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So there is no difference at all between a personal decision to walk out of a job and getting the sack? Righty-Ho

So there is no difference at all between a personal decision to walk out of a job and getting the sack? Righty-Ho

Comparing apples and oranges there. SBR didn't walk out he was sacked.

Now, yes. Two years ago, no. Times change. I'm an old fart (born in 65) so in my lifetime they have won the League, FA Cup, League Cup (twice) Charity Shield (twice) and the old Cup Winners Cup. During the same period we have won the Fairs Cup and that's it. I have to say they are bigger than us overall but definately these days with their current owners.

Which was live on Tyne Tees.

Why not let them buy the league? Everyone else who ever won it has.

Disagree. Again it's a short term high thing we see from promoted coaches. In the first season he did very well, but that may have had a lot to do with a certain Mr Gazza. We finished 8th. Then sold Gazza and brought in four players, who all on paper looked good buys, but it went wrong, and we ended up going down that year and even Jim Smith couldn't save us when he replaced McFaul late in the season. A good manager is able to sustain a level of performance out of his players, more often than not a coach stepping up that does well initially sees his side fall away when the players stop "Playing for the guy", this happens because their mate got the job, so they are excited about that for a while. However over time he becomes just "the boss" and mentality changes. It's hard to step up and it's probably not the "player's choice" that makes the best manager. Indeed he did very well in his first season - I for one thought finishing 8th was fantastic. But as you say Gascoigne was sold (not Willies decision by any stretch of the imagination) yet players like Goddard were brought in who was a tidy player imo (tho obviously not in Gazzas class) I think your memory is a bit iffy aswell because he got sacked in October just after we won 2-1 at Anfield for the first time in decades.

Fraser McFaul did a decent job with the resources at his disposal.

hahahaha class! ;D Local lad Seymour Mace is in that at 0.30

It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club. "failed manager"...what after 8 games? Do i think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? Not sure, but he did sign Owen! On a free. As a squad player.

It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club. Stopped reading after 'failed manager' tbh. Managers these days are judged on the dealings more than anything else which pretty much blows your suggestion out of the water Scholes isnt as effective as he used to be, does Fergie peddle him out, no! Shearer still did a good job for the team during his final years, even though his pace limited his effectiveness compared to how he used to be. Had the management at the time kept Bellamy or someone of his like (not including Owen as by that point his game wasnt about pace) he would have been very effective. His contract extention was nothing to do with records! If Shearer gets appointed and he is given free rein for 4-5 years i have no doubt that we will be challenging the top end of the premiership again! I think if that happens in 4-5 years you'll still be sick. EDIT - I was going to leave it at that but the players you name are absurd comparisons. Shearer would have foolowed the path of Cole, Van Nistelrooy or Dwight Yorke - show the door when they became 2nd best. As for Scholes he is a SQUAD player, not an automatic first choice for the team. Owen is a good piece of business because: A he cost them nothing as opposed to the £17 million we shelled out B He's on a fraction of the wages we were paying him. BTW do you seriously think Owen will be allowed to finish his career at Old Trafford or will he be moved on if he doesn't come up to scratch for them? Also if the contract extention had nothing to do with records can you tell me what else Shearer has actually achieved here?

It beggars belief that anyone calling themselves 'sicko2ndbest' would want a failed manager back to have another go. You need to face a few facts. 1 If Shearer had went to any truly big club in 1996 would that club have begged him to extend his contract so he breaks the club record, despite winning nothing else? OR 2 Do you think Fergie would have peddled him after the edge went off his game ? The whole reason we are second best is clinging onto people like Shearer. Don't forget he had a big part to play in Bobby getting the sack. It's time to finally wash our hands of this guy and move on as a club.

No fucking way the team was worse than shite for those last 8 games last season.

yes 7 points from 9 is s*** alright he's s*** He's better than the last clown we had as manager Didn't think Shearer was that bad tbf. If he'd gotten us 7 points from the 8 games he was in charge we would still be in the premiership. Can't blame him for that, completely unmotivated overpaid c***s is pretty much all he had at his disposal. If you really think Hughton is better than Shearer (pretty much guarantee we'd be winning games down here with Shearer too) then you need to book yourself a place in a loony bin. You said it yourself, they were unmotivated. Who's job is it to motivate them? They appear to be just the opposite these days with a much weakened squad.

