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As much as I hate him, I'm not sure who would take his place on the bench at the moment. Saviet?

More info coming to light today, the low from the daily mail but first published in the Sun. It might ad a little more justification to the use of taser? Perhaps him ripping his tube out causing blood loss contributed to his cardiac arrest? (if in fact that was what killed Atkinson.- Brother Kenroy told how Atkinson, who had been suffering depression after dialysis treatment for kidney failure, tried to strangle his elderly father Ernest at his home in Telford, Shropshire. Kenroy, 53, told The Sun: 'My brother had lost it. He was in a manic state and depressed — out of his mind and ranting. He had a tube in his shoulder for the dialysis and he had ripped it out and was covered in blood. 'He got dad by the throat and said he was going to kill him. He told dad he had already killed me, our brother Paul and sister Elaine and he had come for him. He was not in his right mind.'

i know you're police and might take this the wrong way but are there many examples of this happening in the UK police force? i'm by nature fairly suspicious of organisations with as much power and ability to close ranks as the police and army, can't ever recall hearing about police being nailed to the cross for excessive force or whatever in high profile cases, maybe it just never makes the news or i've just missed it (if so no aggro intended, is an honest question) People get sacked/disciplined all the time for various things. Most forces publish the details online. It isn't the 1970's any more, everything is open to scrutiny. yeah sure, it was the high profile stuff i mentioned specifically...i barely follow the news nowadays but weren't there a few cases of suspicious deaths in custody and so on not long back (a few years)? were they all deemed legit? I don't know which deaths you refer to. The IPCC website will probably have your answer.

i know you're police and might take this the wrong way but are there many examples of this happening in the UK police force? i'm by nature fairly suspicious of organisations with as much power and ability to close ranks as the police and army, can't ever recall hearing about police being nailed to the cross for excessive force or whatever in high profile cases, maybe it just never makes the news or i've just missed it (if so no aggro intended, is an honest question) People get sacked/disciplined all the time for various things. Most forces publish the details online. It isn't the 1970's any more, everything is open to scrutiny.

Like myself, you have no idea of what actually caused his death. Well unless you personally conducted his post mortem examination. The taser might have caused his death, the taser might not have caused his death. Nobody knows at this stage. Likewise none of us know enough about what actually went on to say whether the use of taser was justified or not. Well that's bollocks. Cardiac arrest caused his death. I do know that the police are often over zealous in using force. I do know that there are clear associated risks associated with the use of tasers. As such they should only ever be used as a last resort in my opinion. I know that this is often not the case. Aye, it's possible he might have had an unrelated heart attack at exactly the same time they tasered him, but I think we're safe to assume it was the taser. Its not safe to assume anything. The taser might have caused his death, it might not have. Its use might have been perfectly reasonable, it might not have been. What is certain is that the IPCC will be all over it and I assure you if any officer has done something wrong they will be nailed to the cross buy the IPCC for it. If it was a cardiac arrest many things could have caused it - The media reports he had health problems and had been having dialysis, they also report he was drunk. Perhaps it wasn't the best idea to get drunk with such health problems? Perhaps this caused his heart to stop? Perhaps he had some kind of injury which caused his heart to stop? Perhaps he had took a drug such as cocaine which caused his heart to stop? Perhaps he was in a state of excited delirium which caused his heart to stop? My point is that I don't know, the media don't know and posters on internet forums don't know. People are far to quick to jump to conclusions before they know the full facts of what went on. The Daily Mail publishing things like "tasered to death by police" doesn't help. People believe what they read in the media even if it turns out to be wrong. What never happens in these situations is seeing a senior police officer saying what happened and defending officers actions (if of course they are defensible). One thing that will be quickly known if if the tasered 5 times stories are true - Tasers record how many times they are activated and for how long. I am sure the IPCC will have already downloaded this information.

What do you suggest then ?

Like myself, you have no idea of what actually caused his death. Well unless you personally conducted his post mortem examination. The taser might have caused his death, the taser might not have caused his death. Nobody knows at this stage. Likewise none of us know enough about what actually went on to say whether the use of taser was justified or not.

How do you know what caused his death?

from the Sun - comments from his dad. Today his dad Ernest, 85, told how his son flew into booze-fuelled rage shortly before he was tasered by police. Speaking yesterday from his home, he said: “He was in a real state. “I don’t know if he was drunk or on drugs but he was very agitated and his mind was upset. “The last thing he said to me was ‘don’t move’ when the police came to the door. “He was threatening and very upset. I didn’t call the police but someone else did. “He got tasered in the street outside in the road. I didn’t see him but I saw a flash. I haven’t had any sleep and cannot take it in. “The police are dealing with this now.” Looks like theres a bit more to it than the police just tazering a man going about his daily business.

Rafa on BBC website recons 2 bids have been turned down for perez this summer.

I see Charlie Insomnia was actually playing for them in a friendly yesterday.

This useless shyte still here?

Delle Ali

Is he still here?

Free Ticket Makems?

I saw it and sorted it getting removed..

What a prick. I dint notice the dance at the time. Pub preparation was more pressing.

get in

arrrrggghhhhhh

Pardew referred to himself as "England manager" in an interview on the radio this morning. Made my head explode.

Howay man, ashley was there because he is a spurs fan!

Is he scratching his ball sack in that photo?

Is he gone yet?

why does Rolando go into the crowd to celebrate? You have been relegated you brain dead idiot.

I predicted a 6 - 0 defeat today with the rest of the squad joining Gini on his holidays.