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touchy touchy, was just thinking out loud about an idea that occurred to me like they way you discredit it with no supporting evidence whatsoever though by saying it's "daft", as good as my "applecart" one that

we can see it,if we are in this position on sept 1st. we'll not be happy. the difference between me and you is you believe nothing is happening because things haven't happened yet...i think we'll get more bodies in by that date. only time will tell nah i wouldn't say i think nothing is happening, far from it actually where we differ is my lack of confidence in the club being able to conclude deals for genuinely top drawer players - any club can bid for any player, finalising a deal is something else entirely as we are seeing time will tell

the money they get back on players is the most impressive part of their setup really but it's also basically what seems to hamstring them from truly progressing if they'd kept keane/berbatov AND added who they've added/are adding you'd think they were going places for sure but as it is they're probably gonna have to sign untried players up front so they might end up better off in one department (midfield) and worse in another (up front) still its a fucksite better than some of our transfer defecit dealings the last few years, jesus!

Judging by any Spurs fan that I've ever known, the answer is merchandising.

fuck spurs, good luck to them really at least they're having a go, we've got our own very real problems to contend with as much as some people might like to believe we don't the fact is within our current depleted, somewhat shit, squad we have some bright points (zog, owen, enrique, martins, taylor [perhaps], faye, beye, our keepers, maybe spiderman & guthrie) but if we do not move to strengthen ourselves NOW then we will probably be looking at 5 years minimum before we can catch the spurs, pompeys, evertons & man city's of this world as they are all moving forward steadily in standing still we will fall very far behind - i wish some people could see it, i really do

fuckin love the way that in this thread and various others people have managed to convince themselves that somehow our outlay on players is good enough by pointing out spurs don't have a DM & some players they're signing haven't played in the league before it's hilarious, it really is hope i'm finding it this funny next season when i'm watching a combination of geremi, barton, guthrie, butt & smith in midfield pinging passes into the milburn paddock

link? couldnt find it http://www.deportivo-la-coruna.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1717&page=75 post no.1112. my reading of the agents newest quotes is that he is basically saying..."depor have the choice of making cash on him now or have an unhappy player for a season who'll leave on a webster next summer unless depor can match the wages NUFC offered" that's how i read the whole thing madras, threaten the s*** out of them, hopefully it'll work it's not even a threat,it's just the agent telling the press the actual situation. well yeah, but it's a threat as well isn't it? if you don't do this we'll do that as a direct result - is that not a threat

link? couldnt find it http://www.deportivo-la-coruna.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1717&page=75 post no.1112. my reading of the agents newest quotes is that he is basically saying..."depor have the choice of making cash on him now or have an unhappy player for a season who'll leave on a webster next summer unless depor can match the wages NUFC offered" that's how i read the whole thing madras, threaten the shit out of them, hopefully it'll work

Whats good about this is both the player and agent want this to go through as in the past there has always been another club in for a player as well and the agent plays a waiting game till he gets the best deal for his man but every thing is sorted but Deportivos f***ing about with the fee and obviously thats the only stumbling block so imho its our man till Spuds put in a late bid to scupper it if it is too be believed, after today they won't have too much money left Jew's always have some gold stashed away somewhere! Controversial. ususally in a little bag around their necks i believe A good friend of mine, Richard the Lionheart I beleive, used to tell me that too. Thats why he on the quite condoned a night of murder and beating of Jews in London just after he was coronated. Always a night on the piss to Spur you on i was quoting south park, dunno what the rest of you are on about?!

my mates a hearts fan and still rages about webster - he told me it was do with players approaching the last year of their contract and of a certain age (i thought above 28 but maybe above 26?) this ties in with coloccini - he'd be able to do it at the end of the coming season and walk away for "nothing" then christ in all the speculating i could have just looked it up, coulda but didna!

