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TBH that was a tough place to go, and the way Sheff Utd played, which was very physical, we showed great character to get a result. It wasn't vintage, in fact it was poor, but the players application was spot on and we defended really well when we needed too. The only players I think who shouldn't be proud of the job they did were Jonas (who never got into the game at all), Taylor (who looked shakey and careless, but made up a little for it with the shot that deflected in) and Butt (who was just Butt I guess). The rest deserved the marks people have given them.

Did you write to your MP when Ashley was ripping apart the Club, did they debate his destructive ownership in the commons ? This is so f***ing ridiculous, that something so inconsequential, and trust me the naming of a bloody football stadium is inconsquential, gets people off their arses to act more than all the s*** we've had to put up with for the last year or so. f*** off you thick arsehole. I'm not going to spell it out for you again. No whjy don't you f*** off you f***ing rude son of a f***ing bitch, who won't listen to other opposing view, instead wants to ram down their throats his own. Total f***ing dick head iyam. No need for that man. Jeezus. But there was a need for him to throw the first stone was there and for you to applaud him Yep, you had a go at me for giving the link for the site where they could contact their MP if they wanted. Did I have a personal go at you, did I call you something ? Sorry I missed that! Enjoy your double standards, I've a meeting to go to.

I think you're missing the point. This is a culmination of ill feeling, it isn't just about the stadium name. He got off quite lightly with the Keegan ruling and relegation because he was 'selling' the club and we thought he was finally on the way out. No one is directing vitriol towards him simply because he's trying to sell the name of the stadium but because this is the latest thing he has done to show contempt for the fans. There's a bigger picture. No I'm not missing the point at all. It's a bloody name, who cares, honestly. Is it going to make us play any worse on the field, no. Everyone is playing the it's a tradition card, but at the end of the day, it's something that making the apathetic folk act more than the countless other acts of plain madness Ashley has done to this club, acts that have caused way more damage. You are missing the point. This may be the act people are focusing on because it's the first time since the club was taken off the market (again) he's stuck two fingers up to the fans. That's why it's been seized on. You're making the very naive assumption that the fans are purely losing their rag over this - they're not. This is simply the culmination of the anger that has been boiling over the past 12 months since he last attempted to sell the club. It probably would've happened earlier but we've been on the market. I'm not going to argue the toss with you. If you can't see that this is one of many things our support is furious about then you're a bit of a flid. OK how many times am I going to have to say this, I'M NOT MISSING THE f***ing POINT. At the end of the day, this renaming is the thing that's got people worked up enough to act, not the far worse crap he's done before this, again you're hiding behind a culmination of evnts line to fit your argument. Do you seriously believe had none of what had happened before - the sacking of Keegan, relegation etc. occured that people would still be so worked up about the name change? Of course not, don't be so bloody stupid. You are so missing the point. lol.

Did you write to your MP when Ashley was ripping apart the Club, did they debate his destructive ownership in the commons ? This is so f***ing ridiculous, that something so inconsequential, and trust me the naming of a bloody football stadium is inconsquential, gets people off their arses to act more than all the s*** we've had to put up with for the last year or so. Surely you realise they're quite different situations. What are the gov't. going to do about poor management? Ther won't be a whole lot they can do about naming rights either trust me.

Did you write to your MP when Ashley was ripping apart the Club, did they debate his destructive ownership in the commons ? This is so f***ing ridiculous, that something so inconsequential, and trust me the naming of a bloody football stadium is inconsquential, gets people off their arses to act more than all the s*** we've had to put up with for the last year or so. f*** off you thick arsehole. I'm not going to spell it out for you again. No whjy don't you f*** off you f***ing rude son of a f***ing bitch, who won't listen to other opposing view, instead wants to ram down their throats his own. Total f***ing dick head iyam. No need for that man. Jeezus. But there was a need for him to throw the first stone was there and for you to applaud him

Did you write to your MP when Ashley was ripping apart the Club, did they debate his destructive ownership in the commons ? This is so f***ing ridiculous, that something so inconsequential, and trust me the naming of a bloody football stadium is inconsquential, gets people off their arses to act more than all the s*** we've had to put up with for the last year or so. f*** off you thick arsehole. I'm not going to spell it out for you again. No whjy don't you fuck off you fucking rude son of a fucking bitch, who won't listen to other opposing view, instead wants to ram down their throats his own. Total fucking dick head iyam.

