Chris_R

The thing is though the ticket sales alone ARE enough to tip us from profit to loss. It doesn't even need anything else, though obviously there'll be a domino effect and other things will take a hit too, exacerbating the issue further.

Our net transfer spend is fucking zero. He can't reduce it and survive in the PL. If he reduces the transfer budget, our chances of staying up drop dramatically. And then we crash out the PL and then he looses a hundred million a year. Can you see where this is going yet?

Wrong again. If we keep making a loss, and will keep making a loss in the future, he has to either keep taking the loss or has to sell for cheap and write some of the loss off. Like what Ellis Short did. He'll have no choice. If he asks unreasonable amounts for a club with debt, nobody will buy it off him and so it (and therefore he!) will keep making a loss. No failing business has ever had its owner keep the high business value and just tack the debt on and see a successful sale. History is replete with examples of businesses being sold for nominal sums like £1 because of how they're performing. Nothing you're saying makes sense. He's already asking for an unreasonable amount and the club is in over a 100m in debt... You remind me of the arguments I have with my parents about Brexit or global warming. There is no level of proof which is high enough to convince them that they might be wrong. No matter how much actual evidence I put in front of them, from experts and peer-reviewed sources, they just go "Nah, that's not right" and show me some Daily Mail article about how forrins are ruining the country. It's about as rewarding as trying to kick water up a hill. You're the same. Not saying you're a Brexiteer or climate change denier, of course, but you're so deeply entrenched that where this is concerned there's no level of evidence which is satisfactory for you to question your standpoint. You just dismiss everything anyone puts as if none of it carries any weight whatsoever, no matter how backed in facts, figures, or historical evidence. I don't want to be rude to you, because you've not been rude to me or indeed anyone on here and for that at least I respect you. But I come from a scientific background and believe strongly in the scientific method. I like to think I'm very open to new ideas and reassessing my viewpoint in light of new information as that's how we grow as people and how we expand our horizons. But you don't have this in your DNA and when I can see that only one side is putting out a compelling case there's no way of getting around that discussing anything with you is just a complete waste of time.

Wrong again. If we keep making a loss, and will keep making a loss in the future, he has to either keep taking the loss or has to sell for cheap and write some of the loss off. Like what Ellis Short did. He'll have no choice. If he asks unreasonable amounts for a club with debt, nobody will buy it off him and so it (and therefore he!) will keep making a loss. No failing business has ever had its owner keep the high business value and just tack the debt on and see a successful sale. History is replete with examples of businesses being sold for nominal sums like £1 because of how they're performing. Nothing you're saying makes sense.

But if that "less revenue" is enough to mean the club makes him a loss rather than a profit, his whole reason for owning us disappears. It doesn't have to reduce his income to zero. Just enough to make us a millstone around his neck rather than a cash cow for him. Saying "but other revenue is more" is completely missing the point. Ticket revenue wouldn't be the difference between profit and loss How can you type that with a straight face? According to the latest released figures for 2017/18, we made an operating profit of £17.6m Ticket revenues were £24m So yes, on its own and without looking at anything else, ticket revenue absolutely is the difference between profit and loss for Mike Ashley. A further £28m was brought in through sponsorship, and trust me if you've got an empty stadium and nobody buying shirts then that takes a hit too. Add in further that if we go down, he looses the TV money and we'd all agree that a full stadium decreases the likelihood of relegation but to be honest to get shot of him it's a price I'd accept in a heartbeat to have my club back. In summary: Don't talk utter rot.

Mckeag had a willing buyer/consortium that fought for years buying shares. Who's doing that now? Well 3 parties have tried. Kenyon, Stavely and now BZG But willing buyers are irrelevant because we don't have a willing seller. And we don't have a willing seller because he's making a profit out of the club/your season ticket money. Stop that, and he will become a willing seller. Then the buyers have a fighting chance.

But if that "less revenue" is enough to mean the club makes him a loss rather than a profit, his whole reason for owning us disappears. It doesn't have to reduce his income to zero. Just enough to make us a millstone around his neck rather than a cash cow for him. Saying "but other revenue is more" is completely missing the point.

I mean it's ridiculous. We've literally got rid of one bad owner in our lifetimes by acting together. And now people are saying that there's no point trying to act together to get rid of a bad owner.

I guess McKeag just left because he got bored? Left when he wanted to, nothing to do with the fans. Is that what you think? That all the protests back then were utterly pointless?