Serious question and don't get me wrong, this is not at all to say I would have been happier if we would have paid 8 or 10 million for Gutierrez, but have you considered we may have targeted Jonas BECAUSE we could attract him on a bargain, rather than despite this fact? Personally I can imagine the club looking at the Webster ruling and sounding out potential targets who were eligible to move due to this new regulation, which is good business sense of course if (and only if) the player is of the required quality and deserves to be applauded if (and only if) it means the money available for transfers goes towards other (squad and first team) signings we desperately need. Ultimately it is about making the money available go as far as you can, and to that effect there is nothing wrong with a bargain or two, but the real question here is whether enough money has been/is being made available to strengthen the squad to the level required to realise the club's ambitions. If you're suggesting we were tapping them up before they handed their notice in I hope you're wrong. There are pretty serious consequences for that kind of thing in this situation, and I'm not talking about a couple of million quid donation to a charity. I wouldn't want us to be the ones to test the water. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be that stupid. Agree with the rest of it. If there's money left over because we've bought some bargains, then there's no reason why we have to wait a season to see if these bargains come good when we could additionally bring in a new quality striker for example and hopefully speed up the process of getting back up the table. Within reason of course, I'm not a fan of making too many changes to a squad at a time, and they'd have to be a player Keegan wants too, I'm not at all suggesting buying for buying's sake. UV i thought about posting this yesterday but never did - you've reminded me: ashley is renowned for upsetting the applecart in the business world right? doesn't mind pissing off the blue chips if he ends up successful; i just seriously hope he hasn't seen a niche in the game here, a way to pick good players up on the cheap by getting them to invoke the webster ruling all legal issues aside we'll be hated, utterly HATED throughout the game & people would simply not do business with us that is not something we want to become seems unlikely as we could have done it with coloccini but according to the agent we've met the demands of the depor chairman who then moves the goalposts again (as he did with luque) eh? thought coloccini was threatening to invoke that rule at the end of this coming season if they stop him moving NOW for the fee agreed as people have pointed out the ruling only applies within 15 days of the end of the season past, therefore that would add up so we'd need to wait another season to get him if we were doing that when we need him now see? what i mean is if its true we've been in discussions with the club and agent for 3 month you'd have thought he would have invoked the webster rule within the proper timeframe oh yeah i see - but i thought it was to do with the length of contract from when it was signed, no? is it just above a certain age? in that case you're right yeah

Serious question and don't get me wrong, this is not at all to say I would have been happier if we would have paid 8 or 10 million for Gutierrez, but have you considered we may have targeted Jonas BECAUSE we could attract him on a bargain, rather than despite this fact? Personally I can imagine the club looking at the Webster ruling and sounding out potential targets who were eligible to move due to this new regulation, which is good business sense of course if (and only if) the player is of the required quality and deserves to be applauded if (and only if) it means the money available for transfers goes towards other (squad and first team) signings we desperately need. Ultimately it is about making the money available go as far as you can, and to that effect there is nothing wrong with a bargain or two, but the real question here is whether enough money has been/is being made available to strengthen the squad to the level required to realise the club's ambitions. If you're suggesting we were tapping them up before they handed their notice in I hope you're wrong. There are pretty serious consequences for that kind of thing in this situation, and I'm not talking about a couple of million quid donation to a charity. I wouldn't want us to be the ones to test the water. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be that stupid. Agree with the rest of it. If there's money left over because we've bought some bargains, then there's no reason why we have to wait a season to see if these bargains come good when we could additionally bring in a new quality striker for example and hopefully speed up the process of getting back up the table. Within reason of course, I'm not a fan of making too many changes to a squad at a time, and they'd have to be a player Keegan wants too, I'm not at all suggesting buying for buying's sake. UV i thought about posting this yesterday but never did - you've reminded me: ashley is renowned for upsetting the applecart in the business world right? doesn't mind pissing off the blue chips if he ends up successful; i just seriously hope he hasn't seen a niche in the game here, a way to pick good players up on the cheap by getting them to invoke the webster ruling all legal issues aside we'll be hated, utterly HATED throughout the game & people would simply not do business with us that is not something we want to become seems unlikely as we could have done it with coloccini but according to the agent we've met the demands of the depor chairman who then moves the goalposts again (as he did with luque) eh? thought coloccini was threatening to invoke that rule at the end of this coming season if they stop him moving NOW for the fee agreed as people have pointed out the ruling only applies within 15 days of the end of the season past, therefore that would add up so we'd need to wait another season to get him if we were doing that when we need him now see?

How much do you think he's worth? think his price is bang on - consider woodgate (8m to spurs right?) woodgate is probably the better defender by far but his price lower due to him being a cripple...9m for a 26 year old regular argentinian CB, good value to me not that i'm believing the papers mind :wink:

Whats good about this is both the player and agent want this to go through as in the past there has always been another club in for a player as well and the agent plays a waiting game till he gets the best deal for his man but every thing is sorted but Deportivos f***ing about with the fee and obviously thats the only stumbling block so imho its our man till Spuds put in a late bid to scupper it if it is too be believed, after today they won't have too much money left Jew's always have some gold stashed away somewhere! Controversial. ususally in a little bag around their necks i believe

I heard a whisper that ManU have given Spurs until Friday and then they will walk away. I'd heard much the same, up to the end of July then walk away. Gone by the weekend is what I've heard today. There's no way Levy will accept £20m for him which is all Utd have offered so far. what's the inside track on berbatov then Jol? lets assume the deal falls through and he has to stay you reckon that's his dummy out for next season? are things at that point with him and spurs?

