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i'm in agreement slugsy, fuckin give them away as far as i'm concerned but a business just can't justify that to itself man you have to hope there have been some nibbles of interest in both and the club are playing the waiting game...pretty fuckin shit hand to play though when neither "striker" appears to even know what a goal is

I suspect Jonas might be used as one of the midfield 3 and as cover for Martins or Owen when they are injured. i suspect you're right...he's all athleticism and workload i hear...kk might be turning him into a box to boxer...lets face, we need one

I don't think he is all that and he lacks the legs to play box-to-box the way he does in a 4-4-2 in my opinion, looked decent in the 4-3-3 though I think our biggest problem with 4-4-2 isn't our midfield but a lack of a striker who will drop deep to link play up, Owen does it well in a 4-3-1-2 formation but in a 4-4-2 he doesn't get up to support his strike partner quick enough. Keegan really needs to go back to the formation he had success with last season. can't fully agree with that, successful 4-4-2's either need CM's who control the game through ball retention and passing, and/or destroyers who can pass it onto more creative players our CM's have neither the quality nor the physicality to make 4-4-2 viable; every other aspect of the team is arguably suited to it

never a truer (sp?) word said to be honest

No, no, no, no, no. He's an absolute liability that close to our own goal. he is as well mind, he's like the venom to spiderman but for DM's (i'm not that big a nerd before anyone starts!!) might as well put shola there ffs

I agree with this. ManU and Arsenal away are games that I don't expect us to win at any rate. But our defenders haven't been playing poorly, and we're getting Coloccini in this week, so maybe our back four can stop the onslaught and at least get us out of those two games without a huge goal difference deficit. to be fair, after last seasons massacres at the hands of manu losing both of those games 1/2-0 would feel like a victory in itself tell you one thing though, both manu and arsenal have been known to have stutters right at the beginning of the season - if we go there and battle like dogs we might get lucky? nah, just doesn't wash does it?

lets be honest, we're getting a fucking by manu & arsenal anyways what we have to avoid at all costs is making an arse of the bolton & hull games...if we come out of the first 4 games with 6 points it'll be no less than what i'd have expected without injuries or a shit pre-season, plus we'll have the added bonus of seeing the back of 2 of the hardest away games in the league come out of the first four games with 1-4 points and it looks a hell of a lot worse personally i think 6 points is exactly what we'll get

is he fuck if arsenal sign alonso for a decent fee they'll be the winners in this whole gig - alonso sitting deep spraying passes about for arsenals pace-merchants to get on the end of...frightening prospect

you can quote me on this: if martins stays fit and the rest of the team play anywhere near a decent standard then martins is gonna be fucking immense next season for us not saying owen won't be, but i think keegan will see in martins everything he needs to tear opposing teams apart - if he can get the midfield to play him into the right areas (as they did at the end of the season) and actually catch up to him to get on the end of his stuff we'll be in business oh, and a lot of people are conveniently forgetting that it was awfully coincidental that once martins started hitting form so did owen in his AM role - perhaps using the space martins created for him?

oh aye i know that and as i hit post and realised i hadn't made myself clear: "my problem is we haven't yet managed to combine reaching a fee with a club and an agreement with a player that's of PROVEN quality which leads me to believe we won't do so during the window" bear in mind imho we need 3 more first teamers (i'm counting spiderman to make 4 by the way, guthrie as young) as an absolute bare minimum for next season dave, so if we end up with coloccini paid for and no-one else i'll consider that a total failure, if you see what i mean? i've said all along i might be wrong, and the truth might be that the club are negotiating hard with the intent of making sure we're not being fleeced for players - that will only be a good policy if they succeed, if they fail then we all suffer don't we? I'd consider that scenario failure too. People seem to think I won't, for some reason. same way they think people like me will only be happy with 100m spend - too many extremes on this forum and not enough reading of what's posted

