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49 minutes ago, OCK said:

We made ourselves look dumb by openly going after someone already managing a team (while they were on course to win a trophy)

Oh, come off it man. Not having that. 

He had already accepted, and it got leaked and he completely over reacted.

Hope Howe continues to smash his Villa side everytime we play the Dracula faced git.

1 minute ago, Ronaldo said:

How did he make us look dumb? 

All that drama and back tracking when we went for him and questioning why we were interested in him and Howe when they weren't similar or some nonsense. 

1 minute ago, nemtizz said:

 

My bad. Used to watching Bruno and I can't recall the last time he dropped a stinker as bad as Rice did today.

Rice has been class this season. Stop it.

He's also a different type of player to Bruno, playing a different role. His role is not to dictate play for Arsenal.

28 minutes ago, nemtizz said:

 

Great player but he often is in big games.

Stop it man.

32 minutes ago, toon25 said:

 

He's a classy manager. Not a whining little fuckspittle like Arteta

Emery made us look dumb. He's an ass. And I love it everytime Howe batters him.

4 hours ago, STM said:

On the subject of MGW, those saying he will cost 60m...I don't see it.

 

Forest have been breaching PSR, they signed him for 40ish. They can want 60m but they will be under all kinds of pressure to sell him, especially if he makes it clear he wants the move. 

 

I'd actually go as far to say that he's worth the 60m, if that's the high end price. Given what we've done with Gordon at 45m, I'm certain the value of MGW would reflect the cost.

There will be a lot of interest and competition for him. They will get around £60 million for him I believe, unless they get relegated, then perhaps the price comes down.

Jesus can be so poor with his decisions in the final third. Shocking, going for goal with that header.

1 minute ago, HawK said:

 

I've always been told he's meant to be fast, but I don't think I've seen him really use his pace until then. Teams must set up to counter him by playing a bit deeper to negate his pace, and Spurs didn't and we got see him in full flow. Which was nice.

When he plays on the left he looks to cut into space through the middle, and so you don't tend to see him burn people down the sides. It's a plus of him on the right, that he will be in position more to burn defenders on the outside.

That moment he stormed off and got annoyed after being subbed as a sub was key as far as Howe's man management goes.

Howe didn't over react or throw him under the bus when asked about it. He protected him publicly and dealt with it all behind closed doors.

That whole situation could have easily been more of a mess. The way it was handled though, likely garnered even more committment and trust from Gordon that's all a part of him settling down and not being as abrasive.

1 hour ago, David Edgar said:

Only real question mark over Howe from this season if he is capable of preparing a team to play twice a week at the highest level without burning out the squad and increasing long term injury risk. Will just double underline that it is a question and not a definitive "Howe cannot do this" opinion. 

 

He is clearly elite given sufficient prep time for games. And may well be able to do it with a European itinerary with this season being a freak anomaly of injuries.  

This season was his first time ever dealing with it. He would have learned a lot and he will make adjustments you'd imagine.

Regarding Isak I noticed in his press conference after the match, he mentioned that they are managing him during the week as he is the only striker available, as we need Gordon out wide at the minute.

It's the kind of thing that will need doing across the whole squad at times, with more lighter sessions, and more tactic/video work or even more full rest days.

1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said:

I think clubs have got burnt because of goalscorers in the past. So it is etched in fans memories. The same way people view the Eredivisie. 
 

Lots of high profile flops/players that don’t score anywhere near as many.  Top of my head, Ross McCormack, Dwight Gayle, Adam Armstrong for the Champ. Kezman, Alves, De Jong (both) from Holland. 
 

I agree with you that the Championship is perhaps better than it once was and for the right type of player. I don’t think clubs or fans should be put off. 

Yeah, I agree.

There's more that will go into checking that the player will be a good fit for the Premier League and how your team plays etc. Like scouting any other prospect really.

Regarding a lot of the players that flop they tend to maybe not have the physicality required to make the step, or don't have enough versatility to their game and so are quite one dimensional.

