Parky

On the upside, 'tough talking' is normally the last throw of the dice. Fingers crossed.

No seeing as I think we need a whole new squad. Yes things are that bad. The players we should persevere with are Martins, Dyer, Zoggy and Owen if he stays...The rest need to start fighting for their places which will only happen under new management with a decent budget.

Is that you Udo? No lets not let Roeder build the team and NO he doesn't have the right ideas.

If it were ONLY a conspiracy we had to deal with Dave. What we have is an enigma - hidden in a puzzle wrapped in a Greggs pasty bag.

The other way round surely? Gemma as youth team coach? All Mars bars and happy faces.

He needs to cut his management teeth at another club and then we should see how he is doing.

Tbf he was doing very well at Aberdeen before ManU and on a shoestring budget.

Good article. But there is a simple solution and one big step forward in the right direction cures a lot of nerves....Get a decent management team. Aye well, if only. /You wouldn't believe the caliber of manager Shepherd can attract. Prepare to be pleasently surprised! FF should hire an management intervention team for 6 months to look at what needs changing at the club and also take advice on the new appointment.

Only thing worth commenting on tbh. No, to be fair I agree with the vast majority of your post. I had much the same arguement against accepting mediocrity with Yorkie last night. http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=37479.msg746372#msg746372 Aye that's spot on too. As sick as we all are of the managerial merry go round, that's not an argument for sticking with a man who isn't up to the task. Bite the bullet, get rid, and this time at least attempt to get it right - we didn't do that last time at all, we just settled for the easy option. If we don't make changes asap we are fucked long term. All of the ground we gained when Keegan and Robson were here has already been lost. Either we do something now to make it back up, or we fall further (perhaps to the point where it's irretrievable) behind. We need a whole new management structure with the right man at the head and he needs to be given 3 years minimum. The whole backroom needs clearing out and FF should get a DOF who will act as a sounding board on key areas....ie avoid the purchases of Bumsnag and Owen etc...

Good article. But there is a simple solution and one big step forward in the right direction cures a lot of nerves....Get a decent management team.

....and then suddenly as if by magic the money............stops!! incorrect parkster relegated slubs gets a parachute payment in the order of 10's of millions the winner of the championship gets 1 million TV companies are overpaying and it is reliant on other factors like the adv they can draw to the marquee...Simply saying that TV money isn't something (at the current levels) that we should take for granted forever. The market has a habit of correcting itself.

....and then suddenly as if by magic the money............stops!!

"It's " also, strangely enough, "been a Newcastle Glenn Roeder trait. It's unacceptable, I hate it, but that has been the truth." There, fixed it for you. :angry7:

You don't blame the defenders, get a grip. Hunty was shite in defence, Bramble and Taylor had poor games, all defenders, or do you see it differently? I am talking about a general problem which has been there all season. So, yes, I do. If you think that buying a better defender or two will enable the team to pass, move and force the pace of the game and dominate games more, then you should get a grip. Anyway, you spend enough time telling people - or me- that we don't have the money, so - get a grip. The vast majority of goals that teams concede are errors, but the bigger picture is a team problem, because you defend from the front and we are doing ourselves no favours by being poor in possession and giving the ball away cheaply all over the pitch. Players at this level CAN pass. They CAN compress play, they DO understand how to move forward as a unit........I wonder what the problem could be then? Not well enough at this level ? Or a poorly setup team with no quality up front ? There's nowt worse for ANY defence than spending too much time desperately defending, which is what happened on thursday, and has happened too many times this season, especially against the better teams. Playing these teams and forcing the game on them, and holding the possession over them, is the day we are matching them. For me this is the core of the problem. Roeder doesn't really know how to get a team to play to a style consistently, I suspect he has a general idea who should be doing what, but beyond that he is incapable of stamping some kind of cohesive vision on our game. I think his main problem, lately, has been lacking the courage to choose between Parker and Butt. If he does that, the shape of the team is different. And fairly obviously, Zoggy should be starting instead of Duff, who Roeder is being too loyal to now, and we need to find out why he isn't performing the way he has in the past. In spite of the Dutch being a team of quality, we had gained a 2 goal lead and could have got through, if we had played better and scored a goal, and the chances of doing so would have been raised a lot with a properly balanced and more offensive midfield. Assuming the players also turned up of course, which didn't happen - again. Agree. Emre of Dyer have to play in the middle along with a DM whoever he chooses (I'd rather have Butt atm). There aren't enough juices flowing or grey matter ANYWHERE in this side it is solemely lacking any kind of leadership in any area. The bare level of acceptable creativity is gone as soon as Dyer or Emre don't start, Dyer especially has impressed me recently with his movement and calling for the ball and IMO the ATM role is primed for him if Emre isn't playing or is off form. I would have started Zoggy and Milner in that game. I suspect Duff will never be the player he was 4/5 years ago again, although in saying that he has the qualities to make good contributions once we can get him start playing...IMO he will never be a matchwinner as he use to be...MOurinho sees this very quickly and gets rid of him. In Parker and Duff we have bought two players who had lost the ability to compete for a first team spot at their former clubs albeit Chelsea, we have whacked them on astronomical wages and it will a devils job getting rid or getting them to play at their best under the likes of Roeder.

