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I think this is Tiote's only "poor" season since he joined. Was great last year. We had great results. He wasn't great in any sense. Serious?

Colo and Cisse have been brilliant for years and Tiote's hanging off the back of his debut season. Jonas has never been on that level.

One or two usually means nobody or less. Fuck off.

I don't know where to start so I won't bother. Welcome to the forum; good first post.

No idea where you popped up from but that is a brilliant post Welcome to the forum. Was thinking the same, very good. Yeah, but Everton's success is largely built on one of the best managers in the game. We'll never attract anyone like Moyes while these bastards own/run NUFC.

I remember him making a tit of himself against City 2 years back and consequently we were 2-0 down after 5 minutes.

Two of the best performances I've seen in 20 years at SJP.

I'm not saying he's a disgrace per se, but his body just isn't up to football at this pace.

That's got to be league only as I'm sure he had one season where he played more than 40 games in total. It's still disgraceful. You've got to go back to 2008 for the last time he played half the season or more.

By who? A manager who hadn't done his research perhaps.

It was both.

N'Zogbia and Solano did fine in 2005-06.

We get it, dude.

It's been a big problem since we signed Jonas, actually.

Milner, N'Zogbia, Routledge: other clubs wanted them. That's why they're gone and he's still here.

They weren't terrific at all. They were OK. When we win - Jonas's workrate allows us to do so. When we lose - Jonas creates nothing. He benefits from good results far more than we benefit from him.

Ba creates nothing with his physique in fairness. He usually falls over when he goes shoulder to shoulder.

13 in 14, I think.

It's quite possible to keep players behind the ball and still keep the ball on the deck. The good counter-attacking teams do it very well. I don't disagree and I've been advocating a counter-attacking setup for months. Not easy to achieve with Cabaye's absence, Jonas being totally finished and the problems up front.

The Fullham game reminded me of just how poor we can look defensively when our midfield is in front of the ball instead of behind it. I can undestand if not condone why Pardew looks for it to be hit long more times than not.

He's probably up against Ba, Cisse and Ameobi.

As a fan I'm convinced that Ba would be happy playing left of centre as long as he was getting goals and hogging the limelight. He loves being the star player and loves getting goals and I don't have a problem with that because most forwards are the same in that respect. Goals bring him confidence and I don’t think for one minute that it would bother him where he was getting them from, as long as he was getting them, something which didn't happen last season after he was moved. As for what I would do in Pardew’s position, I wouldn’t let a player dictate to me where he did or didn’t play, if that is what’s happening. I’ve managed people for many years and don’t let people tell me what they are or aren’t going to do because if one person can do it then they all can. If you give one person preferential treatment is usually pisses off others and affects the performance of others. Is Cisse p*ssed off because he’s been moved away from a position which he made a success of last season? My guess is that he probably is and it’s preventing him from performing to the best of his ability. Keeping one player happy looks to be causing another player to underperform, the other player is just as good at doing his job as Ba is but he doesn’t moan about it. So in that case keeping Ba happy is being cancelled out by pissing off Cisse. Once again failing to explicitly say what you'd actually do with the team in Pardew's situation if Ba had made such threats. I'm out.

You know what that type of manager would do, he'd attack and get the most out of his assets. Which Pardew did last season, by the way.

You failed to mention how you'd react as a fan to the hypothetical scenario I presented you with. Nor have you said what you'd do in Pardew's position should our worst fears about Ba's self-preserving stipulations be a reality - which they are in all likelyhood.

Neither were particularly effective that season, although Jonas started well enough.