Carlito

He's clearly not a full shilling, there's little doubt about that. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have been able to get far more out of him. A good manager would have, not w*****s like Pardew and Bruce who are all about graft over craft. If he was as rounded as some appear to expect, there's not a chance he'd have been here in the first place, and that includes us taking advantage of him falling out with his previous club. We should have got more out of him, but he should have got far more out of himself. His mentality is getting more wild and unpredictable and while he's not playing football his talent is taking a nose dive. Not at any point has the lad himself decided he wants to change things, he's decided to keep going the way he has and this is why he's ended up destroying his own career. Nice will expect him to buck up his ideas, but he won't and he might get away with it due to the quality of the league but only they'll take so much and he could see himself ousted again. You can't blame Pardew for this, for most part hba comments on Pardew have been positive and if anything it sounded like Pardew gave him too much leeway, p*ssed off senior players and when Pardew wanted it to change gave him a final ultimatum which blew up in both their faces. Senior players no longer wanted him around the dressing room and put their foot down. Just because he was made the poster boy by the fans against Pardew doesn't mean that's all it was, Pardew vs hba, this issues ran much deeper and with a lot more people within the club. In the end too much trouble coming in to his final year where a decision had to be made, just like Barton the club had enough with his antics and got rid. The point stands and will always stand imo that on the pitch is all that matters if you can come up with the goods. Imo he could and (when started) did. We're talking about a player here that was dropped when he was in form last season. Bellamy was a prick, Robert was too, loads of players are dicks and by the sounds of it HBA isn't all there either, but if you're going to invest more in off-the-field unknowns from a notorious liar over what you watch on the pitch come the weekend then I'm not sure what to say... Exactly. Throw the likes of Dyer in there as well. A good manager will get the best out of them regardless of their personalities off the field. HBA was a massive part of our success during the 11-12 season.

Maybe if those who think he's great (based on very little evidence) could point out to us "sheep" instances where he has been consistently brilliant game after game (for any club) maybe, just maybe, we'd understand the love he gets. His brilliance is a myth, his talent is there for all to see, but his use/application of that talent is beyond a disgrace and as such he's worthless. Surely Real, Barca and Bayern are pestering his agent to death right now because reading some of the tripe in this thread they mustn't know what they're doing otherwise. You must be forgetting all of those games where he was brought on as a sub with 10-15 minutes left where we were complete dogshit, and yet he still managed to give us a bit of "fret" and creativity, whilst Pardew still used him as a scapegoat for "not doing enough". He was one of the only players we had that was willing to run at the defense and go past them. Not saying he couldn't be frustrating at times because he could, but someone of his ability should be starting games because of what he brings to the team.

Agreed. It's fucking laughable that people buy into this shite. Shows you how many 'followers' there are amongst the support, who just believe what they're spoon-fed by proven liars. Such a waste of a brilliant player and totally gutted to see someone of his quality leave.

http://i.imgur.com/9FMlcC6.gif Thank you, lord, for this glorious day!

Lazy gif work, always the first gif shown when searching for those kind of emotions. 2/10 would not post. http://33.media.tumblr.com/3e788c19683d601f195d0d6c0891c28a/tumblr_n7d7i3RwqP1smcbm7o1_500.gif

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Decided to catch up and look through the last 100 or so pages. Some of the gifs in here man ffs I can't even begin to imagine what it'll be like on here the day Ashley sells up or we win a trophy

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oh dear.

Mick McCarthy style

as if he had his own VIP section. What a shitebubble

It could all finally be over. We're free http://img.pandawhale.com/post-46067-charlton-heston-laughing-gif-I-M2zI.gif

Comes to something when you're fucking jealous of another team sacking their manager

Felt more reading that than I have supporting this club for the last 2 years. What's heartbreaking is the next generation of fans will be raised to accept this shit, thinking it's acceptable to not compete and be fed empty lies and excuses. All hope lost with no end in sight.

Exactly the opposite here tbh. I'm struggling to give a single f***. Why should I? The players don't seem to care, the manager get away with losing each time and the morons in the stands are paying hundreds each year for the privilege of witnessing us get bummed annually by Sunderland. Losing to that lot used to sting like f***, now it's just another loss. Utterly predictable, easy to prepare for and easier still get get over. Not prepared to invest any emotional attachment to the club until he goes. Had we won/drawn today then my current mood wouldn't be that different tbh.

All for his deluded ego in case we won, but his record speaks for itself.

This lad could be well into double figures under the right type of manager who gets the midfield creating chances. He shows a ton of promise, but he'll never fully realize it here as long as Pardont is in charge.

1 goal in the last 5 now as well is fucking sickening.

4 more years. Good times

The defending in the last phase of that move was nothing short of tragic. 4 players sucked towards the ball, Buckley completely unmarked on the right=hand side. Absolutely pathetic. We did that every time they attacked throughout the game. Everyone would swarm towards one man and leave acres of space for everyone else. Marking at its absolute worst.

Exactly. Sub the lad on with 2 minutes left? What was the point?

You can't win. It's impossible to have a remotely sensible discussion with a bloke who considers a 4-1 loss as 'a good performance'. Fans are too loyal. They worship anything. They believe anything they're fed and they'll not hear a bad word said about their club. I'd even go as far as saying they're as big a problem as Pardew is. That's not loyal mate, that's blind stupidity. It's why we'll never truly amount to anything, particularly under the current regime. At least under Shepherd the majority of the fans were united in their attempts to oust Souness. Quite depressing that those days feel like a step up from now.

Not sure whose fans are more fickle with their manager, ours or theirs