Fuckinghell man All this because someone dares to renew their season ticket If you're this angry about it mate and you really want to make a change why not go the ground on match day and tell all these fans how much of a disgrace they are and that they should be ashamed of themselves? Answer the question. He hasn't say that though has he I didn't think it was a serious question tbh Let's assume it is. What's your answer?

I take issue with Seymour saying he's not supporting Mike Ashley, he's supporting the players. You simply don't get to make that distinction. You're handing £600+ over to Mike Ashley, of course you're supporting him. Maybe not in terms of cheering him on and giving him your best wishes, but certainly you're supporting him financially. You simply cannot deny that. And believe me, as the tightest man on the planet, Ashly would far rather have £600 from you than have £0 but your goodwill towards him. You could argue that you withholding your £600 alone won't drive him to penury, and or course it won't, but you not being his sole financial support doesn't change that you are still supporting him financially. That's inarguable.

So we've basically got no money. Makes total sense if you can get it agreed. Frees up cash for other players / black paint / leopard-print sofas for Mike's house.

I don't think anyone at all has a problem with us being shit. We've all seen us be shitter than this and still went to matches. The issue is that even at our lowest ebb, the club wanted to be better. Wanted to improve. Ashley does NOT want Newcastle to be better. 17th is not his aim this season, it's his aim for every season. Even if we finish top 6 by some fluke (it's happened before), our aim is still 17th next year and players will be sold to drop us back to that level with the money trousered. I don't care if we're shit. I do care if we have no ambition to better ourselves. Our only reason for existence is to advertise his shit shops on TV and line his pockets.

If season ticket money meant nothing to Ashley, he'd give them away for free. Of course it matters to him. Of course depriving him of money will hurt him. Suggesting otherwise is incredibly naive. If anyone wants to continue to go, then go. But do it with open eyes and realise exactly what you're doing, ie funding him, keeping him there, and accepting (and paying to go watch) a club which doesn't even want to compete and is nothing but a giant billboard for his tat emporium.

Fuck this shit. Hope we plummet down the leagues and get sold for £1.

So we've basically got no money. A few weeks ago we had £50m PLUS the Perez money.

Well I reckon that if Hoffenheim's sporting director is saying it's nearly done, then it probably is nearly done. What's odd is that we've been so publicly trying to do this deal since February and not one other club has come in and looked like gazumping us. Which maybe says a bit about the player? I can't help but think we're overpaying here, and if we were to spend £45m on someone this should not be it. Also obviously this isn't a change of policy, it's just MA trying to turn £45m into £150m rather than his usual trick of trying to turn £4m into £15m. This kid will still be actively peddled in 18 months time with Bruce or whoever the current patsy is doing a Pardew and telling everyone loudly how difficult it's going to be to keep hold of him, even when nobody has suggested he's leaving.

i'm of the same opinion Maybe so, but he's proven he'll turn down a profit too. Might as well hope it all crashes down because at least that fucks him over.

Despite the discussions, we already know exactly what the fee will be. Undisclosed.

Aye, it's like a giant blackboard now.

Fuck that, he should get both barrels too. Shouldn't accept the job if he wanted to be respected, fuck him. Totally agree - If Steve Bruce is a Newcastle United fan as he claims, he wouldn't touch the job. But all of the sportingstaff is quite irrelevant with Mike in charge. More of the same ambitionless tedious bullshit. Hard to believe anyone finds it okey to work under those circumstances. Bruce should definitely get grief for coming like. He's complicit in what Ashley is doing now, he's came here knowing he's only there to make sure we aim for 17th whilst saying 'yes sir'. Everyone knows the main aim is the fat man, but imo there's no reason not to go after Bruce (and any other manager who agrees to the parasites terms) as well. The way I see it, it's another angle to getting at Ashley just like the little campaign against Bishop. Make working for/with NUFC toxic. Every bit this.

This cunt is going to be our Cattermole. Inept, and a big new contract to act as a millstone around the club's neck when we're wasting away in league 1.

I don't use it myself but if this guy is on Twitter, as 99% of footballers seem to be, he should be told exactly what he's walking into online so that he hopefully stays well clear. I want the whole club to become such a toxic, nasty brand that nobody but the most desperate, money-grabbing people will go anywhere near them. Let it burn.

This. I've watched every game for years and yet never given the club or Sky a single penny in that time.

Because people have pointed out that 3/4 of the cancelled tickets haven't been flagged as available.