You'd not be happy with Arshavin either then I take it? arshavin? i wouldn't judge him like i've not judged spiderman yet because all i've seen of him was the euros - the fact that he'd cost 24m or something doesn't make him good in my opinion arshavin is a player of the moment due to the euro's, i think for the money being talked about you could go and convince werder to sell diego (and the player to come with wages) or any number of other players who have scored goals and made assists consistently at the top level arshavin is a gamble at that price, a huge one Fair enough. I just don't think anyone would be complaining if we got him, for the very reasons I've mentioned (huge fee, current popular name etc). Nobody would give a monkeys about your perfectly valid concerns. The point is I believe we have a major struggle on to buy players who we can attract here, who are not demanding ridiculous fees and wages, will fit into the current and planned team/system without a problem and yet can satisfy the fans' desire to see the best footballers in the world lighting up SJP. It's just not that easy, because we're not the draw we were. If it's right that the club is seeking to get things back on a more even keel then I find that admirable, especially considering we're in this position exactly because we've thrown large money at shite and got nothing in return. Put it this way, if we could bin Smith and Duff from the wage bill I'm sure that would free up money for a really good player (one who we could trust Keegan to find, unlike Souness, Roeder and Allardyce). Sadly I don't think anybody wants them so we're stuck. you're probably right about a lot of things there - i for one am very, very disappointed that we'll be seeing duff & smith again next season (although i guess we'll see an improvement in both) as it would have cleared some wage bill room yeah, assuming that IS a problem dave, i just don't believe that had we rated turan (as an example) before or even after the euros he wouldn't have come - even if we had to pay 15m for him as long as he's not on owen style wages (how much can a 21 year old be on at a financially crippled turkish club?) there's no issue for me...you have to pay for players sometimes the stuff with spiderman & coloccini lend credence to this - they want to come to us for the "deal of their lives", that doesn't have to be 70k a week in a lot of cases but we're gonna have to be willing to pay the fees where we need to if coloccini is willing to come to us given the clubs he's played for & and his international pedigree what makes you so sure others WON'T? Turan is probably the best example you could have named, so I can't disagree there. We were linked before the Euros (might be total bollocks though, who knows) and I think we could have got him. But a good tournament and your agent suddely decides Newcastle aren't big enough, aiming higher and wanting more cash. Same for the selling club. So if we wanted him we certainly should have got it tied up. Then again, would his club have entertained a deal, hoping he had a storming Euros? Who knows. As regards your final question, given that the transfer window is still open, I'd like to ask you the same. see no reason we couldn't go back for turan, his euros weren't THAT good and there doesn't appear to be a path getting beaten to sign him.... as for your question back to me it doesn't quite work dave, i've just been saying the players would come if we agree fees with clubs and offer them decent/good wages...you're saying our stock has fallen so far they wouldn't come unless we pay them mega wages aren't you? coloccini & spiderman blow this theory out of the water - spain, turkey & italy all allegedly pay a lot less than the EPL these days so i see no foundation for the belief they'd only come for crazy money my problem is we haven't yet managed to combine reaching a fee with a club and an agreement with a player that's of PROVEN quality My feeling is the likes of Turan are still in the frame. strangely enough, given what i've been writing recently, so do i

oh aye i know that and as i hit post and realised i hadn't made myself clear: "my problem is we haven't yet managed to combine reaching a fee with a club and an agreement with a player that's of PROVEN quality which leads me to believe we won't do so during the window" bear in mind imho we need 3 more first teamers (i'm counting spiderman to make 4 by the way, guthrie as young) as an absolute bare minimum for next season dave, so if we end up with coloccini paid for and no-one else i'll consider that a total failure, if you see what i mean? i've said all along i might be wrong, and the truth might be that the club are negotiating hard with the intent of making sure we're not being fleeced for players - that will only be a good policy if they succeed, if they fail then we all suffer don't we?

