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1 hour ago, nbthree3 said:

OK, so this is another area where I have to give some perspective. “No set-up, no structure is set in stone,” a good source told me on Monday night.

What we have to remember is that although Staveley and co have had plenty of time to study Newcastle’s books, they were under orders from Ashley not to speak to anybody employed by the club until the deal went through. They had met and talked to nobody until last week and had not visited the training ground until Monday. “We need to go in and do a very robust assessment of where the club is at every level and then come back and make decisions,” Staveley said.

While they do that, a report will be put together – what do they want the club to look like, what will the structure be? They have had plenty of ideas in the past, but individuals – like Benitez, for instance – have moved on and so those ideas have never crystallised.

At the same time, they will have to inquire about who might be available, so we can all expect a steady drip of names and stories. They will also be bombarded by agents telling them their clients are available. Some will use the media. Doesn’t mean they’ll be appointed, doesn’t mean they won’t be.

For a variety of complicated reasons, I was told there’s “no chance” of Rangnick coming to Newcastle, but I’m not setting that in stone either yet. I just don’t think the club are at the decision-making stage and won’t be for a while.

 

Is what Caulkin said. If they're not at the decision-making stage no wonder. But if reports suggesting he's interested (as a sporting director but could slot as manager if he committed though he might not want to now) are true I can't see why we shouldn't go for it 

This is interesting and makes a lot of sense, if they are only now just getting an opportunity to evaluate everything from top to bottom. Fair enough.

I think Lampard really wants the job and is letting it be known. Probably placed the bet on himself to create more buzz 

6 minutes ago, Chicane said:

And to rub Levy's face in it the prick

Very good point. We should just enjoy the day really. There's some sort of upside to every outcome.

4 minutes ago, InspectorCoarse said:

Silly talk , whatever else happens we need the points 

You're 100% right, but we already know he's not getting them so I can't even bring myself to think otherwise.

Tell you what, I'll be comfortable with whatever happens come Sunday. If we do somehow manage a win and they start going on about how amazing Bruce is I'll just turn everything off and grit my teeth.

1 minute ago, madras said:

You really think he'd be given longer on the back of Sundays result ?

Hoping we don't have to find out tbh. If he's here Spurs all the way for me.

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Do we know for a fact Bruce would take his coaches with him?

I would hope anyone associated with him from his start here would be flung out.

Jones was a later addition, and has a growing reputation after his work with England this past summer, and so could be kept on in a transition period.

7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

This is it basically. Just whether you think Bruce and his coaches are so harmful that they should be removed anyway. 
 

I personally think so but I can understand why people who don’t despise him might not agree. 
 

Also there’s the emotional reason of the party on Sunday, which won’t be the same at all if he’s there. 

 

 

 

Yeah, I think this is ultimately a big part of it. If Bruce goes and takes his other Steve's with him, it will literally just be Jones and some academy coaches left to look after things in the interim.

Now ... we all know that ultimately that is an infinitely better proposition than Bruce remaining, as nothing could be worse than what he is doing anyway, and his removal alone would be a positive.

However, the new lot cannot possibly understand or appreciate that as of yet, which is not their fault really. They will be thinking there is no point in removing the manager if they haven't sorted the replacement etc yet, especially if they just need another week or so to do so.

13 minutes ago, Lotus said:

Take it you didn’t watch any of Dortmund while he was there then? Tactically naive would be an understatement. He’d constantly encourage about 7 players to play in little triangles all in about a 5 metre square. Once the ball was lost, one pass would put through absolutely ANY player who ran from midfield and give them a direct attack on the Dortmund goal. It was a never ending theme. And he just dug his heels in and tried even more players playing in a tiny space with intricate passes. The kind of stuff that can only come off if they are no opposition players at all. Alas, in Germany there are 2 sides involved in a football match so it failed.

I respect that you see things really differently, but the guy wasn't exactly a bum in Germany. He transformed Gladbach from a bottom feeding club to a Champions League club and did excellent work with an unfancied Nice side in France too. Even at Dortmund he didn't manage to threaten Bayern but he always finished second.

Not sure I understand why you think he's not good enough for Newcastle as we are at the minute. Our current manager is Steve Bruce. A man more concerned about bacon and kebabs than football, who takes holidays to Portugal a few games into the season when the team are hovering around the bottom of the league.

11 minutes ago, Chicane said:

 

If we win it'll be 100x worse

 

His mates in the media will start banging on about how he should be given a chance to spend some money, poor English managers never getting a chance at top clubs blah blah blah

 

They'll ignore the net spend figures this season and claim he's worked on a "shoestring budget" because facts and reality be damned in pundit land

Man, I'm all out pulling for Spurs to go mad and destroy us if he's still here, as you are 100% right, that would be the absolute worst

Cannot even begin to imagine how annoying he is going to be in the media thing tomorrow. All woe is me about how he has been abused and deserves a chance 

I'm at peace with it all now. Let them proceed as they must. They're obviously doing some due diligence with some top people in football, and so in due course things will all play out.

