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Haaland have put four past Hertha so far.

Only had £25 on though, I'm a changed man

Cashed out at 80 mins when we took off both strikers. Was an alright day.

I've bet far too much on Norway @ 12.2 just because my brain thinks "Austria have no idea what they're facing 'cause this team is assembled in one day consisting of players that've never played together and only had one training session" rather than "Austria will fuck this lot up 'cause that team is assembled in one day consisting of players that've never played together and only had one training session

How are you guys so good these days when you essentially have no big name players? Kasper[/member]

Norwegian national team aren't allowed to travel from Norway to Romania due to a player having tested positive for Covid-19, which breaks our Corona-laws for self-isolation. Will forfeit the game 0-3. The match against Austria on Wednesday might be done with a team full of reserves not originally called up. The A-Team players are now on commercial flights back to their respective teams around Europe, this instead of on a private flight to Romania - because they can infect so many more people on that private jet. Fucks our chances of promotion to the A-Division, fucks our extra qualifying chance for the 2022 WC, likely placing us in the C-Division, likely give us a harder WC qualifying draw due to lower seeding. It's the most idiotic bullshit I've heard from our government, clearly looking for a high profile example to be made for the general population rather than following the logic of the other 54 countries in Nations League.

Dumb fuckers betting on Trump alters the odds so the house always wins.

Do you know what time of day GMT would work best for you? Would be great to get you involved. I'm on about some day during the week, by the by. I've done half a dozen of these btw and they generally take bang on an hour. Normally any time prior to 8pm GMT, which has tended to be the time these usually start That said, I'll make it work somehow. Really want to do this.

Depends what time but want to be in.

Win percentage wise, Chris Hughton is the all-time best NUFC manager.

If you don't count Shearer's 8 games and 12.5% win percentage, Carver is the worst with a 15% win percentage (not counting the caretakers with only one game).

We would have won this game if we only counted legal goals. Stop the goals. Recount.

Odin up to his old tricks

Before we continue, I'd love to know if you honestly can't understand why Man Utd fans want OGS and support him and why some would rather have him than Poch at this stage. Because, if that is inconceivable after all this, there's not really a purpose to continuing a discussion. It's obvious, and as an NUFC fan it should be even more obvious given how we worship our legends. That said, every managerial appointment is different. AVB to Chelsea is in fact very comparable to OGS to Man Utd in my opinion, the major difference being how young AVB was at the time - which was unprecedented and gives him extra stature, same goes for Nagelsmann these days. What he's doing is great, but him being 33 makes it ten times more impressive. I'd actually turn your question around and ask why you can't see that OGS to Man Utd is very comparable to many big club managerial appointments, I've so far laid out my case in great detail so please do tell your opinion. As said, I have no issues changing my opinion if given a good reason for why. Again, I'm not arguing Man Utd couldn't do better than OGS or that they shouldn't have aimed "higher". My argument is that them appointing OGS is extremely understandable, somewhat expected, and OGS being supported by Man Utd fans is not at all surprising. Also that the critique being given OGS (bar his horrid league start this season) is unwarranted and rooted in (on here for instance) an inherent dislike of the man. The guy has the third highest win ratio for Man Utd in their history, a higher expectation is essentially expecting OGS to achieve a higher win ratio than Ferguson. If he keeps up the current league form, he'll get sacked no matter what his win ratio is, of course. If Man City is 9th by mid-season then I'd expect Pep to get fired as well, or at least mutually agree to end his contract at the end of the season due to the respect owed him for what he's done there.

I'm confused. So R O'D is a QC, as is N de M. Is it therefore by pure chance that Ashley managed to get the best sports QC in the industry to represent him ? My head hurts. Ashley wanted him and as he was available he couldn't legally have turrned him down, he didn't get drawn out of a hat.

No. The Man U job is one of the top 3-5 in football. David Moyes shouldn’t have gotten it, he wasn’t qualified. The same goes for Solskjaer. Shearer took over from Joe Kinnear And we knew that was the road we were heading down again. Of course we wanted Shearer to stay. Not comparable. Absolutely comparable. As much as it disgusts me to say it, Joe Kinnear was on paper much more qualified than Alan Shearer to manage Newcastle United if you look at their managerial history and not their attachment to any one club. Shearer wasn't even a manager at the time, what would your opinion be if Gary Lineker was the one appointed and not Shearer? Would you have wanted Lineker to get the job, or stay? Jaime Redknapp? Pochettino is essentially just as qualified on paper for the Man Utd job as Moyes was. It's a bit of a double standard if you say Moyes shouldn't have gotten the job, yet you think Pochettino should get it when you look at their managerial history up until the point Moyes took over Man Utd, or Pochettino now if he took over tomorrow. Neither have major honors, and their biggest achievements have been building a club that didn't compete much into a team that could compete. The Barcelona job is perhaps the biggest job in football, that went to a reserve team manager. In the end, the manager needs to be a proper fit for a club. Look, if you think Mourinho to OGS and Kinnear to Shearer is a good comparison, there’s nothing more I can say really. It’s just ridiculous. I’d take Lineker or Redknapp over Kinnear, yes. I’d take pretty much anybody over him. How is this relevant? I haven’t mentioned Pochettino. You're (I assume) intentionally misinterpreting my comparisons. Zidane following Benitez then? Why is that different to OGS following Mourinho? We as NUFC fans inherently dislike OGS due to his horrid behavior against us. We don't have that dislike for Zidane, for instance. It's not over Kinnear, it's how you'd react if they were appointed following Kinnear (and not Shearer). You'd naturally would have wanted us to appoint a manager with experience, not a pundit. Yet, due to us loving Shearer, we welcomed him as a savior, when he did not even have any coaching badges and supported him - yet say OGS shouldn't be at Man Utd when he's more qualified for the Man Utd job than Shearer was for the NUFC job. We'd be absolutely livid if they'd appointed Lineker or Jaime Redknapp, yet om paper they're just as qualified as Shearer with their main jobs since they retired being pundits. I brought up Pochettino to make a new point and comparison to back my original point in our discussion.

