dcmk

i'd guess it's easier to identify good players than to actually persuade them to come to your club when you quite possibly aren't the best option. you never know carr may even have a hand in this, who knows ? 'Best option'.. based on what mere speculation? We offer them a bigger wage then they were on at France. That's basically accounts for 95%+ of whether we sign them or not. It's Carr who actually shortlists these players who fit the clubs current needs and whether or not they are within our reach with the budget constraints, etc. Like before, Carr seems to be the main cog in recruitment. This magical mysterious man that you mention didn't just get Sissoko to agree a 40k-odd a week deal and turn a blind eye of an offer of 80k a week that he could have got at x, y or z.

graham carr may be good at identifying ther talent, it's whoever persuades them to come and it seems like it may be a long process as our interest in the likes of sissoko. m'biwa, cisse was know well in advance, you have to assume the work to get them was being put in then....whoever is doing that is the true hero of the story. No, disagree. There has to be a 'find' for anything to subsequently happen. i'll disagree in turn, anyone could see the talent in sissoko, m'biwa, ben arfa, cabaye,debuchy... many on here did. making them want to come here, now that IS a talent. There are scouts that spot good talent ie Carr with the Tiote, Bassong, Santon and Sissoko recommendations, who seemingly always gets his picks right, and there our scouts / managers out there who dont, and have bought utter dross unsuited for the Premier League, in Bebe, Veron, Boumsong, Arshavin, Reyes, Cheyrou (next Zidane), etc. Every one of Carr's picks have turned out pretty mint imo you seem to want to give the majority of the credit to the players agent and Pardew in the recruiting department. tbf we don't really know who really spots them. has he found them all his self ? has he been reccomended them by others ? there is a thing on here for thinking if a players good he's carrs, if he's crap he's not carr's without any proof at all. what i was saying was that although players like ben arfa, m'biwa, sissoko could all realistically have gone to clubs in better positions, probably for bigger wages someone from our club persuaded them to come here and it seems like a long term plan we have with each player. that person, wheteher it's charnley,lambias, pardew or carr is the top man of the piece for me. Recently the club has lost many transfers by the sounds of it because of better clubs and bigger wages putting a spanner in the works, what's your point there? At the end of the day he is the chief scout and he is the one who shortlists the targets and has a 50% say on who to persue IIRC i believe Llambias has confirmed this. You just seem a bit put out that Carr get's all this credit and believe there is someone else more deserving of praise. Without the initial find or shortlisting by Carr, this 'unsung hero', may well be bringing in the likes of Carlton Cole. many ?remy and de jong. pales compared to the strike rate and the ones we got are even more surprising as they are the ones you'd think would have had the cash thrown at them and the ones we'd been linmkied with for a while, almost as if others knew they'd agreed to come here already. Yea and any sign of more money under their nose and the transfer is dead in the water. Remy picked an almost relegation certainty over us, Kevin Gameiro would rather be a 4th choice striker than have been a probable starter here. Modric and Arda Turan i also seem to remember picked money over us. You're just a bit hung-up on the praise of Carr, maybe it is OTT on here, he works within the parameters set and gets a suitable list together to go over with Pardew and like or not he is the main cog in our recruitment strategy.

graham carr may be good at identifying ther talent, it's whoever persuades them to come and it seems like it may be a long process as our interest in the likes of sissoko. m'biwa, cisse was know well in advance, you have to assume the work to get them was being put in then....whoever is doing that is the true hero of the story. No, disagree. There has to be a 'find' for anything to subsequently happen. i'll disagree in turn, anyone could see the talent in sissoko, m'biwa, ben arfa, cabaye,debuchy... many on here did. making them want to come here, now that IS a talent. There are scouts that spot good talent ie Carr with the Tiote, Bassong, Santon and Sissoko recommendations, who seemingly always gets his picks right, and there our scouts / managers out there who dont, and have bought utter dross unsuited for the Premier League, in Bebe, Veron, Boumsong, Arshavin, Reyes, Cheyrou (next Zidane), etc. Every one of Carr's picks have turned out pretty mint imo you seem to want to give the majority of the credit to the players agent and Pardew in the recruiting department. tbf we don't really know who really spots them. has he found them all his self ? has he been reccomended them by others ? there is a thing on here for thinking if a players good he's carrs, if he's crap he's not carr's without any proof at all. what i was saying was that although players like ben arfa, m'biwa, sissoko could all realistically have gone to clubs in better positions, probably for bigger wages someone from our club persuaded them to come here and it seems like a long term plan we have with each player. that person, wheteher it's charnley,lambias, pardew or carr is the top man of the piece for me. Recently the club has lost many transfers by the sounds of it because of better clubs and bigger wages putting a spanner in the works, your point is moot there. At the end of the day he is the chief scout and he is the one who shortlists the targets and has a 50% say on who to persue IIRC i believe Llambias has confirmed this. You just seem a bit put out that Carr get's all this credit and believe there is someone else more deserving of praise. Without the initial find or shortlisting by Carr, this 'unsung hero', may well be bringing in the likes of Carlton Cole.

