Kaizero

Blatantly not ok editing posts after the fact, man. Now your entire post is liable to have been altered.

Don't really think most people find that the worst thing about Qatar tbh.

Russia is ranked higher than England, was in the semifinals of Euro 2008, has one of the better leagues in the world, and has a deep history of success dating back to the CCCP. If we are limiting ourselves to places that are more of a hotbed than Russia, not many places will be hosting. In what way is Qatar not civilised? I'm not just talking about the national team and their current ranking. Russian football in general ranks nowhere. The premier league, serie a, la liga... all followed globally. Even the Dutch league is on tv if you fancy looking for it. No one outside of Russia gives half a f*** about the Russian league or Russian players. So the World Cup should only be hosted in 4-5 Western European countries along with Argentina and Brasil, when 80-90 percent of the countries in the world love and cherish the game? The Russian league is either the fifth or six (depending on how you rate France) league in Europe and one of the ten most highly competitive championships in the world, fwiw. A hell of a lot better than the Netherlands anyway. You're confusing "rich" with "civilized." I'm not using the "uncivilized" in the colonial Brit sense, just good old fashioned, classic definition. A country with that much discrimination against homosexuals, women, other religions, the non-religious, using impoverished migrant workers as slave labor, isn't a civilized country. You might be ok with it, but I'm not. I doubt you'd sit on the fence if someone you met in a bar was being an abusive, homophobic, dip s***. Why is it any different when it's a culture and not an individual? Call it what it is. Europe was uncivilised 40 years ago? Qatar is changing anyway and will have been altered significantly by 2022 (or at least they will hide their transgressions in a better manner). They enjoy foreign money too much for them to allow things like these to keep hitting the world press. Really? The 1970s was the birth of worker's rights and religious freedom in Europe? Get to fuck. Qatar is living 100 years in the past. They still have flogging for "illicit sex crimes." I don't care how much progress you're assuming/hoping they'll make in the next 9 years. Right now, today, this second, they're a backwards-ass country and it's not awful for me to say so. Still baffled FIFA haven't even made a statement regarding the horrible anti-gay laws in Russia as well. So much for wanting gay athletes to step forward knowing that in just five years time they could go to jail if they choose to represent their country whilst openly being gay at the biggest stage.

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Pretty much my thoughts on the subject. Moyes been consistently performing well for years, might not take them to the top this season but they'll be there or thereabouts, sadly.

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this is a case like the one recently in the seychelles, maybe maldives in which a woman is raped, after reporting it it's judged that fair enough it may have been without her consent but shes had sex out of wedlock or adulterously, therfore she is the guilty one. The above is basically the law in Qatar. Rape is "illegal" but the police never investigates the cases and the girls get put away, hence why there's seemingly no rapes in their crime statistics as they never get reported.

was she found guilty and imprisoned ? Aye, I think so. She was. Then when the media and the world turned their eyes to them she was pardoned.

Russia is ranked higher than England, was in the semifinals of Euro 2008, has one of the better leagues in the world, and has a deep history of success dating back to the CCCP. If we are limiting ourselves to places that are more of a hotbed than Russia, not many places will be hosting. In what way is Qatar not civilised? One of the countries where if a woman gets raped and reports it it's a higher possibility she'll go to jail than the rapist, for one. Is this really true though? Or is this your opinion based on what happened to that norwegian girl? The Norwegian girl happened in Dubai. I checked up the rape laws in Qatar after the fact though. (Though fair enough I only checked it at the time to see if I could use it as another argument against Qatar. ) Also, if the media hadn't made such a fuzz as they did she'd be locked up in Dubai right now, no doubt. Ah fair enough. Was just asking, because sounded unbelievable. But are the laws like that or is there just a lack of victims reporting it? I recall an article by a US news site during the Dubai case listing tons of cases in the gulf area where the blame was put on the victim rather than the aggressor, several in Qatar. Will try to find it.

Russia is ranked higher than England, was in the semifinals of Euro 2008, has one of the better leagues in the world, and has a deep history of success dating back to the CCCP. If we are limiting ourselves to places that are more of a hotbed than Russia, not many places will be hosting. In what way is Qatar not civilised? One of the countries where if a woman gets raped and reports it it's a higher possibility she'll go to jail than the rapist, for one. Is this really true though? Or is this your opinion based on what happened to that norwegian girl? The Norwegian girl happened in Dubai. I checked up the rape laws in Qatar after the fact though. (Though fair enough I only checked it at the time to see if I could use it as another argument against Qatar. ) Also, if the media hadn't made such a fuzz as they did she'd be locked up in Dubai right now, no doubt.

Well, tbf, I can agree that uncivilized is taking it a bit far as it involves so many other aspects of the culture/society failing. I just struggle with accepting countries that have such a large disparacy between genders. I'm also against Russia having the Olympics and the 2018 WC due to their laws regarding homosexuals as well. In my mind everyone should be treated as equal humans, regardless of gender, skin color or sexual preference. Be it a westernized outlook on society or not. In short, not covering everything but my main basic issues with the two nations: On sporting grounds I really have no issue with Russia getting the WC. But given the struggle to have homosexuality accepted within the sport, for FIFA to not even give Russia a public slap on the wrist for that obscene homosexuality law they passed is horrifying and make me lose what little faith I still had left in the organisational part of football. The same goes for Qatar, FIFA trying hard to make gender differences matter less in the sport yet having no issue handing the biggest tournament to a nation with a massive gulf in gender equality. On sporting grounds it's insane a nation like Qatar would get it and better evidence for the massive corruption within FIFA doesn't exist.

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So you're saying you condone rape victims being locked up for being raped because it's the laws of the country it happens in, just that westerners can't accept other cultures?

Russia is ranked higher than England, was in the semifinals of Euro 2008, has one of the better leagues in the world, and has a deep history of success dating back to the CCCP. If we are limiting ourselves to places that are more of a hotbed than Russia, not many places will be hosting. In what way is Qatar not civilised? One of the countries where if a woman gets raped and reports it it's a higher possibility she'll go to jail than the rapist, for one.

Nice one.

Same

Since it's on the second TV 2 channel it may even have English commentary.

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Bit like us in the relegation season, as long as it ends up with the same result. Could very well end up that way. Think about that disjointed dressing room right now, A LOT of new faces, language difficulties, Boss gone, new man coming in with different agenda, turmoil, turmoil, turmoil. This only works if they appoint the wrong man, we went down becasue we appointed JFK. The John Mclane of football, the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time That analogy is shit given how McClane is a badass that keeps coming out on top in any situation thrown at him.

Really wish our players didn't watch any matches midweek so they don't get so fatigued.

That entire posts existance is solely so you could shoehorn in saying you were in Vegas, man.

HE MAY BE A RAPIST, BUT HE'S OUR RAPIST (FOR NOW)

Fuck. Fuck the arab commentator.