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We have no real pattern of play, no real way of keeping the ball. You are contradicting each other while being in agreement. Has Pardew set us up to play well in the first halves of games or not? Reading was the prime example. Dominated for an hour before Pardew shat himself and whipped off the main fretts to Reading, Marveaux and Cabaye , who had ran the show between them. Ended up losing. That's a bad example, as it's not entirely true. He took of Marveaux, that much is true. I forget who replaced him. However, Cabaye then asked to come off as he felt a knock/strain of some kind. That unfortunately left us well short on creativity and forward momentum. I'm sure that you can find a better suited example though. Not really as it was Cabayes comeback game after a lay off and Pardew must've had an inkling he wasn't going to get the 90. In which case, why did he take off Marveaux beforehand ? He may not have got the 90, but I'd hazard a guess that he was expecting him to last longer than the 60 (I think?) he did manage. As I say, it's a bad example because you'd given the impression that he'd elected to 'whip' them both off, despite them playing well. That wasn't the case, as an unexpected situation had caused the second substitution. Something he admitted after game, if I remember correctly. In this example, it wasn't his absolute intention to completely stifle our creativity and forward impetus. There'll be other, clearer, and more damning examples. You could point to those instead? He said it was unexpected. I'm saying that Cabaye struggles to get 90 when he plays week in week out, so it shouldn't have been unexpected and he should never have even contemplated taking Marveaux off beforehand. It was rank bad management, and effectively cost us the game. You're twisting your argument again, Billy. It perhaps wasn't the greatest example of prescient management, but, a deliberately negative move with the sole intention of 'shutting up shop' it was not. Like I've said, there are plenty of other examples you could use, as this is far from being your 'prime' one. I'd say taking your two most creative players off was shutting up shop personally. Especially as he brought Perch and I think Anita to replace.

We have no real pattern of play, no real way of keeping the ball. You are contradicting each other while being in agreement. Has Pardew set us up to play well in the first halves of games or not? Reading was the prime example. Dominated for an hour before Pardew shat himself and whipped off the main fretts to Reading, Marveaux and Cabaye , who had ran the show between them. Ended up losing. That's a bad example, as it's not entirely true. He took of Marveaux, that much is true. I forget who replaced him. However, Cabaye then asked to come off as he felt a knock/strain of some kind. That unfortunately left us well short on creativity and forward momentum. I'm sure that you can find a better suited example though. Not really as it was Cabayes comeback game after a lay off and Pardew must've had an inkling he wasn't going to get the 90. In which case, why did he take off Marveaux beforehand ? He may not have got the 90, but I'd hazard a guess that he was expecting him to last longer than the 60 (I think?) he did manage. As I say, it's a bad example because you'd given the impression that he'd elected to 'whip' them both off, despite them playing well. That wasn't the case, as an unexpected situation had caused the second substitution. Something he admitted after game, if I remember correctly. In this example, it wasn't his absolute intention to completely stifle our creativity and forward impetus. There'll be other, clearer, and more damning examples. You could point to those instead? He said it was unexpected. I'm saying that Cabaye struggles to get 90 when he plays week in week out, so it shouldn't have been unexpected and he should never have even contemplated taking Marveaux off beforehand. It was rank bad management, and effectively cost us the game.

We have no real pattern of play, no real way of keeping the ball. You are contradicting each other while being in agreement. Has Pardew set us up to play well in the first halves of games or not? Reading was the prime example. Dominated for an hour before Pardew shat himself and whipped off the main fretts to Reading, Marveaux and Cabaye , who had ran the show between them. Ended up losing. That's a bad example, as it's not entirely true. He took of Marveaux, that much is true. I forget who replaced him. However, Cabaye then asked to come off as he felt a knock/strain of some kind. That unfortunately left us well short on creativity and forward momentum. I'm sure that you can find a better suited example though. Not really as it was Cabayes comeback game after a lay off and Pardew must've had an inkling he wasn't going to get the 90. In which case, why did he take off Marveaux beforehand ?

We have no real pattern of play, no real way of keeping the ball. You are contradicting each other while being in agreement. Has Pardew set us up to play well in the first halves of games or not? Reading was the prime example. Dominated for an hour before Pardew shat himself and whipped off the main fretts to Reading, Marveaux and Cabaye , who had ran the show between them. Ended up losing.

This is what HappyFace actually believes. Why does Pardew set us so differently in the first half of games to the second half of games in your opinion? Because he is scared to lose what he has at half time. How many times have we seen us play a good first half to see us totally change tack and become ultra negative second half. Keep what you have. And then naturally as you sit back, the opponents sense an opportunity to press, and you defend deeper and deeper and get rid as far from your goal as....then bring a big tall physical type on to try and win said long desperate punts. It has happened like this most of the season, ie Pardew forgetting how we got on top in the first place, and changing tack to the other extreme and inviting pressure.