You'd not be happy with Arshavin either then I take it? arshavin? i wouldn't judge him like i've not judged spiderman yet because all i've seen of him was the euros - the fact that he'd cost 24m or something doesn't make him good in my opinion arshavin is a player of the moment due to the euro's, i think for the money being talked about you could go and convince werder to sell diego (and the player to come with wages) or any number of other players who have scored goals and made assists consistently at the top level arshavin is a gamble at that price, a huge one Fair enough. I just don't think anyone would be complaining if we got him, for the very reasons I've mentioned (huge fee, current popular name etc). Nobody would give a monkeys about your perfectly valid concerns. The point is I believe we have a major struggle on to buy players who we can attract here, who are not demanding ridiculous fees and wages, will fit into the current and planned team/system without a problem and yet can satisfy the fans' desire to see the best footballers in the world lighting up SJP. It's just not that easy, because we're not the draw we were. If it's right that the club is seeking to get things back on a more even keel then I find that admirable, especially considering we're in this position exactly because we've thrown large money at shite and got nothing in return. Put it this way, if we could bin Smith and Duff from the wage bill I'm sure that would free up money for a really good player (one who we could trust Keegan to find, unlike Souness, Roeder and Allardyce). Sadly I don't think anybody wants them so we're stuck. you're probably right about a lot of things there - i for one am very, very disappointed that we'll be seeing duff & smith again next season (although i guess we'll see an improvement in both) as it would have cleared some wage bill room yeah, assuming that IS a problem dave, i just don't believe that had we rated turan (as an example) before or even after the euros he wouldn't have come - even if we had to pay 15m for him as long as he's not on owen style wages (how much can a 21 year old be on at a financially crippled turkish club?) there's no issue for me...you have to pay for players sometimes the stuff with spiderman & coloccini lend credence to this - they want to come to us for the "deal of their lives", that doesn't have to be 70k a week in a lot of cases but we're gonna have to be willing to pay the fees where we need to if coloccini is willing to come to us given the clubs he's played for & and his international pedigree what makes you so sure others WON'T? Turan is probably the best example you could have named, so I can't disagree there. We were linked before the Euros (might be total bollocks though, who knows) and I think we could have got him. But a good tournament and your agent suddely decides Newcastle aren't big enough, aiming higher and wanting more cash. Same for the selling club. So if we wanted him we certainly should have got it tied up. Then again, would his club have entertained a deal, hoping he had a storming Euros? Who knows. As regards your final question, given that the transfer window is still open, I'd like to ask you the same. see no reason we couldn't go back for turan, his euros weren't THAT good and there doesn't appear to be a path getting beaten to sign him.... as for your question back to me it doesn't quite work dave, i've just been saying the players would come if we agree fees with clubs and offer them decent/good wages...you're saying our stock has fallen so far they wouldn't come unless we pay them mega wages aren't you? coloccini & spiderman blow this theory out of the water - spain, turkey & italy all allegedly pay a lot less than the EPL these days so i see no foundation for the belief they'd only come for crazy money my problem is we haven't yet managed to combine reaching a fee with a club and an agreement with a player that's of PROVEN quality

You'd not be happy with Arshavin either then I take it? arshavin? i wouldn't judge him like i've not judged spiderman yet because all i've seen of him was the euros - the fact that he'd cost 24m or something doesn't make him good in my opinion arshavin is a player of the moment due to the euro's, i think for the money being talked about you could go and convince werder to sell diego (and the player to come with wages) or any number of other players who have scored goals and made assists consistently at the top level arshavin is a gamble at that price, a huge one Fair enough. I just don't think anyone would be complaining if we got him, for the very reasons I've mentioned (huge fee, current popular name etc). Nobody would give a monkeys about your perfectly valid concerns. The point is I believe we have a major struggle on to buy players who we can attract here, who are not demanding ridiculous fees and wages, will fit into the current and planned team/system without a problem and yet can satisfy the fans' desire to see the best footballers in the world lighting up SJP. It's just not that easy, because we're not the draw we were. If it's right that the club is seeking to get things back on a more even keel then I find that admirable, especially considering we're in this position exactly because we've thrown large money at shite and got nothing in return. Put it this way, if we could bin Smith and Duff from the wage bill I'm sure that would free up money for a really good player (one who we could trust Keegan to find, unlike Souness, Roeder and Allardyce). Sadly I don't think anybody wants them so we're stuck. you're probably right about a lot of things there - i for one am very, very disappointed that we'll be seeing duff & smith again next season (although i guess we'll see an improvement in both) as it would have cleared some wage bill room yeah, assuming that IS a problem dave, i just don't believe that had we rated turan (as an example) before or even after the euros he wouldn't have come - even if we had to pay 15m for him as long as he's not on owen style wages (how much can a 21 year old be on at a financially crippled turkish club?) there's no issue for me...you have to pay for players sometimes the stuff with spiderman & coloccini lend credence to this - they want to come to us for the "deal of their lives", that doesn't have to be 70k a week in a lot of cases but we're gonna have to be willing to pay the fees where we need to if coloccini is willing to come to us given the clubs he's played for & and his international pedigree what makes you so sure others WON'T?

