Carlito

I think we'll sneak a 1-0 win today to be fair. It'll be absolutely vile to watch but as poor as we've been I'm feeling optimistic today.

In reality we need a window like the 2012-13 one, but obviously with the way the market is changing it's going to cost us 2-3 times as much money as what those buys did. Looking back I still can't quite believe the instant impact Sissoko and Gouff had for us, especially against Chelsea of all teams. That's the problem we need to spend 30-40 million at least to crawl over the line and I can't see it happening. Our squad is absolute trash but 2-3 quality signings may be enough to drag us through. If fat c*** is making all the decisions I can see him spending bare minimum to get us through Definitely. Honestly I think even 2 could make a huge difference for us. Someone with a bit of forward thinking who can cross, and someone to stick the chances away. I'm sure provided he has the money then Rafa can find two people of the right quality. In reality we need a window like the 2012-13 one, but obviously with the way the market is changing it's going to cost us 2-3 times as much money as what those buys did. Looking back I still can't quite believe the instant impact Sissoko and Gouff had for us, especially against Chelsea of all teams. Managed by Rafa... I was at that game in a corporate box with two Chelsea fans and they were the epitome of spoiled b******s, constantly slagging Rafa and then they had the cheek to have a go at KK saying he was a failure and a cheque book manager, I put them straight that day much to the amusement of my mates whose box it was, the Chelsea wanks being guests of theirs. Their fans were a disgrace that day chanting for Rafa out. Yeah the way they went on with Rafa was completely disgraceful. Of all the clubs in the premier league that could have been given the Abramovich money, Chelsea were far from the most deserving in my opinion. You can't label all of their fans obviously as they'll have their sensible ones, but I think a large portion of their fanbase actually deserve the level of criticism that a club like ours has had thrown at us in the last 10-12 years. Pretty sure they were booing Mourinho off in games as well at one point.

Yeah, you make some good points re fanbase and demand tbf. I agree. How Mourinho is getting away playing the negative football he does is absolutely scandalous. An embarrassment of a manager these days imo. Plays for 0-0's in big matches, it's a load of crap. I don't have problem with teams in the bottom half playing defensively- they almost have to if they want to get results. There's so much pressure on managers now that why would you take risks? This league is now set up to prevent people from playing expressive, risk-taking football....players aren't allowed to be creative or play with attacking freedom. You can totally understand a managers perspective on it. It's sad but it's the beast the likes of Sky have insisted on creating- drama, drama, drama.....every single day. Can't go a day in the pulsating PL without some drama like a manager being sacked for no f***ing reason! Regardless of how competitive the league is, you look at the general quality of football in La Liga and it's just lightyears ahead of here. Someone like Real Betis would play half the teams in our division off the park. You look at the likes of Eibar as well and what they have become despite their natural limitations and it is a beautiful sight. The Premiership is just a gross, sterile money fight these days. As a supporter I don't think the matchday experience has ever been worse, either. I agree wholeheartedly. I p*ssed and moaned about how we played against Man City but that’s because I’m a fan, but the way Sky went on was a joke. It’s thanks to them in the main why we have managerial merry go rounds and the dominance of few teams not to mention the poor quality of football because it’s all about staying in the league to pick up the money or not getting beat. Mourinho is a joke these days. When he first come to England he was a breath of fresh air, his Chelsea side was solid, but attacking too. He would go to Old Trafford and go for the win. This Man Utd side is as boring as anything I’ve seen from a so called top team. He probably needs a year or so out of the game. I don’t watch much European football, I barely watch any here, but from what I’ve seen the technical side of the game is of a higher standard and lower half teams from abroad would wipe the floor with some sides in the Premier League on football alone. Our League still has its moments mind and when two teams go at it, I don’t think there is a better spectacle of a game than here when it’s played like that. Sadly it’s a rare event these days. Back in the early 90s and even early 00s teams generally wee set up to go at teams and it was much more exciting with teams of varying style and exciting players. Almost every club had a stand out player or exciting players. Now they are all identikit. Take Gray at Leicester for example or Redmond at Southampton, good players with the right attributes, but they play so defensively and within themselves to the point you look at them and think, they are samey samey. Far too many players like that across most teams. That’s why I loved Ben Arfa, he was different. I find liverpool a breath of fresh air and enjoy watching them more so than Man City. Arsenal bore me these days, it’s the same every season, but at least they try and play. Spurs for me are probably the best team all-round in terms of coaching, style of play and they have some excellent players. But Man City are so far ahead it’s almost unfair on the likes of them who would probably be serious challengers if they were removed from the scene and clubs that also spend mega money. Mourinho is taking the p*ss saying Man Utd need to spend more. They already have a strong team with some really good players, they are so far behind because their manager is a dull bore who has his players shackled even against the likes of Southampton. The rest are much of the same. I couldn't agree more about stand-out players at each team. Nevermind just a stand-out player in general, most teams in the 90's had a striker who could get into double figures. The premier league may have more money in it now, but back then when it came to that level of talent they had an embarrassment of riches in my opinion. Today it feels like fitness levels have taken complete precedence over technique. There are so few teams now who have players that can pull off a display of sheer brilliance out of nowhere. I won't even get into the whole English talent argument because that's a can of worms just waiting to be opened