graham carr may be good at identifying ther talent, it's whoever persuades them to come and it seems like it may be a long process as our interest in the likes of sissoko. m'biwa, cisse was know well in advance, you have to assume the work to get them was being put in then....whoever is doing that is the true hero of the story. No, disagree. There has to be a 'find' for anything to subsequently happen. i'll disagree in turn, anyone could see the talent in sissoko, m'biwa, ben arfa, cabaye,debuchy... many on here did. making them want to come here, now that IS a talent. There are scouts that spot good talent ie Carr with the Tiote, Bassong, Santon and Sissoko recommendations, who seemingly always gets his picks right and there are scouts / managers out there who dont, and have bought utter dross unsuited for the Premier League, in Bebe, Veron, Boumsong, Arshavin, Reyes, Cheyrou (next Zidane), etc. Every one of Carr's picks have turned out pretty mint imo you seem to want to give the majority of the credit to the players agent and Pardew in the recruiting department.

graham carr may be good at identifying ther talent, it's whoever persuades them to come and it seems like it may be a long process as our interest in the likes of sissoko. m'biwa, cisse was know well in advance, you have to assume the work to get them was being put in then....whoever is doing that is the true hero of the story. No, disagree. There has to be a 'find' for anything to subsequently happen.

the Rooney bandwagons proven to be a dud re one of worlds best players and they seem desperate for someone playing in the prem to be one of the best in the world I think it's as simple as this, coupled with the fact that he's British. It's cringeworthy, but if it adds a zero to his price when we eventually sell him then I guess I'll have to live with it. His style (on the pitch, anyway) is more attention-grabbing than Wilshere, who is probably the only other young British player with the potential for the same level of hype. Maybe Walcott, but he has never seemed to get the credit I think he deserves. We had a discussion about Bale and Waddle on the boards the other day, and I still think rate Waddle higher, although if Bale keeps improving then who knows? Frankly, it's just someone else for the media to build up, then knock down. Or maybe build up, then try to get sold to a club more "deserving" of his talents. Total waste of time reading it/listening tbh. It's reached a bit of a head over the last couple of weeks just because he has scored some cracking goals. Well if you're right then Zaha, if he can at least scoresa goal or two next season, will be taking over the spotlight in the near future.

Serhiy Rebrov

Dennis Rommendahl

The biggest worrying thing imo is Pardew had to convince them that this team deserved another year together, effectively saying that they wanted to cash in on an asset. Since its incredibly unlikely that we will be qualifying as high as last year, who is to say that this old line of thought won't reappear in the summer but now with a stronger case behind it?

Andres d'Alessandro

Warms their bench

Can't help but misassociate Llambias with this guy http://alturl.com/rcd6q

Well he was an ex-player so he was liked a little bit more than most managers are.... Tbf to them though Di Matteo should have never been sacked. Perhaps, but he should never have been given the job. Done nothing at all to warrant it - come on, as if man sacked by West Brom would get the job at Man City or ManU - wanting to challenge for the title. They really are a laughing stock with this DiMatteo obsession, it's on a whole other level to us with KK and not as warranted in the slightest. Eh? As a temporary manager won them the Champions League and FA Cup within half a year of taking over, not to mention his achievements there as a player. They are right to feel aggrieved, the first poor run of form and Roman forgets all that and replaces him with Rafa Benitez of all people. I'd say a cup run is not much of a basis to judge a manager, especially when it wasn't even all the cup! How many games did they involve, considering AVB had taken them much of the way? And Benitez is a way more accomplished manager than DiMatteo. Edit: 4 games in the FA cup and 4 ties in the CL, culminating in a penalty shoot out. Meanwhile taking them to 6th in the league. He was hired in March and a worse run than AVB, I think hiring him was silly (a la Roeder). I don't think we are going to agree and i don't really quite understand why you would suggest Chelsea fans are a laughing stock because they are aggrieved with Di Matteo's sacking. But like it or not Di Matteo, yeah he did have a shit CV pre-Chelsea, but as an interim manager he impressively got them 2 major trophies and that coupled with being a legend there as a player, it's going to instill some loyalty from the fans. He deserved to have been given more time from Roman, that is what annoys them. It doesn't even remotely compare with Roeder tbh. They probably have more right to be 'obsessed' with him in your words than Keegan is with us fans.