The only thing that is really going to be annoying is that the fans will get painted in a bad light if they have a go at Bruce on Sunday, which will be a real kick in the teeth, as he's been taking the piss out of them since he took the job and it will be exactly what he has been asking for.

1 hour ago, kamakazeee said:

Favre is the most obvious choice. He's a brilliant man manager, tactically very versatile and has done the job/journey we need to go on over next few years in 2 of his previous 3 jobs. (and done it well). He's took the job at Gladbach in a relegation fight and had them in the champions league in 2 years. I also think a quiet, dignified and unassuming manager over the next few years might be just what we need, especially considering how much noise there will be off the pitch.

 

Also, the ASM story is red herring imo, ASM played 38 times in that season they had together., whilst also producing his best numbers, 5 goals and 8 assists. 

This is exactly how I feel, and I know a couple of people have expressed some uncertainty about him in the thread, but I think it's a really good fit at this stage, and potentially further.

The job he did at Gladbach is a huge plus for me, and exactly what we need here initially. And if he can then go on to actually build on that and compete then brilliant. He was also in discussions with both Palace and Everton prior to this season and so I would imagine he's been keeping an eye on the Premier league and should have a good idea about it.

The fact he already also has a good idea of managing our best player is also massive and so there would be no surprises there. He also got the best out of Balotelli while he was at Nice and there is no character more complicated than that guy!

3 minutes ago, Ryan said:

Rafa achieved the same with us in the Championship and he kept it secret until after the game  polar opposite to the clown we have now. 

 

 

‘Rafa Benitez kept his 1,000th game as a manager a secret this week. He passed the milestone just as he wanted – with no fuss, and nothing to distract from Newcastle's 2-0 win at Wigan and return to the top of the Championship.’

To think we replaced Rafa with him man. Urgh.

2 minutes ago, InspectorCoarse said:

Starting to get concerned that no one wants the job . Surely the media should be full of managers dropping hints at the very least ? At the minute theres a weird silence 

People want the job man, chill out

Fair play to Rodgers. Leicester took a punt on him when everyone was writing him off as a bit of a joke and they have backed him really well. Also have that brand new training ground and all. Can't fault him really.

50 minutes ago, Mikky said:

 

Mazroui (Ajax RB)

Zakaria

Rudiger

Is this all down to Covid?! Why are so many of these contracts running out for such decent players?

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I think they are more going that route because of the position we are in more than anything 

Yeah, I'm sure that is the thinking, and I'm good with whatever they ultimately go with.

I just think any half decent manager would easily get the team back on track with 30 odd games and a full window. We'll see what happens.

Just now, Mikky said:

 

Brozovic 

Romagnoli

Tolliso

Insigne

My goodness ... it was the absolutely best time to have been taken over it seems

6 minutes ago, sh74 said:

Looking more likely they want a tried and tested premier league manager. I would be very happy with Rodgers.

I kind of get the prem experience thing, but can't lie would be disappointed if they're putting too much weight on that, as it's so cliche.

A good manager is a good manager, and there are so many interesting options out there and it's such an attractive proposition.

Do the work to identify a quality manager from the many that are available, that should do well enough to comfortably keep us up with 30 games to go and a full transfer window with a healthy budget and lots of decent players available with contracts running down, it can't be that difficult surely.

2 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/125376-brendan-rodgers/page/178/#comments

They seem really sound from that one page. I like Leicester City man, would love it if we could get our own guy in and compete with them with Rodgers staying there instead.

4 hours ago, andyc35i said:

So many good players on a free this summer that I think are achievable:
Franck Kessie

Jesse Lingard 

Boubacar Kamara

Andrea Belotti

Andreas Christensen

James Tarkowski

Todd Cantwell

 

That’s not even thinking about the likes of Sule, Pogba, Mbappe, Dybala, Fati and Demebele

Will be in such a good position to start from January rebuilding the team with top quality without having to go too crazy with transfer fees.

Just now, Abacus said:

May be more of a case of which manager is happy to break their contract, mind.

 

Rodgers has hit a bit of a glass ceiling at Leicester, I think.

Yeah, I know. Rafa would never do it. And because he's started so well and the fans are now on board it just won't happen. Can't believe we were short by a few months to bring the big man back in. 

I mean ... if we're happy to get managers out of their contract then Rafa please.

We are one place from bottom, even if they have to go in to review some film from previous games, get them in

Why is Bruce still in charge of anything to do with the place. Can they please sack this man as soon as possible!

51 minutes ago, Lotus said:

Dortmund have a buy back clause I think. They may well activate it if Haaland goes.

Wow, didn't know that. Would be such a clever move. What a club Dortmund are.