I think you're missing the point. This is a culmination of ill feeling, it isn't just about the stadium name. He got off quite lightly with the Keegan ruling and relegation because he was 'selling' the club and we thought he was finally on the way out. No one is directing vitriol towards him simply because he's trying to sell the name of the stadium but because this is the latest thing he has done to show contempt for the fans. There's a bigger picture. No I'm not missing the point at all. It's a bloody name, who cares, honestly. Is it going to make us play any worse on the field, no. Everyone is playing the it's a tradition card, but at the end of the day, it's something that making the apathetic folk act more than the countless other acts of plain madness Ashley has done to this club, acts that have caused way more damage. You are missing the point. This may be the act people are focusing on because it's the first time since the club was taken off the market (again) he's stuck two fingers up to the fans. That's why it's been seized on. You're making the very naive assumption that the fans are purely losing their rag over this - they're not. This is simply the culmination of the anger that has been boiling over the past 12 months since he last attempted to sell the club. It probably would've happened earlier but we've been on the market. I'm not going to argue the toss with you. If you can't see that this is one of many things our support is furious about then you're a bit of a flid. OK how many times am I going to have to say this, I'M NOT MISSING THE FUCKING POINT. At the end of the day, this renaming is the thing that's got people worked up enough to act, not the far worse crap he's done before this, again you're hiding behind a culmination of evnts line to fit your argument.

Did you write to your MP when Ashley was ripping apart the Club, did they debate his destructive ownership in the commons ? This is so fucking ridiculous, that something so inconsequential, and trust me the naming of a bloody football stadium is inconsquential, gets people off their arses to act more than all the shit we've had to put up with for the last year or so.

Thought the lad played really well tonight, the effort he put in was huge

I think you're missing the point. This is a culmination of ill feeling, it isn't just about the stadium name. He got off quite lightly with the Keegan ruling and relegation because he was 'selling' the club and we thought he was finally on the way out. No one is directing vitriol towards him simply because he's trying to sell the name of the stadium but because this is the latest thing he has done to show contempt for the fans. There's a bigger picture. No I'm not missing the point at all. It's a bloody name, who cares, honestly. Is it going to make us play any worse on the field, no. Everyone is playing the it's a tradition card, but at the end of the day, it's something that making the apathetic folk act more than the countless other acts of plain madness Ashley has done to this club, acts that have caused way more damage.

I'm sorry if this has already been said, but I've stayed clear of this thread and can't be arsed to go through all 12 pages. Anway, I honestly couldn't give a crap what they call the stadium but on the list of bad things Ashley's done to this club, it's pretty low down for me. What I can't get over is the fact that this renaming has got people's blood boiling and willingness to act more that Ashley's total destruction of our football club, crazy really.

Lets just hope the bloke surprises everyone and actually shows he's capable of managing a football club. I doubt it but we have to support him and give him a chance.

Sounds like another typical performance by us of late, yes lets give the job to Hughton, he's a genius

Interesting point. It has to have made some sort of impact in terms of the way supporters exchange views about the team - not least in terms of broadening the audience beyond just the local press etc. The internet has made everyone an expert on everything. As an aside Keef, as I'm sure you realise, I'm not just talking about complaining about shoddy performances. Coupling that with the point made by Consortium of One about it being like "having a bad case of depression and then going to hang out with a group of people that are just as depressed" gets you thinking really... ...places like this forum can all too easily become incubators of widespread discontent, nihilism and depression or they can become a place that fosters a bulldog spirit, a place where we cheer on not just the team but each other, building solidarity and a shared sense of determination. "I have a dream..." I was speaking to a mate in the pub the other day and he reckoned the internet was the worst thing that ever happened to football. He said you couldn't just enjoy it for what it was anymore and that you couldn't have an opinion on anything without being prepared to viciously fight your corner to defend it. Everything's analysed down to the most minute detail and it sucks all the fun out of it. Interesting point of view. There have been posts on here (arguments) where posters have dredged up something the other person wrote years ago. It's a bit sad really. Well if his mate said so, then this must be true. At the end of the day coming on to the internet your view, or reading others or debating with others is a choice. People have been doing this for years, through other mediums, ie. letter pages of newspaper or just in the pub with there mates. All the internet has done is open up new avenues to debate your point, but people need to take ownership here that it's their own bloody decision whether the chose to take part.