dude, how many times do i have to say i'm by no means saying they're not good enough before you actually grasp it? 15 would indeed class spear as young, you think KK will put a 15-16 year old anywhere near the squad? really? 'names' are names for a reason mate, it's usually because they're very good footballers...i know you think i'm unrealistic but we're a much better prospect than a lot of you make us out to be, we can fucking turn this around quickly and in the right way (i.e. spend money on the right players) but we have to act and spend some money on players & wages your attitude reminds me of a battered wife or something, we've had a few seasons of shit so we have to accept more of it, what's the alternative? fuck that, we don't, but we appear to be happy enough to do so for no other reason (that i can see) than fat freds not in charge anymore... Sounds easy enough, you should let them know. A battered wife. he he, thought you'd like that!

You'd not be happy with Arshavin either then I take it? arshavin? i wouldn't judge him like i've not judged spiderman yet because all i've seen of him was the euros - the fact that he'd cost 24m or something doesn't make him good in my opinion arshavin is a player of the moment due to the euro's, i think for the money being talked about you could go and convince werder to sell diego (and the player to come with wages) or any number of other players who have scored goals and made assists consistently at the top level arshavin is a gamble at that price, a huge one

dude, how many times do i have to say i'm by no means saying they're not good enough before you actually grasp it? 15 would indeed class spear as young, you think KK will put a 15-16 year old anywhere near the squad? really? 'names' are names for a reason mate, it's usually because they're very good footballers...i know you think i'm unrealistic but we're a much better prospect than a lot of you make us out to be, we can fucking turn this around quickly and in the right way (i.e. spend money on the right players) but we have to act and spend some money on players & wages your attitude reminds me of a battered wife or something, we've had a few seasons of shit so we have to accept more of it, what's the alternative? fuck that, we don't, but we appear to be happy enough to do so for no other reason (that i can see) than fat freds not in charge anymore...

don't want to start another fight here but if you'd have metioned spiderman & guthrie as 2 of only 3 "first team quality" players we'd be signing this summer (and us getting someone the quality of coloccini looks highly doubtful too) i would have laughed my arse off as would many others sorry dave, i really am, but it's fuckin sad that we've come to this and if you think for one second they're the calibre of player KK would have been expecting to go for you're only kidding yourself (bit aggressive there almost, not intended to be) I put Guthrie there as someone who is young/a squad player but already has enough experience to be pushing for a first team place. I'm not going to argue on Gutierrez again; unless you can tell me he's shit I'll prefer to hope he's as good as his value and international caps suggest. Not to mention the calibre of the player Keegan says he's got. Don't forget that Keegan reckons that Dani Guiza's golden boot in La Liga was mostly down to Jonas. 30 games (6 as sub) for Mallorca last season; 0 goals and 5 assists.... stats don't tell every story but if KK's right it must be some story that one

