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Clearly the World Cup should stay with AFC, perhaps a staunch US ally from the region with recent experience in hosting this kind of tournament could step in... Aye, Japan all the way. Sick of shite no mark countries getting the nod Walked right into that one To be honest the Americans hate the Japanese. Seventy years after the war and the Japanese still buy adverts on TV channels in the states to try and show they are no longer the enemy. ...I'm pretty sure that's not true

Clearly the World Cup should stay with AFC, perhaps a staunch US ally from the region with recent experience in hosting this kind of tournament could step in... Aye, Japan all the way. Sick of shite no mark countries getting the nod Walked right into that one

Clearly the World Cup should stay with AFC, perhaps a staunch US ally from the region with recent experience in hosting this kind of tournament could step in...

F B I, F B I, F B I, F B I, F B I, F B I, F B I, F B I, F B I If they actually take down Blatter, I think I might be willing to call this and the War on Terror a wash.

"Now that I have resigned and am no longer constrained by elections, I am now free to implement reforms." You just won an election you prick, the next one wasn't for another five years

and every item on McDonald's $1 menu Knowing Oliver, he's going to fucking do it on camera too.

He's going to buy NUFC now

Yup, the only reason for this sudden change of heart has to be that he's fucked and is desperately trying to do anything he can to get the heat off himself.

Man, I'm all for realism but you've become the forum's irrepressible black cloud recently. Recently ? I'm no better mind. Believe it or not I was once one of the last optimists/Ashley holdouts here.

Man, I'm all for realism but you've become the forum's irrepressible black cloud recently. Name one time in the past three years where the worst possible thing hasn't happened to this club. We didn't get relegated Debatable. Given what happened after, also debatable. I'll admit that it felt wonderful at the time. The Pardew one definitely isn't debatable IMO Like I said, it was amazing and cathartic at the time but how does it help in the long run? We have the same owners and we're stuck with a dude that's 10x worse at managing and just as odious.

Man, I'm all for realism but you've become the forum's irrepressible black cloud recently. Name one time in the past three years where the worst possible thing hasn't happened to this club. We didn't get relegated Debatable. Given what happened after, also debatable. I'll admit that it felt wonderful at the time.

Man, I'm all for realism but you've become the forum's irrepressible black cloud recently. Name one time in the past three years where the worst possible thing hasn't happened to this club.

To be honest, it's probably a bit unfair to McClaren that we've already labeled him as a sycophant on Pardew and Carver's level when he's already turned down the job once He didn't turn it down, he was just hedging his bets. If Derby had got promoted he'd have stayed, plus he would have been fearful of getting relegated with us if he did take the job with 3 games to go. Right, so for those reasons, he turned it down. Like I said, hedging his bets. Otherwise why is he still in the frame for the job now? If you believe the press speculation, it seems he's still going to be interviewed for the job this week, as is Vieira, although I find that one more unlikely myself. What I mean is, why do we assume that he'll do whatever Ashley says just to get/stay in the job when he's already turned down the job once when the conditions didn't suit him? I get that he's unexciting and all that (although even then, he's probably far too good for the shithole that is NUFC right now), but is there any reason to label him an Ashley sycophant other than the fact that he's English? Well let's hold off until we see which one ends up the job, McClaren or Vieira. I guess you'll have your answer. This is the spineless piece of shit who got sacked by a Championship club BTW, after failing to get them promoted two seasons in a row. Again, I don't deny that he's unexciting but we have no evidence for spineless. Plenty of bad managers with firm, robust spines out there. (Big Sam, Roy Keane etc.) Also it's all moot because we're appointing Carver.

McClaren is going to turn us down. I can feel it coming. It's like Game of Thrones. Whatever you think the worst-case scenario is, it can always be worse.

To be honest, it's probably a bit unfair to McClaren that we've already labeled him as a sycophant on Pardew and Carver's level when he's already turned down the job once He didn't turn it down, he was just hedging his bets. If Derby had got promoted he'd have stayed, plus he would have been fearful of getting relegated with us if he did take the job with 3 games to go. Right, so for those reasons, he turned it down. Like I said, hedging his bets. Otherwise why is he still in the frame for the job now? If you believe the press speculation, it seems he's still going to be interviewed for the job this week, as is Vieira, although I find that one more unlikely myself. What I mean is, why do we assume that he'll do whatever Ashley says just to get/stay in the job when he's already turned down the job once when the conditions didn't suit him? I get that he's unexciting and all that (although even then, he's probably far too good for the shithole that is NUFC right now), but is there any reason to label him an Ashley sycophant other than the fact that he's English? This is the man that was pretending to have a Dutch accent and er how you say in English conform like a spineless cunt after he got off the plane. He'll be speaking mercenary borrow boy bullshit within minutes of getting the job. Still can't figure out how he could possibly have thought that was a good idea

To be honest, it's probably a bit unfair to McClaren that we've already labeled him as a sycophant on Pardew and Carver's level when he's already turned down the job once He didn't turn it down, he was just hedging his bets. If Derby had got promoted he'd have stayed, plus he would have been fearful of getting relegated with us if he did take the job with 3 games to go. Right, so for those reasons, he turned it down. Like I said, hedging his bets. Otherwise why is he still in the frame for the job now? If you believe the press speculation, it seems he's still going to be interviewed for the job this week, as is Vieira, although I find that one more unlikely myself. What I mean is, why do we assume that he'll do whatever Ashley says just to get/stay in the job when he's already turned down the job once when the conditions didn't suit him? I get that he's unexciting and all that (although even then, he's probably far too good for the shithole that is NUFC right now), but is there any reason to label him an Ashley sycophant other than the fact that he's English?

To be honest, it's probably a bit unfair to McClaren that we've already labeled him as a sycophant on Pardew and Carver's level when he's already turned down the job once He didn't turn it down, he was just hedging his bets. If Derby had got promoted he'd have stayed, plus he would have been fearful of getting relegated with us if he did take the job with 3 games to go. Right, so for those reasons, he turned it down.

Back in the good 'ol Pardew days I probably would have bit your hand off if offered McClaren. Things should be no different now that the alternative is Carver.

To be honest, it's probably a bit unfair to McClaren that we've already labeled him as a sycophant on Pardew and Carver's level when he's already turned down the job once

It's also kind of depressing that the club's idea of "relatively exciting" is Martin Jol circa 2010 (probably past it) and Patrick Vieira circa 2015 (never managed)

Calm down, Vieira is just a smokescreen for McClaren who is just a smokescreen for Carver getting the job again. Smokescreen-ception.

What if McClaren is nothing more than a PR stunt before hiring Carver

All this bickering over McClaren v. Vieira is going to look silly when Carver is still our manager in August.

If he's not getting games it's going to be some other guy who's not good enough. At least Sammy is funny.