im talking about the animals on the childs t-shirt. I think there Tigers not Lions you prat.

Is THAT your reason for keeping him on? THAT is my opinion. I think he is a very capable coach - i think he knows how to improve players. And i think he has done a creditable job by steadying the ship that was sinking miserably under Souness, and he's still got Souness' squad to be fair, but for three arrivals (only one having worked out bigtime). How is he a very capable coach....? It's an unwitten rule in football that after a sacking players tend to play for their lives. There is nothing in his history to say he should be a PL manager....NOTHING...ZILCH...

I still don't beleive it was HIS IDEA to buy Martins....

Why do you think its called 'The Den' fuckwit? mackems.gif

Struggling to think of good English managers in recent history tbh..

Is THAT your reason for keeping him on?

You don't blame the defenders, get a grip. Hunty was shite in defence, Bramble and Taylor had poor games, all defenders, or do you see it differently? I am talking about a general problem which has been there all season. So, yes, I do. If you think that buying a better defender or two will enable the team to pass, move and force the pace of the game and dominate games more, then you should get a grip. Anyway, you spend enough time telling people - or me- that we don't have the money, so - get a grip. The vast majority of goals that teams concede are errors, but the bigger picture is a team problem, because you defend from the front and we are doing ourselves no favours by being poor in possession and giving the ball away cheaply all over the pitch. Players at this level CAN pass. They CAN compress play, they DO understand how to move forward as a unit........I wonder what the problem could be then? Not well enough at this level ? Or a poorly setup team with no quality up front ? There's nowt worse for ANY defence than spending too much time desperately defending, which is what happened on thursday, and has happened too many times this season, especially against the better teams. Playing these teams and forcing the game on them, and holding the possession over them, is the day we are matching them. For me this is the core of the problem. Roeder doesn't really know how to get a team to play to a style consistently, I suspect he has a general idea who should be doing what, but beyond that he is incapable of stamping some kind of cohesive vision on our game.

He's done shite, most of his problems are not related to injuries, they haven't made life easy for him as having Owen would have covered up for a lot of Roeders inadequacies. Here's my assessment of him and what he should be judged on. Use of Transfer Windows - Shite. Team selection - Shite Motivational skills - Shite Tactics - Shite Use of substitutes - Shite Training methods (judged on performances) - Shite Have I missed anything? ....his communication skills aren't all that either.

I'm not interested in average regardless of the circumstances. NO money? Look at Reading...Injuries? All teams in the PL have them and to key players....But they have paid attention to the squad...Glenn didn't. He will fail time and time again when the chips are down. There are some outstanding individual performances that have got us wins....Nothing more.

You don't blame the defenders, get a grip. Hunty was shite in defence, Bramble and Taylor had poor games, all defenders, or do you see it differently? I am talking about a general problem which has been there all season. So, yes, I do. If you think that buying a better defender or two will enable the team to pass, move and force the pace of the game and dominate games more, then you should get a grip. Anyway, you spend enough time telling people - or me- that we don't have the money, so - get a grip. The vast majority of goals that teams concede are errors, but the bigger picture is a team problem, because you defend from the front and we are doing ourselves no favours by being poor in possession and giving the ball away cheaply all over the pitch. Players at this level CAN pass. They CAN compress play, they DO understand how to move forward as a unit........I wonder what the problem could be then?

Show me some evidence why Glenn should have the job in the first place? Winning CV? Track record of good management?