He will start with a clean slate at the beginning of next season if he is still in charge from me . Reluctant though I may be, I hope he learns from his mistakes, perhaps get some coaches with a positive outlook and grows a pair to stop the cowardly way he has meandered through this season.

Where did you get that from? I'm pointing out that at least unlike some people on this board who have disapeared from the football forum on a couple of occaisons, strangely enough when it was all going down the toilet, to suddenly reappear when it was all OK that at least people like Inochi and Ian were at least still 'fighting thier cause' in the face of a lot of opposition. Excellent post from a fine poster.

I've decided to compile an Alex Ferguson best Manchester United XI. 1. Webb 2. Poll 3. Durkin 4. Clattenburg 5. Wiley 6. Elleray 7. Rennie 8. Dowd 9. Halsey 10. Foy 11. Marriner

Man City and Chelsea will fight it out imho. Reckon 3rd is the best your lot can expect.

So am I. Souness won a trophy at every club before he came here. Except for Southampton.

Unless he knows he's being sacked . Then it would make a semblance of sense.

They've got form. Fulop was even more blatant last year to allow Arsenal ahead of us . I wouldn't watch us next Sunday then if I were you

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8709498/Premier-League-Alan-Pardew-pleased-after-Newcastle-beat-QPR-to-survive http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/12/alan-pardew-arsenal-can-beat-newcastle-4-0-for-all-i-care-3756457/ http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-pardew-bothered-final-day-182230976.html Don't think he was saying the quotes weren't real TBH. Good God man, he's questioned the source so I've given him other sources. You're on the biggest wind-up of all time this evening. I'm not winding anyone up, we've been through this FFS. We've been through it. The guy questioned the source and I provided additional sources and up you pop. I don't care if you think we've been through it or whatever, you're on the wind-up. I'm honestly not. Obviously nobody would deny the quotes are real. What are you even on about? Start making sense. Unbelievable, I've already explained over about five pages. What has it got to do with my reply? Why did you even get involved? I was providing sources for someone disputing the source, I didn't want to hear you make that bullshit point for the 100th time. But do we know what context Ian made the post. I mean is it just a post, or is there audio ?

Adam's first yellow was very harsh.

he's right there, mind. Not now we're not battling relegation he ain't.

The Hoops or The R's ? Either way it is good to see them near the bottom.

I like how when we do I'm more worried about the opposition scoring as a result of the keeper being miles out of the goal than I am confident we'll score from it. Exactly the same In a way, it's an incredibly brave tactic from Pards and he should be applauded for being so cavalier. It's testament to Pardew's stylish football that he has copied the king of stylish football, Dave Bassett, by using this clever and innovative tactic.

f***ing hell. I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that literally like. Go on then, how else would he mean it? Baffled. Can't believe anyone would think he does mean it literally. He's expressing his relief at staying up FFS. I mean, he talks a lot of s**** but the reaction to some stuff from people is insane. Your constant defence of the bloke is pretty insane to be fair. It must get tiresome, even for you? I'm not defending his performance, I'm saying that it's stupid and childish to rip apart quotes that aren't remotely as bad as people choose to believe. Ian, at best it's massively unprofessional to be saying it though.

Fucking hell. Fuck me talk of talking yourself into a corner. I'd imagine the FA would probably haul him over the coals for that. Fucking shit manager shit for brains wide boy cunt.

By bet would be: mackem, didn't understand the poll, and Ian W :-) Never gets old that. Just out of interest, what did you go for? If you voted at all that is. I haven't voted yet, so many unknowns. As I said on the previous page, I have time for the stability argument but also looking more and more doubtful that Pardew is going to generate another successful season. FWIW I think his genuine ability is somewhere in between the last two seasons. He's not as bad as everyone thinks, but he has lacked the ability to turn this season around. If he was sacked I wouldn't be sad about it. Aye, exactly how I feel.. I don't think he is as bad as what this season has been BUT I don't think he is good enough to take us forward. As with all things, there is a middle-ground. Pardew is no Mourinho, nor is he a Megson. At this stage I'd be happy to see a replacement come in if there is someone clearly superior lined up, but if he stays and we invest heavily in the summer, so be it. He is in the same ball park as Megson. Negative tactics backed up with a cowardly outlook. Smacks of Megson to me.

Gouffran is the spitting dabs of Nigel Quashie. And we know what a good luck charm he was

He's done a Terry. he was on the bench though, wasn't he? Rafael was there in full kit and was suspended today He wasn't in the squad . Rooney I mean,mate.

Fergie hardly acknowledged Rooney at the medal ceremony. Think he is out of there. Rooney I mean

Come on Wigan. My that sticks in the throat but fuck it.

This 200%.