i honestly don't see the fuss is about for bentley, the only thing i remember last season he scored twice against us good player but not worth over 15 million imo, he needs to score more goals for that Its a fair point and I admit they probably are overpaying, but it seems that is the general theme for this transfer window, good players are at a premium and to improve a squad it is taking mucho cash - even Fulham are at it (though questin whether they are good players ), so are Arsenal (£11m odd for Nasri). I like Bentley as a player and he is better than what we have got, but concede he is over priced. said the same neesy, unless he makes a quantam leap with what he produces on the field in the next season or two he'll be a waste of time personally i'm not sure what he is - i don't see that he's good enough on the wing or in the centre, seems a bit confused himself...maybe if spurs play 3 in the middle he'll flourish? i'd be surprised if anyone tells me they think he could go into a game against any of the top four midfields and dominate a game...THAT's what you should be paying that kind of fee for and i just don't see he ever will nothing to do with spurs by the way, just my opinion of the lad

hoooooooooooold on a minute, we're allowed to believe the papers now? and quotes from foreign agents? i wish you fuckers would keep me informed of this stuff, i lose track - perhaps some kind of handy skysportsnews style ticker at the bottom of the website to say what we can consider credible and what to dismiss zing!

Its as much as 50% on some young lads who got let go. Sounds about right the 25% does! ba ha ha, spurs massively overpaying for a player arsenal bagged and a large chunk of the fee going back to them!! you couldn't write it

Serious question and don't get me wrong, this is not at all to say I would have been happier if we would have paid 8 or 10 million for Gutierrez, but have you considered we may have targeted Jonas BECAUSE we could attract him on a bargain, rather than despite this fact? Personally I can imagine the club looking at the Webster ruling and sounding out potential targets who were eligible to move due to this new regulation, which is good business sense of course if (and only if) the player is of the required quality and deserves to be applauded if (and only if) it means the money available for transfers goes towards other (squad and first team) signings we desperately need. Ultimately it is about making the money available go as far as you can, and to that effect there is nothing wrong with a bargain or two, but the real question here is whether enough money has been/is being made available to strengthen the squad to the level required to realise the club's ambitions. If you're suggesting we were tapping them up before they handed their notice in I hope you're wrong. There are pretty serious consequences for that kind of thing in this situation, and I'm not talking about a couple of million quid donation to a charity. I wouldn't want us to be the ones to test the water. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be that stupid. Agree with the rest of it. If there's money left over because we've bought some bargains, then there's no reason why we have to wait a season to see if these bargains come good when we could additionally bring in a new quality striker for example and hopefully speed up the process of getting back up the table. Within reason of course, I'm not a fan of making too many changes to a squad at a time, and they'd have to be a player Keegan wants too, I'm not at all suggesting buying for buying's sake. UV i thought about posting this yesterday but never did - you've reminded me: ashley is renowned for upsetting the applecart in the business world right? doesn't mind pissing off the blue chips if he ends up successful; i just seriously hope he hasn't seen a niche in the game here, a way to pick good players up on the cheap by getting them to invoke the webster ruling all legal issues aside we'll be hated, utterly HATED throughout the game & people would simply not do business with us that is not something we want to become

How many times does it have to be said that transfers don't just happen because you want them too. Its usually a long slow process of negotiation (the transfers of Jonas and Guthrie being the exception) and they can often fall through. Look at Modric, Woodgate and Aimar, we made firm offers totalling £32 million for the three of them and got none of them. Meanwhile we've offered £9.5 million (exactly the fee asked for apparently) for Coloccino and the c*** at Depor now wants even more, so that may also end without a signing. Some people seem to have this idea that every day we don't sign a player is a day that Mike Ashley has wisheld money, its nonesense! You can't just stick £50 million in the hands of Keegan/Wise/Vetere ect and say "Right I want £50 million worth of players tomorrow".. fine point that teasy - the alleged stories about the luque deal (if true) highlight what happens when you don't set your stall out BUT there must come a point where our valuation of a player vs the selling clubs valuation has to give...if the coloccini stuff is true then the whole things on hold for less than 1m GBP right? do we pay that extra or face the prospect of not bringing in a new quality CB we obviously appear to rate? principles are great, i'm sure we all agree that, but if principles see us start next season with alan smith, damien duff, shola ameobi and cacapa in or on the fringe of our first team & us still having no midfield to speak of then frankly those principles can fuck right off

