mrmojorisin75

so answer me ian, let's assume tactically pardew IS withdrawing the team with the intention of seeing out a 2-0 lead, or a 1-0 as we've also seen pretty often...the opposition score 1 in the second half and miss 2 clear cut chances to score, gilt-egded chances you're telling me there's no element of luck in that scenario and that i'm stupid for believing there is?

How is it possible to miss the point so dramatically? Nobody is gutted. People don't think it's sustainable to keep playing the way we are, like it hasn't been in the past. thank fuck some other people have turned up; HF, ian, brett, fulowashola all at once, inochi would have tipped me over the edge and well said hans, said what i wanted to say in a single sentence

what the fuck are you on about? no-one is saying pardew's gameplan is: 1st half: good football, pass it around, look for Loic in the space etc. etc. 2nd half: luck

single? how about 3 years worth of it? no-one is pointing to a single match - more that the last 3 very welcome victories hide the same failings the man has always had Krul broke the Premier league record for saves made, for any team. That's not happened week in week out. ..but you cut out the rest of my post that gave that sort of context with comparison to the Norwich game. no-one said it did already said i didn't see norwich, not much i can say about it

don't use single examples, it leads to bias

didn't see it brett, just going off the radio and chelp on here that we basically followed our usual pattern in the 2nd half, conceded and it was nervy to the end - i know you reckon it wasn't but plenty reckon it was, which drug do you trust? chelsea were very, very wasteful on the break first half as i've said before - they didn't create much in the end, but a team of their class would normally make more of the positions they found themselves in The Norwich match was nervy because we essentially stopped playing and they had the ball in and around the NUFC box for long periods in the last 30 minutes. Brett is right, though. They created very little. This was more to do with Norwich being a terrible football team, but it has to say we were lucky not to concede twice is very harsh given what the other team created. you'll note, of course, i've never made reference to us being lucky vs. norwich

single? how about 3 years worth of it? no-one is pointing to a single match - more that the last 3 very welcome victories hide the same failings the man has always had

didn't see it brett, just going off the radio and chelp on here that we basically followed our usual pattern in the 2nd half, conceded and it was nervy to the end - i know you reckon it wasn't but plenty reckon it was, which drug do you trust? chelsea were very, very wasteful on the break first half as i've said before - they didn't create much in the end, but a team of their class would normally make more of the positions they found themselves in

i imagine this is the crux of where everyone differs with luck, yours is a very literal interpretation that doesn't take into account the ebb and flow of a football match imo was bruce lucky to take a win from SJP? he was 1-0 down and we were well on top but he made tactical changes to mitigate something he couldn't necessarily control 100% and walked away with the points pardew couldn't respond on any level to AVB's changes and spurs onslaught at WHL, they created enough chances to bury us but took none for me that will always be classed as lucky to a certain degree

Not convinced by your arguement. You're just saying his tactics are lucky because he doesn't play the way you way you would want us to play. If he likes to take leads and sit back and counter second half, that's his decision to make. If he likes to sit back from the start and grow into the game or counter attack when away from home, once again that's his decision. That's how he prefers to approach games, it can hardly be classed as a lucky style of play. we've been over it, it's not lucky if we professionally close games out and prevent the other team from creating chances, it's luck if we allow them onto us, they create chances and don't take them like the spurs game

perhaps they're always more irritated by what he does wrong consistently and repeatedly ian? example: we're playing better football this season with our team full of internationals, some have this in the plus column for pards, others won't credit him 'cause the only thing stopping us playing like this for the last 18 months was him (remember all the talk of the same players not being good enough in order to excuse him last year? ) example: we're playing good football at times and remy is scoring, yet 3 years later we can't maintain this for +45 minutes so whether you believe it's a tactical approach or that the players can't make it past 45 minutes only when playing for NUFC it still falls at the managers door

reasons are already well stated and established for the 5th season brett, i would never say that finish was 100% as that's nonsense but there was a massive element of luck involved in a lot of the season, not only only in our own games but the circumstances that caused chelsea to lose focus in the league, for example as for this season if he can get the team to perform for more than 45 minutes consistently, perhaps fully dominate the odd game here and there people (like me) would shut up, however if we finish well yet continue to hang on in games and rely on the other teams profligacy too often then he'll be called out for being a lucky cunt again pardew is the managerial embodiment of the old football saying that the scoreline doesn't always reflect the game...in fact this board seems split between those who understand this, and those who don't

i take your general point but

He was lucky to be appointed for this job but that's about it. He wasn't lucky to finish 5th, he wasn’t unlucky to finish 16th and we certainly aren't currently lucky to be in 8th place. It’s been a promising start to the season performance and result wise, just hope we can continue to build on it and keep improving as the season progresses. bullshit

wahey there we go again, making things up

we're writing Haidara off now are we?

something i find baffling about football in many respect but lets be specific: the rules are dogshit, and they're dogshit for everyone, so why do clubs just sit back and take it from the FA year after year? the clubs are the money machines, threaten the FA with walking away and setting up their own league these fucking cowards would ask how high to jump yet year on year it's the same shit, can't think of another industry like it personally

he's the luckiest manager i've seen at NUFC in 20+ years of watching, almost everyone before him was characterised by awful fortune, not this bellend

ian, we know this, which is why at the time people were saying that basing a gameplan on 9 players rigidly defending and firing long balls to ba to fight for was not sustainable...turns out it was not sustainable, who'd have thunk it? the point is you develop right? we've done that to a degree, we can play good football and hurt teams, yet pardew deliberately stops us from doing this when we go in front

now we're actually capable of dominating teams and the manager won't let them

let me clarify for those of you incapable of understanding (or deliberately being arseholes), in the comparison to the 5th season i was referring to the fact we got a lot of results in games where we were the second best team for major parts and nicked a goal through having a top quality striker, we rarely dominated teams home or away, we deliberately sat back on leads and rode our luck on many occasions, we had trouble breaking down teams who came to SJP and parked the bus we're a better attacking force now, play nicer football, but many of the same failings are there i'm afraid like everyone else, i'd be ecstatic if we finished 5th

jesus fucking knew it was a mistake

Luck or whatever- I would take your fucking hand off for that. i didn't mean results-wise tbh

i was away to delete that post through sheer at the thought of the responses it's going to get from the usual but you've quoted it now

i can't understand what 'other lot' are trying to say about the first half vs. chelsea and second half vs. spurs like they seem to be under the impression that we gave some type of italian style defensive masterclass when the reality is chelsea were very wasteful on the break for a team of their class and spurs missed X amount of clear cut chances that would have changed the entire shape of the match, and some of them were fucking diabolical misses and all + great saves obviously call it luck, good fortune or whatever the fuck you want but we all know both games might easily have gone very differently due to the tactics of pardew, as it is we won so he looks like a genius to some - 5th season all over again with prettier football