TBH I think there's a lot wrong with the OP. Anyone with any foresight could have seen this bad patch of results coming. You know what, without wanting to sound condesending, but a club of our size should be expecting better results than we have seen lately and we as fans have every right to expect better. As for Hughton, point me in the direction of any post I have made that has been supportive of his management and I'm sure I'm not alone here, most of the less emotionally inbalanced of us has been saying all along he's not up to the job, we just weren't fooled by the early good results.

Oh well off to a 2 hr meeting, by the time I come back this will all be over, sounds like I'm the lucky one right now.

But Smoggies and Cardiff at 23 p. at the moment , Need to keep a gap to them. QPR could also be a team we need to watch, winning again tonight.

Just saw the team....wth ? ? Oh well, I'm hoping for some method in his madness.

Which ultimately is no big deal, despite the hysterics coming from NUFC.com and others. With the continuing impasse regarding the sale of the club, it probably offers Hughton the respect he deserves while not tying down any untried or long contract expensive manager who would take a further chunk of wedge away should a future owner not want them. What makes you think that our present state of uncertainty is temporary and we are just waiting for a new owner to come in, so lets not appoint a manager of any credibility so he doesn't have to sack him ? Need I remind you, that we've been in this uncertain position for well over a year now and there's still no light at the end of the tunnel. We are stuck with Ashley's ridiculous ownership, the least we can hope for is that he appoints people with some sort of clue around him. This club could fall a lot further, we haven't bottomed yet. No, frankly you don't. I know about as much as anyone else right now i.e. very little, hence the theoretical tone of my post. You seem to know. Please enlighten us. What is fairly clear is that no one SERIOUS is remotely interested in buying Newcastle, and honestly who can blame them. A small point about Hughton. You may not think he has "any credibility" but he is very well thought of in football, and getting the start he has out of the team despite the ongoing uncertanties will only have enhanced his stock. I don't think anyone wants him as long term manager, but to dismiss him as lacking credibility is mis-informed at best and malicious at worst. He's got an good reputation within football as a COACH not a manager. He's failed miserably when put in the position as caretaker every time bar this time, which is in a lower division with a squad far superior almost everything else in it. All you do by appointing him permenatly is mean someone will have to sack him eventually whether that be this season because we fail to get up, or early next season because we start to struggle.. Then you lose the good coach you had. There is nothing in this man's make up that suggests he can handle a manager's job, nothing, does he have a spine ? Is he charamatic ? Will he make tough decsision ? Will he stand up to the ownership on matters he regards as important ? Will he be able to tactical out master his opponents ? We he intimidate other managers, like a certain red nosed Scot ? Will he be more than a yes man for a disfunctional ownership ? You really need to read and digest a post before replying. Most of what you have ranted there has already been said and evryone knows he is a COACH not a manager and no one really sees him as a long term appointment. OK it's clear, you DON'T rate him. So who do you think should be our manager in the present situation ? WTF are you going on about ? I'm reply to your point. Isn't that not what debates are supposed to be ? In terms of manager's I would take practically anyone above Hughton tbh, Curbs for example would be an excellent appointment or he could show some balls and appoint Shearer. Ashley's appointing a yes man he knows he can control, and offers him a buffer zone between the fans. I think Dave made an excellent point earlier on in this thread, that just because Ashley's ownership is dicating direction here, doesn't mean we have to be accepting or happy about it.

