Unbelievable

Gylfie

Yep.

This game

Dat bounce

Hull

Dat defending

Yeh, hate when people say it's the cowards way out. That's not what LIIWBY is saying though, is it? I agree with him that (attempting to) commit suicide by causing an accident involving innocent others is not, on the face of it, a very social thing to do. However, it is also clear that people who do this are not thinking straight, so it's hard to judge really. I saw a very moving documentary the other day about a girl who was going to commit suicide and that followed her preparations. She planned the whole thing meticulously, said goodbye to her father and friends (who knew what she was planning) and finally overdosed in exactly the way she had planned. Suicide is always painful of course for everybody involved, but if people feel they are better off that way, I think this is a much more 'honourable' approach. I can not imagine how I would feel if my wife and kids perished in an accident caused by somebody committing suicide. Was this girl terminally ill? No. 20 year old girl suffering from depression. So the documentary crew just stood on and filmed it and watched instead of helping or trying to prevent it? Wasn't a film crew, just the documentary maker with her camera. Also, they obviously didn't film the actual suicide, they filmed the weeks of preparations proceeding it, interviewing her father and friends etc. The documentary maker and father appeared on a Dutch television show too explaining why they had done it, and it was quite moving and understandable to be honest. The project was called "I am letting you go" (in Dutch), and that is exactly what it was. This is the (English text) website of the project: http://bnnz.nl/projecten/ik-laat-je-gaan/en/ That is grim. Wrong on so many levels. How so? That someone has made a documentary film about a young girl's plans to kill herself rather than trying to save her and get her some help. The girl in question was 27, sufffering from borderline personality disorder, chronic depression and insomnia, and had received 9 years of intensive treatment to no avail. She made an informed decision, asked and received support from her loved ones and decided to go along with a short documentary being made of her situation in the hope it could benefit others in the same position. You make it sound like this was a teenage girl taking pills in her school's lavatory and being filmed by a fellow student while she was doing it.

I take your point KI, but surely somebody who for example flings themselves in front of a train on a busy platform, or drives their car into oncoming traffic would be aware of the consequences, not only for themselves but also for other people involved? I understand at that point in time the person (attempting to) commit(ing) suicide is probably not capable of such judgement calls, but then again I presume they wouldn't have felt this urge without a long period of contemplating it. I think this is where the self-euthanasia from the documentary I referred to comes in. In the past decades, medically assisted euthanasia has become more accepted in the Western world (certainly over here in Holland anyway), but it remains a very difficult subject, with anybody helping another person in their suicide attempt liable to criminal charges. In my opinion, euthanasia should be a viable option not only for people who suffer physically, but also those who suffer mentally to the point that they feel their life is not worth living anymore, and after (sufficient) professional treatment has proven to be ineffectual.

Beautiful!

Dear me. I don't think he's ever seen Siem de Jong play if he fancies him to be our new #c_____klaxon

It's pretty evident that there is more than one person to blame for what's become of this club like.

Southampton do sign some good players. He was a talented player, but he has lost his way completely. Not expecting much.

Get in! Hope he starts against Man U

Summer binge drinking with sun burn. It's the only logical explanation.

Thing is, there are thousands of people who created the Cardiff atmosphere - myself included - who have racked it in to be replaced with 'fans' who think that Pardew is doing an OK job. I'm struggling to see how that atmosphere - brilliant in its sheer venom - can be replicated. Everybody who has given up their ST and is sick to the back of their teeth about how the club is being run joins forces top attend one home game to cause havoc and get the rest of the crowd going.

Oh right

Gouffran. Ah yes, Jonas may be ready for his token reappearance to make Pardew look good to the media and can take over Gouffran's excellent defensive work on the wing, which in turn allows Gouffran to come into the centre of the pitch to sit right in front of the defence. Can't wait.

All these clubs bringing in loan players to fill in the gaps left by players going to the ACON. I wonder how we will handle the absence of Tiote, Abeid and Cisse.

United of Newcastle anyone?

Wot What the fuck does that mean?

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