3 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

That Whittaker looks an interesting one wonder how much he’d cost, very left footed but can go both ways and certainly knows where back of the net is. 

 

 

 

@Menace mentioned Plymouth signed him for £1 million last summer.

Just having a quick look and there's talk of them wanting £15 million in the summer.

49 minutes ago, black_n_white said:

Would he be any more of an upgrade on having minteh next season? 

I think Minteh should come back regardless as a rotation option. Especially if we get into Europe. But yeah I'd trust Whittaker to be better prepared.

I think I've just come to really respect the Championship as a developing ground for young players now. Performing well there as a young player is a very good sign IMO. It also prepares you best for the physicality of the Premier League.

Look at Gyokeres going from Coventry to Sporting and looking an absolute monster, and now everyone is after him, and he's apparently going to cost around £80 million. They signed him for cheap last summer.

Madison, Grealish, Bowen, Gibbs-White, Eberechi Eze, Ollie Watkins ... all cut their teeth in the Championship and adjusted quickly to shining in the Premier League.

3 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Showing everyone he’s developing plan Bs ?

Has always had them tbf.

In his tactical masterclass video he switched to a three at the back system to smash Chelsea when he was back at Bournemouth.

Changing systems requires the right players available and enough time to drill these changes too.

3 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

I guess it depends what they see as vital to the side. They spend 40+ on Gordon. Will be interesting to see what they do but they’re definitely bringing in a RW I think. 

I really like the other Morgan in the Championship, Whittaker. That would be the equivalent of us getting MGW before he moves to Forest. In fact it would be cheaper, because he isn't owned by a Premier League club, like MGW was.

Whittaker is having an exceptional season. He's tall, strong, quick and cuts in with his left foot from that right side really well, showing some really good technique.

His profile looks right up our street. The only thing I'm not sure of is his defensive contribution, as I haven't paid enough attention to that side.

4 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

How much do you think he’d be now?

They paid £35 million, rising to £42.5 million if all add ons are achieved.

He's  turned 24 this year, and so is still young. He's English too.

Can't see them taking anything less than say £55 million with add ons included.

4 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Mgw would be stupid expensive. 

Yup that ship has sailed, as far as our FFP situation goes.

The time to grab him would have been after that Championship season. 

1 hour ago, Matt1892 said:

I’ve said it on here before how he reminds me of James Milner in his style of play.

That's such a good comparison actually 

Continues into the box man. Should be a penalty.

14 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

According to Arsenal fans we would sell him for the same as we bought him for.

 

 

 

Man Utd fans were saying the same last week. The delusion is astonishing, and quite frankly, embarrassing.

14 minutes ago, Menace said:

They only paid about £1m for him in the summer, not exactly a club flush of money. For £10M+ he'd be a no brainer imo

Very interesting.

The Championship has some talent in there.

I agree. Well worth a go for that price. Could see him coming up and doing what Bowen has from that right side, who is yet another that came up and adjusted very quickly.

We need to get some of these types of guys.

35 minutes ago, Mikky said:

Yep but there will always be players out there 

 

My preference is MGW (CM/RW) - you could take a punt on a Morgan Whitaker but that’s risky - if we can, Sesko.

What price is being quoted for Whitaker? He's had a heck of a season. I like the look of him.

Easy to forget MGW's breakthrough came in the Championship and the next season he stayed at Forest in the Prem and has been great ever since.

1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

Was getting slated in the match thread for poor decision making early on funny old game.

Yeah, thought it was harsh. Though he did hesitate at certain points early on and fluffed some great positions, but he is such a threat.

Great runs into space, gets his head up and finds passes, and is a threat to shoot from range. He's proving to be a great addition, particularly with Gordon looking like he can be just as effective on the right.

Qualifying for Europe would be so big for the likes of Anderson, Miley, Minteh and others staying and getting game time and development next season. Fingers crossed.

Going to be yet another one Howe has nurtured incredibly well.