Well he was an ex-player so he was liked a little bit more than most managers are.... Tbf to them though Di Matteo should have never been sacked. Perhaps, but he should never have been given the job. Done nothing at all to warrant it - come on, as if man sacked by West Brom would get the job at Man City or ManU - wanting to challenge for the title. They really are a laughing stock with this DiMatteo obsession, it's on a whole other level to us with KK and not as warranted in the slightest. Eh? As a temporary manager won them the Champions League and FA Cup within half a year of taking over, not to mention his achievements there as a player. They are right to feel aggrieved, the first poor run of form and Roman forgets all that and replaces him with Rafa Benitez of all people.

From what I have seen of them recently Chelsea have been very good away from home. Can only see us losing 1-3.

I've heard him shout 'keep it! keep it' numerous times.

I wouldn't say i'm pro Pardew, but personally I want to see him finish this season before making any sweeping judgement. He deserves that after last season and personally I am sick to death of the managerial carousel at our club. The team has gone through one really bad patch of form and suddenly there should be drastic change? It's clear he has all the support and respect of the whole dressing room. How many of our previous managers have had that? If he went who would we appoint? Be Terry Venables or someone of that ilk. A common line I have seen in this thread has been 'Pardew is a coward', 'shits himself when his team is in front, loses his bottle and tries sit on a lead.' - It's a complete myth. Just take a look at last season: Chelsea (A) 2-0 Stoke (H) 3-0 Bolton (H) 2-0 Swansea (A) 2-0 Liverpool (H) 2-0 WBA (A) 3-1 Blackburn (H) 2-0 Manchester United (H) 3-0 Those fixtures were just from January 2012 until May 2012, they're the only ones that i could be bothered to dig out. All those wins suggests that he didn't sit on the lead back then and didn't stop playing after being ahead. So why accuse him of that if it's not true? Something has changed yes, but the blame is better pointed at the players. From the above it's obvious that a part of the problem this season is with their confidence, it has been massively hit by the bad run of form. It led them to collapse against Reading and nearly again yesterday - but all the criticism from this is on 100% on Pardew - it's almost unthinkable to blame the players in anyway. His subs have been somewhat of a problem in these games but that completely absolve the players for collapsing. Yesterday, when the opposition asserted some pressure the team dropped noticeably deeper and deeper and no-one looked like they wanted the ball. Especially after a few hefty Villa challenges, their aerial prowess and their constant closing down it's all something that really unsettled us. So i can even understand Shola's introduction, I hate the guy, but can sort of see the logic, as at least he would stay further up front and not look to drop deep like Cisse was doing the entire second half. Before Shola's introduction, when we weren't in possession i couldn't believe that Cisse was almost back in the right back position on a few occasions. When we are playing with one striker that falls right into the opponents hands. The positives that i can see for Pardew are that he wants the team to play good football - we haven't been playing 'hoofball' for over two months now. He does seem to recognise the weak areas of the squad (Simpson, Williamson, Jonas - publicly) and has replaced them this month with genuine quality. Undoubtedly has the support of the dressing room and the top of the hierarchy and also has on his CV that he led a weaker squad within a few points of a Champions League position.

^^^ posted whilst 2-0 up, having played some superb football Playing with 10 men with jonas on the pitch...... Yeah that's why he played a key factor in the second goal.

I don't honestly believe we will get relegated. I think we have too many talented individuals (when all fit) who are capable of pieces of magic that will get us enough points at the end of the day. The vast majority of people on here might disagree but i don't believe he has lost the dressing room even slightly, for that and for what i stated just above - i don't think we should get rid of him. Who can be 100% sure that it won't p*ss off the players? Usually former players are the first ones to slam an ex-manager and it's quite telling that Barton and Guthrie seem to like and respect him. I wouldn't say i'm pro Pardew - far from it, but i really don't like the idea of getting rid of him right now because you just know the replacement will be an old dinosaur of a manager. There just isn't an ideal solution imo.

Ottmar Hitzfeld

..yeah that's why Cisse misses chance after chance

Charles N'Zogbia please.

Senegalese Jon Stead?

We were all saying the same about KK.

We have played enough football since the Stoke game to suggest he deserves until the end of the season. This place at times can get very over emotional. All managers have their ups and downs, you can see Pardew is striving to play football. The only player guilty of long ball is constantly Williamson and Simpson. Who Pardew looks to be seeking to improve upon.