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what? what do you class as an average manager then? MON is just an Irish KK. Above average motivator, lacking in the other skills needed to be a decent manager. agreed, i see them as very similar to be honest - neither should be considered average by an stretch of the imagination imo as for madras you're saying nothing you've seen in his career to date suggests that MoN is any better than the likes of pardew & hughton? madness

what? what do you class as an average manager then?

that not the right tactics for us here? we clearly can't play football for shit, do they have enough to open us up without getting in behind?

dud wtf is that picture in your avatar?

that's the spirit

Still. . . gotta love him, right? gotta love you

woeful

every time messi breaks another record or wins another award i can't help but wonder how cristiano ronaldo feels about it all, assuming the stats are right he's scored 45 from 41 this season and they're very likely to win the league but no-one bats an eyelid about him couldn't happen to a nicer fella

54 goals so far and barca having their worst league season in what 3-4 years? 10 games left in the league and potentially 5 left in the CL (aren't they still in the spanish cup too?) what the fucking fuck man

can you imagine what keegan would do with ba, cisse, hba, cabaye, tiote & jonas as a front 6 man? or bobby for that matter

yes and no, MoN is an above average manager like

Good. We can now close the thread Great post though Disagree. It's not much more than a positive spin, whether any of that is an endorsement of Pardew as a manager is debateable. to be fair while i'm on your side 100% what the lad has stated here has as much grounding in fact and reality than anything you or i are claiming...

good lad

mackemfags i like it

I don't think that the negative Pardew posts are as objective and rational as they should be - certainly not as rational as your post. Quite quickly they degenerate into either just plain abuse and name calling of Pardew or posts suggesting that he is clueless, tactically naive and a PR man (or all of the above). you pipe up with this type of thing from time to time, i'm not seeing it myself - look at the last few pages, a rational discussion and analysis of things from both sides with no name calling

in my heart of heart i guess i know this too but still feel he's got to be given more time to change it, experience tells me he won't though

is it not just what he did at west ham though? big lad up top, hard working wingers, get the ball forward as early as possible, under use genuinely top class footballers for some reason to the point of alienation (to come for hba), have a good season or two then when the wheels come off have no answer to how to stop it? it all seems eerily similar to me dave's post was spot on as well by the way, the good aspects of his approach are becoming more sporadic, that's all anyone is really saying

You're missing group C : Get rid, we've seen through the flim flam. there's not enough of them to constitute a group imo

at some point we're going to have to question if it's the right time for us to make it into europe? If we want to improve the football, being there will give us a far stronger position in the transfer market to replace our weaker players. This is the perfect time to get into Europe. i actually wasn't considering style of play there, more size of squad...unless we have 4-5 good players lined up to come in (inc. a GOOD CB) i think qualifying for the europa league would end up being a bloodbath for us...i'd rather have the same 4-5 players and concentrate on developing at home and bedding them in

at some point we're going to have to question if it's the right time for us to make it into europe?

exactly! people act like pardew is just an innocent bystander in events and can do nothing to alter the inevitable course of fate it's his job

We have a seasons worth of performances that show little correlation between possession/domination & results in comparison to the importance of simply having a very strong defensive system and attackers that will do enough to get the points. If teams have a very hard time scoring against you & you are good at putting the ball in the net, you will win games against most sides. Pardew has put in place the defensive system that achieves that & bought the attackers that do the business the other side. In what way is it likely that this will suddenly stop working? In contrast to our 'achievements' this season of playing the brand of football you just described, we have many seasons worth of performance (courtesy of the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and even Liverpool to some extent) that shows that if you do want to aim for Europe and higher, then possession football and dominating games (especially against weaker teams) is an absolute must. No team (to my memory at least) has played the type of football that we are playing and yet has proven to be consistently successful in qualifying for Europe which begs the question can we repeat this next season or is this a one season wonder? Nobody is disputing that this model is currently working for us (at least to get 6th so far), but what many are saying is that if we continue using the same model and based on the experience of the other successful teams, then we will either screw up at the finishing line or find it difficult to repeat the same form next year. If you think this season's form can be repeated every season without changing our style of play, then we just fundamentally disagree and I dare say that your view would be contrary to the evidence displayed by all the top teams (defined as qualifying for Europe through league standings) over the last few seasons. awaiting response: but look at the results, we're 6th man!

We have a seasons worth of performances that show little correlation between possession/domination & results in comparison to the importance of simply having a very strong defensive system and attackers that will do enough to get the points. If teams have a very hard time scoring against you & you are good at putting the ball in the net, you will win games against most sides. Pardew has put in place the defensive system that achieves that & bought the attackers that do the business the other side. In what way is it likely that this will suddenly stop working? you've mentioned the two parts of pardew's gameplan which i agree is essentially the basis of his approach, then you ask how will it suddenly stop working? i'll tell you how; given the inherent complexity of the plan all it takes is for either the defence to become more porous or the attackers to be unable to keep scoring from the scraps they're given by launching the ball up the field every single time it's a system that requires both to work all of the time, if you have a system and approach that includes the midfield doing creative things and the team as a whole coached to build attacks together through passing football then that adds another dimension that has to fail completely before results start going south it's fairly simple

classic NO forum "debate" going on again: Group A: results have been good, performances poor and ultimately that's likely to lead to poorer results unless pardew changes his tactics and selections in the long run... Group B: we're 6th man, you can't criticize pardew for results, it's a disgrace to even think of that Group A: agree that results are good, saying that in future they're likely to not be good anymore Group B: but results are good, we're 6th man repeat until pardew is fired

not before they compile a list of people who've had similar problems across boxing to the same level of detail for comparison i'd have thought , otherwise what would be the point?