Lotus

Why can't he see that having a system where you have a limited manager who has little or no say in who the players the club buys is not working? I do believe that if Pardew could choose the players the club buys we wouldn't be this sh*te. We'd still be sh*te but not THIS sh*te.

Thought he wasn't really in the game while it mattered. Their CBs had our lobs covered all evening. I can see the possibility of him and Gouf being an ok partnership. We don't have the players for a midfield 4 behind them though.

So you disagree with gimp that it's a fluke then agree with every other single football fan with an ounce of intelligence that is was a great goal out if the blue which dragged us back in to the game. As long as disagree with Gimp's fluke analysis I'm cool with that. you're putting words in my mouth. I think that Gimp was saying exactly that. That the goal itself was fluke in terms of it coming from absolutely nothing. I could be wrong like. Holla at me gimp. It wasn't a worked opening in the same way that Cisse's 2nd against Chelsea a couple of years ago wasn't. Just a great and unexpected strike.

We are realy quite poor in the transition from attack to defence. Maybe that's why Pardew isn't an advocate of us flying forward. Perhaps he's worried that we don't get back into position quickly enough when we lose the ball. Well, that's true, we don't! Must be incredibly frustrating for the manager, coaches and players that we can't get these things right. They are fundamentals of the game.

I think he lacks confidence in the players. I think they realise this and they lose a bit self belief as well. That makes him lose even more confidence in them and it just starts becoming a negative cycle.

Scraping round for crumbs, we have conceded 5 and 6 in recent seasons with second half showings as bad as the first. At least we avoided that level of embarrassment. Martinez must be livid tbh. Because the game should have ended exactly like that.

It's a game that can't be won man. Does something wrong? Blamed and well deserved. Does anything right? Should have been doing it anyway, no credit. And anyone who thinks I'm misrepresenting the no-win fantasy world they live in, where the minimum acceptable criteria for a manager is "gets everything right all the time", please, provide a comprehensive list of things you would actually give pardew credit for. And I don't even like the f***er - although to some I'm sure if I'm not actively trying to set him on fire I must want to lick his hoop - I'm just tired of the ridiculous blindness on display sometimes. I love the I don't even like him disclaimer while defending him. Saying that there are some on here who would rather chew off their own dicks than say he got something right - and create unwinnable situations so that that can never happen - is not defending him. On this one, you don't know what you're talking about. Just leave it.

Oddly enough, i could still see the logic of starting him against Frazer Campbell.

The battered wives club have already covered their ears, mate.

If only sportsmen could be judged on what they said.

The main problem was Pardew, if you can't see it now then you never will. I'm sure this is wind up

He can't drill a team to play 4-3-3 either. The spaces between our midfield 3 was incredible. You could get a ferry through.

Has he not changed the second half round? I forgot he only gets the blame for s***. Never credit for the smallest of positives. I'm telling you now, and i'm sure there's others on here who've also played competitive sports. When you feel you've got nothing left to lose it's so much easier to play. The ones who succeed though are the ones who have the bottle to take that attitude into the START of a contest.

Unbelievable isn't it?

Pardew won't learn anything from this though. Nothing. He'll never have the guts to compete properly in a match like this from the off.

Everton are being totally robbed here! Even if it's just goal difference

He hardly ever cuts out a cross. He's like a quarter of the defender Enrique was.

He must injured. It would be utter and complete stupidity to take him off.

What really pisses me off is this 'having a go' when the match is as good as over. Courage is when you have a go when you've something to ffs.

The 2 teams genuinely look 2 divisions apart. We're lack any kind of coherence. It's like we're playing with 2 men less. No one knows what they're doing. Hope we can keep it like this until half time and see if Pardew can sort this out.

To be fair to him, he seemed positive for tonight, or at least not negative. Do we know if Remy and Cabaye are fit?

not to sound like Souness but they are a 'proper' club. Agree.

I think Southall's main criticism is Pardew's penchant for a ever widening and diversifying range of excuses.

You're a cynical chap aren't you? FWIW I think Ashley would be taking this free advertising even if we didn't owe him any money, he probably just sees it as a perk of owning a football club. I think it may be more than a perk. I think the SD exposure is probably the only reason.

I think we had to pay a fee to loan Remy.