don't want to start another fight here but if you'd have metioned spiderman & guthrie as 2 of only 3 "first team quality" players we'd be signing this summer (and us getting someone the quality of coloccini looks highly doubtful too) i would have laughed my arse off as would many others sorry dave, i really am, but it's fuckin sad that we've come to this and if you think for one second they're the calibre of player KK would have been expecting to go for you're only kidding yourself (bit aggressive there almost, not intended to be) I put Guthrie there as someone who is young/a squad player but already has enough experience to be pushing for a first team place. I'm not going to argue on Gutierrez again; unless you can tell me he's shit I'll prefer to hope he's as good as his value and international caps suggest. no no, spiderman might be ace mate, hope he is, i'm just saying that unless he discovers some form that appears to have hitherto gone unnoticed in his career then he's gonna be steady rather than spectacular right? keegan MIGHT turn him into a very good player but that's my point - the people we'd surely have been expecting to sign for the first team wouldn't have been "maybes" would they? everyones a maybe at the end of the day but modric, van der vaart, diego or whoever (not suggesting they're realistic, don't start) are less of a maybe than spiderman i've never said anything negative about either guthrie or spiderman because i don't know enough about them, but then that's my point in a nutshell really (and no that doesn't mean we should only sign people i've heard of) just be honest and answer me dave - was this the calibre of player you expected? oh and i like that spears crept on there as well, isn't he 15?!!

granted it's from wiki but: "In accordance with the Football Association's wishes, Manchester United suspended Cantona for the remaining three months of the 1994–95 season, but the suspension was later increased by the FA to a nine-month ban from world football" don't see what difference the fact it's a live match or not makes given the reasons i've listed above

don't want to start another fight here but if you'd have metioned spiderman & guthrie as 2 of only 3 "first team quality" players we'd be signing this summer (and us getting someone the quality of coloccini looks highly doubtful too) i would have laughed my arse off as would many others sorry dave, i really am, but it's fuckin sad that we've come to this and if you think for one second they're the calibre of player KK would have been expecting to go for you're only kidding yourself (bit aggressive there almost, not intended to be)

the fact is though, he did this in training, under man city's control, not on a actual professional football game remember when shearer knocked out gillespie in dublin, nothing happened with that, this is total double standards from the FA and the club will take this as high as they can go, and they should aye but that shearer/gillespie thing, like a million and one football "rumours" that we know are fact never made it to such a degree of publicity and/or court if shearer had ended up in court and been found guilty, or perhaps even been caught on camera, then i'd expect the FA to have acted there's no "proof" in the shearer/gillespie case - in bartons case the whole man city team testified against him and he plead guilty in a court of law, how could they not act? dabo will pay membership fees to them and as a member could reasonably expect the FA to take action against another member in this scenario there was proof in that case, did you not see gillespie's eye after it, and it was common knowledge that it did happen i don't remember that actually but you're missing the point: incidents happen in training grounds, pitches, dressing rooms etc... every day in the world of professional football, so much so the FA would do nothing but chase down the perpetrators they're like any other establishment organisation, they'll ignore what they can and act when not doing so will make them look bad

agree, if they let this squad settle when it's done then in a season or two they'll maybe be up to something i'll be slightly surprised if they even take 5th next season unless everton/pompey have shockers

the fact is though, he did this in training, under man city's control, not on a actual professional football game remember when shearer knocked out gillespie in dublin, nothing happened with that, this is total double standards from the FA and the club will take this as high as they can go, and they should aye but that shearer/gillespie thing, like a million and one football "rumours" that we know are fact never made it to such a degree of publicity and/or court if shearer had ended up in court and been found guilty, or perhaps even been caught on camera, then i'd expect the FA to have acted there's no "proof" in the shearer/gillespie case - in bartons case the whole man city team testified against him and he plead guilty in a court of law, how could they not act? dabo will pay membership fees to them and as a member could reasonably expect the FA to take action against another member in this scenario

WE SHOULD HAVE HAD HIM SIGNED UP FROM BIRTH MAN, ASHLEY IS A FUCKN JOKE!!!!! just for you dave!