There's a common theme with Bruce's team, wherever he goes he seems to start off extremely well, but after a while he goes stale and he's teams tend to. That happened at Brum and it was happening at Wigan. I think that's partly why he's moved around so much. Not saying that Sunderland wouldn't roll us pretty badly, the signing of Bent I think is a masterstroke. They are a good prem team now and all credit to Bruce for transforming them form the crap they were last year. But I would worry about longevity of it all, if I were a Mackem (perish the thought).

He appears to have changed his mind again. Or he was bullshitting in the first place. I think he's had a vastly inflated price from the start and no one has come close to matching it; we've clearly not been close to being sold which is very worrying. recession or not people snap up football clubs like nobody's business these days yet we can't attract a half credible buyer for s***. The question has to be asked, why ? Why are we so unattractive to potential buyers ? Surely with one of the largest and loyal support bases in the country, with a huge amount of potential to grow still further with just a modicum of suggest, and despite what the media and other fans tell us, extremely low expectations. Would you not expect then people lining up to want to buy in, crap clubs like Birmingham, Pompey and even Sunderland, have been able to attract buyers, and none of those clubs has the potential that we do.

Which ultimately is no big deal, despite the hysterics coming from NUFC.com and others. With the continuing impasse regarding the sale of the club, it probably offers Hughton the respect he deserves while not tying down any untried or long contract expensive manager who would take a further chunk of wedge away should a future owner not want them. What makes you think that our present state of uncertainty is temporary and we are just waiting for a new owner to come in, so lets not appoint a manager of any credibility so he doesn't have to sack him ? Need I remind you, that we've been in this uncertain position for well over a year now and there's still no light at the end of the tunnel. We are stuck with Ashley's ridiculous ownership, the least we can hope for is that he appoints people with some sort of clue around him. This club could fall a lot further, we haven't bottomed yet. No, frankly you don't. I know about as much as anyone else right now i.e. very little, hence the theoretical tone of my post. You seem to know. Please enlighten us. What is fairly clear is that no one SERIOUS is remotely interested in buying Newcastle, and honestly who can blame them. A small point about Hughton. You may not think he has "any credibility" but he is very well thought of in football, and getting the start he has out of the team despite the ongoing uncertanties will only have enhanced his stock. I don't think anyone wants him as long term manager, but to dismiss him as lacking credibility is mis-informed at best and malicious at worst. He's got an good reputation within football as a COACH not a manager. He's failed miserably when put in the position as caretaker every time bar this time, which is in a lower division with a squad far superior almost everything else in it. All you do by appointing him permenatly is mean someone will have to sack him eventually whether that be this season because we fail to get up, or early next season because we start to struggle.. Then you lose the good coach you had. There is nothing in this man's make up that suggests he can handle a manager's job, nothing, does he have a spine ? Is he charamatic ? Will he make tough decsision ? Will he stand up to the ownership on matters he regards as important ? Will he be able to tactical out master his opponents ? We he intimidate other managers, like a certain red nosed Scot ? Will he be more than a yes man for a disfunctional ownership ?

Which ultimately is no big deal, despite the hysterics coming from NUFC.com and others. With the continuing impasse regarding the sale of the club, it probably offers Hughton the respect he deserves while not tying down any untried or long contract expensive manager who would take a further chunk of wedge away should a future owner not want them. What makes you think that our present state of uncertainty is temporary and we are just waiting for a new owner to come in, so lets not appoint a manager of any credibility so he doesn't have to sack him ? Need I remind you, that we've been in this uncertain position for well over a year now and there's still no light at the end of the tunnel. We are stuck with Ashley's ridiculous ownership, the least we can hope for is that he appoints people with some sort of clue around him. This club could fall a lot further, we haven't bottomed yet.

LOL, I'll take a piece of this thread. FFS where does this club go from here, I'm seriously losing the will to care anymore.

For the record I have always maintained this was a crap division and Hughton was never the right person for the job, I don't think for a moment I was unique in this way of thinking. I think you are talking about a minority on this board, who show zero foresight and are emotionally extremely volitile. This is a bloody idiotic move, just in Ashley's style.