No. We almost signed Terry then Abramovich came in. We got Woodgate 6 months later.

I think you're confused mate, or pissed. I wasn't trying to convey any point here. I was simply correcting Hobbs who'd forgotten to include Robson's PSV and Sporting dismissals dishonest, shut-up man You might as well stick his clubs he played for in aswell then, that has as much relevance as anything else you've typed. And the dishonesty bit comes from cleverly editing a post in reply to me, rather a transparent tactic

Ronaldo show the post in full where you and hobs talk about Bobby getting sacked as if it's in any way relevant to Keegan's habit of walking out on clubs. Or continue to look dishonest if you prefer.

hows that ? we didn't have the money to provide what he wanted,he walked. why couldn't he cut his cloth like the every other manager has to ? how,-- gratuitous indulging in Keegan bashing, then he returns , we are good,= they are twats. come on you understand this. it doesn't matter who the person is i'll slag them off when they do something to be slagged off for and applaud accordingly when they deserve it. i'll not defend someone to the hilt without evidence especially if i know they have previous. Praise the lord, sense at last. What's Keegan done he should be slagged off for though? Yeah, yeah he should've stayed with a lopsided squad when his pleas were going unheard. - Walked out on Newcastle, had to be persuaded to return - Walked out on Newcastle again - Walked out on Fulham - Walked out on England - Walked out on Manchester City - Walked out on Newcastle again. Regardless of what he has achieved, we can't just ignore the above. Bobby Robson - Sacked at Fulham Sacked at Barcelona Sacked at Newcastle Regardless, still one of the greatest. Sacked at Sporting Lisbon Sacked at PSV Do you cretins know the difference between walking out on a club and getting sacked by one?

hows that ? we didn't have the money to provide what he wanted,he walked. why couldn't he cut his cloth like the every other manager has to ? how,-- gratuitous indulging in Keegan bashing, then he returns , we are good,= they are twats. come on you understand this. it doesn't matter who the person is i'll slag them off when they do something to be slagged off for and applaud accordingly when they deserve it. i'll not defend someone to the hilt without evidence especially if i know they have previous. Praise the lord, sense at last. What's Keegan done he should be slagged off for though? Yeah, yeah he should've stayed with a lopsided squad when his pleas were going unheard. - Walked out on Newcastle, had to be persuaded to return - Walked out on Newcastle again - Walked out on Fulham - Walked out on England - Walked out on Manchester City - Walked out on Newcastle again. Regardless of what he has achieved, we can't just ignore the above. Bobby Robson - Sacked at Fulham Sacked at Barcelona Sacked at Newcastle Regardless, still one of the greatest. Yes because he never walked out on anyone. What a stupid comparison you bring up.

I don't think the 'bairns' on here can remember him walking away 3 times.

You are either a really shitty wind up merchant or completely off your tits. There's a world of difference between Jose and Hughton. The guy makes Roeder look like he's full of backbone. Hughton simply does not have the relevant attributes to ever make it as a manager of people. How the f*** do you know that. If Sir Bobby's translator can go from being just that, to being one of the best managers in the world, why can't Chris Hughton. I'm not saying that he will but ffs , the lads got masses of experience and we now look like were playing with a bit of team spirit again. don't you think the players at the club know who this guy is. Are they not professional Jesus christ. Have you not learned from his abject performance last season when he took on the job, or the recent memories of a stronger jellyfish in Roeder being given the job. He is not a bloody manager, end of story. You could say the same about Shearer.

^ He was also called 'the translator' during the same period to mock his management abilities.

yes 7 points from 9 is s*** alright he's s*** He's better than the last clown we had as manager Didn't think Shearer was that bad tbf. If he'd gotten us 7 points from the 8 games he was in charge we would still be in the premiership.

yes 7 points from 9 is s*** alright he's s*** He's better than the last clown we had as manager

And Jason Cook, the future of comedy.