pub), with no propping up intended.

You have the right to speak out against the Saudi regime and not attend NUFC matches anymore - thats the extent of your power to change things unfortunately No it isnt. He could lobby the government, lobby the PL around the morals of foreign ownership and any number of other things. Whether he chooses to do that is entirely up to him. It's ok to dislike the Saudi government and also want your club to do well. Lobby the government ? Lol ! The British government ? The one currently selling arms to the Saudi regime as it has done since its ( British inspired ) inception ? Have a word with yourself ... Protesting by it's very nature is futile. There are people who have spent their whole life protesting issues close to their heart without ever making a dent. You dont do it because it's easy, you do it if have strong beliefs. Make your mind up ffs Eh? Exhibit A . No it isnt. He could lobby the government, lobby the PL around the morals of foreign ownership and any number of other things. Exhibit B . Protesting by it's very nature is futile. There are people who have spent their whole life protesting issues close to their heart without ever making a dent. Shall i walk you through it again ? You are genuinely an idiot arent you. Protesting is something people can do because they feel passionate about something. It's also something which many find futile because of it's very nature (trying to change the mind of someone set on a certain course of action). The decision on whether to protest shouldn't be based on how likely it is you are to succeed but whether you feel passionate enough in the first place.

Actually you can, and absolutely everybody does. I care more about the morality of the NUFC ownership than I do the Uber ownership. I care more about the wrongdoings of the British state than I do the wrongdoings of the Tajikistan state. Campaigners who dedicate their lives to combating domestic violence care more about domestic violence than they do climate change. No human can possibly dedicate the same level of investment into each and every moral outrage. Picking and choosing is the only option, and if you reject that then you're arguing no-one should ever express any sort of moral concern about any act, which would be perverse. My argument isn't righteous indignation against the world, it's the Saudi side of things, you can't say it's close to home so you will be outraged by this but not about UK Government arms sales, usage of petrol, uber, Twitter, lyft, Snapchat, Deezer, the list goes on, all in use over here and I'll bet most of you if not all have used something on that list. Again, I want to reiterate I'm not defending the Saudis and I'm not saying this is ok, but I'm not about to jump on my moral high horse and vilify NUFC and boycott when I can finally reconnect when I regularly use Twitter, petrol, etc.. and have never been vocal about government involvement. My personal opinion is that I'd be a hypocrite to do so. So you lads would hate to be hypocrites but are happy to continue to support sportswashing of murderous regimes using your own football club? nice one. At least you're not hypocrites. Hows that hypocrisy? No one is advocating supporting the Saudi regime. I'm saying that going to football match is no more supporting the Saudis than say, filling your car full of petrol or any number of other activities. The post you agree with claims hating on the saudi's but still buying petrol is hypocrisy. I'm shocked you both find NUFC being owned by these people more palatable than being seen as a hypocrite. I don't think it's hypocrisy either way. I want to argue with you but I'm completely lost with our conversation. I can see you are passionate about human right and this very topic and that's honorable. I hope you find some way of enjoying your football whilst sticking with your principles. Peace and love brother.

You have the right to speak out against the Saudi regime and not attend NUFC matches anymore - thats the extent of your power to change things unfortunately No it isnt. He could lobby the government, lobby the PL around the morals of foreign ownership and any number of other things. Whether he chooses to do that is entirely up to him. It's ok to dislike the Saudi government and also want your club to do well. Lobby the government ? Lol ! The British government ? The one currently selling arms to the Saudi regime as it has done since its ( British inspired ) inception ? Have a word with yourself ... Protesting by it's very nature is futile. There are people who have spent their whole life protesting issues close to their heart without ever making a dent. You dont do it because it's easy, you do it if have strong beliefs. Make your mind up ffs Eh?

You have the right to speak out against the Saudi regime and not attend NUFC matches anymore - thats the extent of your power to change things unfortunately No it isnt. He could lobby the government, lobby the PL around the morals of foreign ownership and any number of other things. Whether he chooses to do that is entirely up to him. It's ok to dislike the Saudi government and also want your club to do well. Lobby the government ? Lol ! The British government ? The one currently selling arms to the Saudi regime as it has done since its ( British inspired ) inception ? Have a word with yourself ... Protesting by it's very nature is futile. There are people who have spent their whole life protesting issues close to their heart without ever making a dent. You dont do it because it's easy, you do it if have strong beliefs.

