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However Seymour Pierce present the information, I would think that any buyer will have their own exhaustive investigation performed - unlike Ashley who seems to have been caught out by the amount of debt.

Even for the goalline thing though, how many dubious goals are there every season like that? Maybe about 4 a year, not worth starting down the path of technology for that. Just accept that football isn't perfect and get on with it.

No offence meant!

Bearing in mind I only really know the toon from the first Keegan era, this is pretty bad. But still felt more terror towards the end of the Allardyce reign when I really thought we were going down. Sure that feeling will return if we don't sort ourselves out, but for now it isn't quite as awful.

The only reason I came into this thread. :laugh Any chance of a swift title edit? I know it's pedantic but it's driving me mad

The human element is crucial, yes it hurts when a decision goes against you but that's life. If people would accept that referees make mistakes and decisions can never be perfect the game would be a lot better.

Right now, I would love to guarantee first place. Hopefully I won't still be saying that at Christmas.

Interesting point, it was probably the era of Vieira, Petit, Keane and Makelele that did it, everyone wanted a classly player in the middle who could break up the play. It is quite fashionable though, how many premier league teams have a true holding player I wonder? I don't think in their primes Keane and Vieira were holding midfielders though. Are there any then? Even if they weren't 100%, I can see why they were labelled as such, protecting the back 4 and getting a foot in all over the place. You're right though, they did get up and down the pitch a lot.

Interesting point, it was probably the era of Vieira, Petit, Keane and Makelele that did it, everyone wanted a classly player in the middle who could break up the play. It is quite fashionable though, how many premier league teams have a true holding player I wonder?

Not sure, what you really need in the holding role is to be able to get around the pitch. You also need someone else in midfield who will do a bit of attacking. Butt is so sluggish around the pitch, and conservative in possession, that I'm not sure he can cut it there anymore. I really wanted us to get Muamba when he went to Bolton, would have been ideal IMO.

Can't see us getting anything out of this one unless Joe is a bigger arse-kicker than anyone on the planet. We need Beye, Martins and Jonas back to have even a half-decent team.

What are Ian Harte and Thomas Brolin up to these days?

Makes you wonder who is really in charge of what players can and can't do. I mean, I can't see Newcastle saying "here's an idea Mark, head over to Australia for a few weeks and get sorted". Surely we would rather have him treated here where we can keep an eye on him. Even if he's just watching training and giving Xisco a few pointers, while he's on the payroll he should be around the club.

Obviously I'm contractually required to hate Roy Keane because he's mackem manager, but can't deny he's done a decent enough job so far, albeit spending quite a bit of money.

I don't really blame him personally, he's been unfit and overweight for a while now, it's just irritating that we ended up signing him - more so because if he could keep himself fit he would be really useful for us.

The way I basically see it is - we can only achieve negative and harmful outcomes by the sort of emotional reaction that we've seen in last few weeks, both for the actual position of the club and the reputation of the fans. So the only way we can do any good is to just support whoever is here, or keep quiet. Yes, that means being 'shitted on' once in a while, but there's no other way.

We may as well forget that Viduka is a Newcastle player.

That's in the rules/mission statement you posted earlier, so it looks like it has been decided.

Don't have anything against Crazy Joe. If nothing else a new, experienced head might just be able to say the right things to get us out of this shit.

I believe he bought the club as a plaything so he could have a bit of fun and go to matches etc. Then he thought he could continue running it cheaply by implementing his recruitment system, a need compounded by the extra debt he discovered after not completing his due diligence properly. He then brought back the wrong manager to fit into the system, maybe because he was naive about Keegan and what he meant to people here. Keegan then walks, the chaos ensues, and Ashley bottles out very easily when he realises it won't be fun anymore. I was a fan of Ashley, but the way he caved in and put the club up for sale brings him down in my estimations. If he really thought owning a football club was just going to be a pie, pint and popular decisions he was an idiot. That's his biggest problem IMO.

'Fans' having a poll to decide who our worst player is when we're in the shit is a little bit embarassing to be honest.

Er, no - his decision has caused the results IMO... we'd still be doing alright if he hadn't walked away. I would get behind him if he returned, but for me the recent incidents have soured my love for Keegan permanently. He'll never mean the same to me after this as he did before, and that's maybe the saddest thing about the whole debacle.

I agree, we get the club we deserve sometimes. The OP has a point obviously, the fans aren't 'to blame' as such, but we've certainly led to the escalation of what might have been managed as a minor incident into a complete disaster for the club.

Just want any kind of result from any game of football, the sooner the better please.

You seriously think he wrote it himself? I don't know, I haven't heard anyone doubting it until now. Even if he didn't, that's all the more reason to think what I was implying, that he might decide to hang on after all.