In 06-07 only two clubs spent more than us and we finished 13th. It's good this game. see my next post dave and try to take it in - it's not about whether we spend MORE than these clubs, it's about whether we spend what we need to spend to at least keep up with them, in fact lets change that to CATCH them first then we'll have to start thinking about keeping up with them the period you refer to is universally accepted as one of turmoil and s*** managers so the point is moot in my eyes anyway if you think, what, 12m net spend so far under ashley is OK then so be it check soccer base 1997-98...net spend £5,700,000 Finished 13th 1998-99...net spend £8,000,000 Finished 13th 1999-00...net spend £9,600,000 Finished 11th 2000-01...net spend -£4,100,000 Finished 11th 2001-02...net spend £25,000,000 Finished 4th 2002-03...net spend £15,000,000 Finished 3rd 2003-04...net spend £100,000 Finished 5th 2004-05..net spend £2,750,000 Finished 14th 2005-06..net spend £18,800,000 Finished 7th 2006-07 net spend £16,700,000 Finished 13th 2007-08 net spend £1,850,000 Finished 12th dude, i've never once claimed that spending = success nor will i, there are too many variables in football for that one thing i will say is that since the dawn of the EPL only arsenal have come close to winning it (won it) without breaking transfer records and any club who has crept up the league by being prudent have always fallen back down eventually what i was getting at was the idea that the previous regime always backed their manager. sometimes they didn't and that was when they could have took the risk as the debt and wage levels weren't so high. particularly if you look at 2002 to 2005 when we should have been building on the back of champs lge money we didn't. no doubt ne5 will raise woodgate came in january. if you want to join him in with that summers signings then take £9mill off 2002-03 to even things out. ah no arguments from me on that front - that period will always stick in my mind as our biggest opportunity lost in my time supporting the club it was all there for the taking then - under KK first time as good as it was i was never sure it was gonna last, under robson i thought we'd finally put the post-KK dogshit years behind us and would nail it down long term we didn't

In 06-07 only two clubs spent more than us and we finished 13th. It's good this game. see my next post dave and try to take it in - it's not about whether we spend MORE than these clubs, it's about whether we spend what we need to spend to at least keep up with them, in fact lets change that to CATCH them first then we'll have to start thinking about keeping up with them the period you refer to is universally accepted as one of turmoil and s*** managers so the point is moot in my eyes anyway if you think, what, 12m net spend so far under ashley is OK then so be it check soccer base 1997-98...net spend £5,700,000 Finished 13th 1998-99...net spend £8,000,000 Finished 13th 1999-00...net spend £9,600,000 Finished 11th 2000-01...net spend -£4,100,000 Finished 11th 2001-02...net spend £25,000,000 Finished 4th 2002-03...net spend £15,000,000 Finished 3rd 2003-04...net spend £100,000 Finished 5th 2004-05..net spend £2,750,000 Finished 14th 2005-06..net spend £18,800,000 Finished 7th 2006-07 net spend £16,700,000 Finished 13th 2007-08 net spend £1,850,000 Finished 12th dude, i've never once claimed that spending = success nor will i, there are too many variables in football for that one thing i will say is that since the dawn of the EPL only arsenal have come close to winning it (won it) without breaking transfer records and any club who has crept up the league by being prudent have always fallen back down eventually

If Gutierrez is any good (I have no idea), then he will probably be a good value signing (we have no idea how much of a signing on bonus we're giving him, or the wages he's on so how can we really judge). Ditto Guthrie. Two swallows though... We aren't the only club looking for good deals, and wont be the only club to pick up a couple of cheap players who turn out to be bargains (whisper it, but we've done it in the past too!). Other clubs will be doing that AS WELL AS spending transfer fees and wages on players with established and proven ability. Honest question to you or anyone else - do you think Gutierrez and/or Guthrie were signed instead of Modric? I ask because we've gone from being willing to spend £18m on an attacking midfielder (so obviously we thought the position needed filling) to our most important positions now being 2 fullbacks (I would assume cover for Beye but maybe more experienced competition for Enrique). UV i've asked that question a hundred different ways on here and there'll be answer - if the modric bid was real then as you say the position had to be a priority and one we were willing to pay top dollar for what happened? maybe they still want someone for that position ,just they haven't informed you about it yet ? nah i'd have been the first to be told, what with an ego my size

If Gutierrez is any good (I have no idea), then he will probably be a good value signing (we have no idea how much of a signing on bonus we're giving him, or the wages he's on so how can we really judge). Ditto Guthrie. Two swallows though... We aren't the only club looking for good deals, and wont be the only club to pick up a couple of cheap players who turn out to be bargains (whisper it, but we've done it in the past too!). Other clubs will be doing that AS WELL AS spending transfer fees and wages on players with established and proven ability. Honest question to you or anyone else - do you think Gutierrez and/or Guthrie were signed instead of Modric? I ask because we've gone from being willing to spend £18m on an attacking midfielder (so obviously we thought the position needed filling) to our most important positions now being 2 fullbacks (I would assume cover for Beye but maybe more experienced competition for Enrique). UV i've asked that question a hundred different ways on here and there'll be answer - if the modric bid was real then as you say the position had to be a priority and one we were willing to pay top dollar for what happened?

I don't get it either. Why sack a man they didn't want, get their own and then NOT back him? Makes no sense, that's why I'm confident something will give; either they'll back him or he'll walk. hope to fuck you're right (about the backing not the walking)