Actually you can, and absolutely everybody does. I care more about the morality of the NUFC ownership than I do the Uber ownership. I care more about the wrongdoings of the British state than I do the wrongdoings of the Tajikistan state. Campaigners who dedicate their lives to combating domestic violence care more about domestic violence than they do climate change. No human can possibly dedicate the same level of investment into each and every moral outrage. Picking and choosing is the only option, and if you reject that then you're arguing no-one should ever express any sort of moral concern about any act, which would be perverse. My argument isn't righteous indignation against the world, it's the Saudi side of things, you can't say it's close to home so you will be outraged by this but not about UK Government arms sales, usage of petrol, uber, Twitter, lyft, Snapchat, Deezer, the list goes on, all in use over here and I'll bet most of you if not all have used something on that list. Again, I want to reiterate I'm not defending the Saudis and I'm not saying this is ok, but I'm not about to jump on my moral high horse and vilify NUFC and boycott when I can finally reconnect when I regularly use Twitter, petrol, etc.. and have never been vocal about government involvement. My personal opinion is that I'd be a hypocrite to do so. So you lads would hate to be hypocrites but are happy to continue to support sportswashing of murderous regimes using your own football club? nice one. At least you're not hypocrites. Hows that hypocrisy? No one is advocating supporting the Saudi regime. I'm saying that going to football match is no more supporting the Saudis than say, filling your car full of petrol or any number of other activities.

You have the right to speak out against the Saudi regime and not attend NUFC matches anymore - thats the extent of your power to change things unfortunately No it isnt. He could lobby the government, lobby the PL around the morals of foreign ownership and any number of other things. Whether he chooses to do that is entirely up to him. It's ok to dislike the Saudi government and also want your club to do well. This is the crux of it. We can do nothing, and shouldn't want to, to affect change in the lives of the Saudi people. All we can do is petition our own government to stop assisting. Hard to do that when you're celebrating in a top that advertises their business interests. Others have protested for years about our relationship with Saudi Arabia. It's a key partner in the middle east, I suspect that no government would give that up for strategic reasons. Most western governments will look to change Saudi from outside, rather than sanctions or military threat. To an extent it is working, SA are moving forward albeit slowly. Like I say I'd like to learn more.

Wasnt there a BBC doc about Saudi Arabia, "house of Saud," or something? I'd be interested in learning more, to tell you the truth.

You have the right to speak out against the Saudi regime and not attend NUFC matches anymore - thats the extent of your power to change things unfortunately No it isnt. He could lobby the government, lobby the PL around the morals of foreign ownership and any number of other things. Whether he chooses to do that is entirely up to him. It's ok to dislike the Saudi government and also want your club to do well.

Actually you can, and absolutely everybody does. I care more about the morality of the NUFC ownership than I do the Uber ownership. I care more about the wrongdoings of the British state than I do the wrongdoings of the Tajikistan state. Campaigners who dedicate their lives to combating domestic violence care more about domestic violence than they do climate change. No human can possibly dedicate the same level of investment into each and every moral outrage. Picking and choosing is the only option, and if you reject that then you're arguing no-one should ever express any sort of moral concern about any act, which would be perverse. My argument isn't righteous indignation against the world, it's the Saudi side of things, you can't say it's close to home so you will be outraged by this but not about UK Government arms sales, usage of petrol, uber, Twitter, lyft, Snapchat, Deezer, the list goes on, all in use over here and I'll bet most of you if not all have used something on that list. Again, I want to reiterate I'm not defending the Saudis and I'm not saying this is ok, but I'm not about to jump on my moral high horse and vilify NUFC and boycott when I can finally reconnect when I regularly use Twitter, petrol, etc.. and have never been vocal about government involvement. My personal opinion is that I'd be a hypocrite to do so.

I'm all for protesting about the Saudi regime but that starts at Parliament square, not at SJP and by all types of people, not just football fans. ... and for every journalist who writes a story on it, let's see whether their other political views are aligned the same way or whether they are hypocrites politicising football. Politics and Middle Eastern politics even more so, is incredibly complex m. It cant be explained in a couple of enlightened sentences on a football forum, nor can it be changed by one politician.

Actually you can, and absolutely everybody does. I care more about the morality of the NUFC ownership than I do the Uber ownership. I care more about the wrongdoings of the British state than I do the wrongdoings of the Tajikistan state. Campaigners who dedicate their lives to combating domestic violence care more about domestic violence than they do climate change. No human can possibly dedicate the same level of investment into each and every moral outrage. Picking and choosing is the only option, and if you reject that then you're arguing no-one should ever express any sort of moral concern about any act, which would be perverse. So you can pick and choose? Thank fuck. I choose to ignore Saudi oppression and instead concentrate my concerns on why my local kebab shop has ramped the prices up by 50p in a year.

Anyone get the feeling Martin Samuel has played a blinder. Sat around his desk showing the interns how to get clicks?

Aye I bet you are Mr Misery. Not an iPhone, chinese made item or t shirt made by a 9 year old anywhere near your house. Proper Ghandi.

depends on how comfortable one is calibrating their moral compass by the british government tbh You have a point.