In reality we need a window like the 2012-13 one, but obviously with the way the market is changing it's going to cost us 2-3 times as much money as what those buys did. Looking back I still can't quite believe the instant impact Sissoko and Gouff had for us, especially against Chelsea of all teams.

Journos will be all over it by 6. Crisis club and all that.

Aye, it’s true Some shocking defeats in that run too.

Look at the 5-1 against Spurs as well. With better quality players we can easily compete under Rafa. No way would we have gotten that result if McClaren or someone of his level was here.

Check Sky at then end of the match x Then add 10 to the actual number. If you check Flash that is Please refer back to the links I provided showing the stats on both sites, and save the sauce for later. Given the fact that our squad has less quality than Palace's squad, the criticism of Rafa's tactics was harsh considering Palace aren't getting any at all. City had 2 more shots on target against us. Nightmare!

Check Sky at then end of the match x Then add 10 to the actual number.

Reading his post was like watching this That video has elevated that to easily one of the greatest promos ever delivered. Guy was like the Doc Brown of wrestling . Always entertaining to watch when he was dropping stuff like that.

Reading his post was like watching this

Exactly the point I was trying to make a page or two back. Palace will be praised by the media I'm assuming, whereas we were absolutely slated. - City had 74% possession against Palace in comparison to 78% against us - We had one more shot on target than Palace, whereas they had one more shot off target - We had 228 passes in comparison to Palace's 208 You conveniently missed one stat though the number of shots city had on our goal compared to Palace if you’re going to try and make a comparison then do it properly Two more shots on target and 6 off target with a better team Not going by the sky stats mind city v palace 15 shots 4 on target 4 off 7 blocked compared to 22 shots 6 on 12 off and 4 blocked versus us. Bit different from yours. I wasn't looking at Sky stats. Well maybe you should have then I used Flash Scores and they're the same, so that doesn't make your argument any more credible. Their obviously not the same and yeah it does 18 shots on goal against 8 is a pretty big difference. But never mind you stick to Flash. https://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/Y3iI5c4U/#match-statistics;0 http://www.skysports.com/football/newcastle-vs-man-city/stats/373293 Possession (%) = 22/78 Total shots = 6/21 (22 shots for City on Sky Sports) Shots on target = 2/6 Shots off target = 3/12 Shots blocked = 1/3 (1/4 on Sky Sports because of the 22 shots stat) Shots saved = 5/2 (5/1 on Sky Sports) So yeah, the base for your argument is 1 shot. No the base of my argument is that city had 10 more shots on goal against us than palace and one you conveniently forgot to mention when you posted your original stats. Where the hell are you getting 10 more shots from? Do you even math bro? City had 15 shots against Palace, and 21-22 (depending on where you look) against us. They had 6 on target against us and 4 on target against Palace

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Exactly the point I was trying to make a page or two back. Palace will be praised by the media I'm assuming, whereas we were absolutely slated. - City had 74% possession against Palace in comparison to 78% against us - We had one more shot on target than Palace, whereas they had one more shot off target - We had 228 passes in comparison to Palace's 208 You conveniently missed one stat though the number of shots city had on our goal compared to Palace if you’re going to try and make a comparison then do it properly Two more shots on target and 6 off target with a better team Not going by the sky stats mind city v palace 15 shots 4 on target 4 off 7 blocked compared to 22 shots 6 on 12 off and 4 blocked versus us. Bit different from yours. I wasn't looking at Sky stats. Well maybe you should have then I used Flash Scores and they're the same, so that doesn't make your argument any more credible. Their obviously not the same and yeah it does 18 shots on goal against 8 is a pretty big difference. But never mind you stick to Flash. https://www.flashscores.co.uk/match/Y3iI5c4U/#match-statistics;0 http://www.skysports.com/football/newcastle-vs-man-city/stats/373293 Possession (%) = 22/78 Total shots = 6/21 (22 shots for City on Sky Sports) Shots on target = 2/6 Shots off target = 3/12 Shots blocked = 1/3 (1/4 on Sky Sports because of the 22 shots stat) Shots saved = 5/2 (5/1 on Sky Sports) So yeah, the base for your argument is 1 shot.

Exactly the point I was trying to make a page or two back. Palace will be praised by the media I'm assuming, whereas we were absolutely slated. - City had 74% possession against Palace in comparison to 78% against us - We had one more shot on target than Palace, whereas they had one more shot off target - We had 228 passes in comparison to Palace's 208 You conveniently missed one stat though the number of shots city had on our goal compared to Palace if you’re going to try and make a comparison then do it properly Two more shots on target and 6 off target with a better team Not going by the sky stats mind city v palace 15 shots 4 on target 4 off 7 blocked compared to 22 shots 6 on 12 off and 4 blocked versus us. Bit different from yours. I wasn't looking at Sky stats. Well maybe you should have then I used Flash Scores and they're the same, so that doesn't make your argument any more credible.

Exactly the point I was trying to make a page or two back. Palace will be praised by the media I'm assuming, whereas we were absolutely slated. - City had 74% possession against Palace in comparison to 78% against us - We had one more shot on target than Palace, whereas they had one more shot off target - We had 228 passes in comparison to Palace's 208 You conveniently missed one stat though the number of shots city had on our goal compared to Palace if you’re going to try and make a comparison then do it properly Two more shots on target and 6 off target with a better team Not going by the sky stats mind city v palace 15 shots 4 on target 4 off 7 blocked compared to 22 shots 6 on 12 off and 4 blocked versus us. Bit different from yours. I wasn't looking at Sky stats.

Fat Sam probably, Pulis no. Pulis has just recently been sacked for that reason. Fat Sam is a short-sighted appointment in my opinion though, which I think Everton will find out next season when it's time to push on and justify the money they can spend. You reckon Fat Sam would be more likely to grind out results, but he wouldn't be allowed to sign the 30 year olds for big money that he has in the past to get out of trouble. He would need to have the basics in place already like he did at Palace. No way could he succeed with this squad. I don't think he'd be more likely than Rafa is. It was more of a hypothetical on paper given what he's done everywhere else. Fat Sam has already been here and failed with a better squad than we have now.

top post. I'll second that

Exactly the point I was trying to make a page or two back. Palace will be praised by the media I'm assuming, whereas we were absolutely slated. - City had 74% possession against Palace in comparison to 78% against us - We had one more shot on target than Palace, whereas they had one more shot off target - We had 228 passes in comparison to Palace's 208 You conveniently missed one stat though the number of shots city had on our goal compared to Palace if you’re going to try and make a comparison then do it properly Two more shots on target and 6 off target with a better team Exactly. City goal attempts vs. Newcastle = 21 City shots on target vs. Newcastle = 6 City goal attempts vs. Palace = 15 City shots on target vs. Palace = 4 Given the fact that our squad is easily worse than theirs, I think that sits about right on paper.

Fat Sam probably, Pulis no. Pulis has just recently been sacked for that reason. Fat Sam is a short-sighted appointment in my opinion though, which I think Everton will find out next season when it's time to push on and justify the money they can spend.

Exactly the point I was trying to make a page or two back. Palace will be praised by the media I'm assuming, whereas we were absolutely slated. - City had 74% possession against Palace in comparison to 78% against us - We had one more shot on target than Palace, whereas they had one more shot off target - We had 228 passes in comparison to Palace's 208

They have some pace and attack-minded players though. The most attack-minded player we have is probably Aarons or Atsu.

Yet Woy would do a better job than Rafa with our squad apparently.

Palace had much of the game here? Curious to see what the media will make of this if they haven't.