It does not, please do actually counter my points rather than state opinion as fact. I am open to changing my mind. At this point there's been no actual counter-arguments. Fine I'll counter it. Jobs at clubs like Manchester United are usually reserved for elite pedigree managers, thats how big clubs stay big, they appoint the best. You're talking about a club that has expectations to win the PL, season in, season out. Yes they havent been near it for a while but thats not the point. Clubs going into relegtaion (Us) don't appoint elite managers, as evidenced by JFK, so having Shearer come in is not really a big stretch or out of the norm. So it is pretty different in almost every way you look at it. If say Fulham had appointed OGS it wouldn't seem weird at all. Explain appointments such as Arsene Wenger (Arsenal), Pep Guardiola (Barcelona), Tito Villanueva (Barcelona), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Roberto di Matteo (Chelsea), Zinedine Zidane (Real Madrid), Bernd Schuster (Real Madrid), Juande Ramos (Real Madrid), David Moyes (Manchester United), Andre Villas-Boas (Chelsea), Antonio Conte (Juventus)... I can go on, what makes OGS to Man Utd different? Some of these have less honors and experience to their name than OGS did? Why didn't Barca or Real fans throw their toys out of the pram when they appointed Pep or Zidane since top clubs only appoint already established top managers and attachment to club or experience in their reserves or youth levels have nothing to say? Obviously it would be extremely weird if Man City appointed Pep directly from Barcas B-Team before he got the Barca job, he has no attachment to the club and no honors as a manager that should equate him being given that job. When he was given the Barca job, it was not weird, due to his actual attachment to the club. Same goes for Zidane coming in from the Castilla job. Would it be out of the norm if we at the time we appointed Shearer, appointed Lineker instead? Attachment to the club is my argument, of course we should understand why Man Utd want OGS as their manager.

It does not, please do actually counter my points rather than state opinion as fact. I am open to changing my mind. At this point there's been no actual counter-arguments.

He didn't walk into it, he played for the club long enough to get a testimonial and did well with their reserves in his first managerial role. He's got honors to his name in a league where the team he managed never had won before and it's been notoriously hard to topple a thirty year winning juggernaut and got a team into Europe that had no right to be there, and won the group stage ahead of Ajax, Celtic and Fenerbache. He knows the club, culture and players and the owners clearly wanted to stop a rot. He had tons more rights to that job than Shearer ever has to the manager job with us, and we're the historically eight biggest club in England. Shearer had no coaching badges and was appointed to save us from relegation. Why is it understandable and defendable for us to appoint Shearer, but not for Man Utd to appoint OGS when their club and club culture had been rotting from the inside out after the departure of Ferguson? Keegan and SBR have been our best and most appreciated managers, I believe a lot stems from them actually knowing NUFC and the club and fan culture. As an NUFC fan that lived through SBR and Keegan II, I can't in no way say I don't understand why Man Utd fans support OGS and his appointment. I long for a manager that lives and breathes NUFC. I'm not saying I believe he should have gotten the job over perhaps more qualified managers, but someone saying it's not understandable why he got it or why Man Utd supporters back him is hard for me to grasp.

No. The Man U job is one of the top 3-5 in football. David Moyes shouldn’t have gotten it, he wasn’t qualified. The same goes for Solskjaer. Shearer took over from Joe Kinnear And we knew that was the road we were heading down again. Of course we wanted Shearer to stay. Not comparable. Absolutely comparable. As much as it disgusts me to say it, Joe Kinnear was on paper much more qualified than Alan Shearer to manage Newcastle United if you look at their managerial history and not their attachment to any one club. Shearer wasn't even a manager at the time, what would your opinion be if Gary Lineker was the one appointed and not Shearer? Would you have wanted Lineker to get the job, or stay? Jaime Redknapp? Pochettino is essentially just as qualified on paper for the Man Utd job as Moyes was. It's a bit of a double standard if you say Moyes shouldn't have gotten the job, yet you think Pochettino should get it when you look at their managerial history up until the point Moyes took over Man Utd, or Pochettino now if he took over tomorrow. Neither have major honors, and their biggest achievements have been building a club that didn't compete much into a team that could compete. The Barcelona job is perhaps the biggest job in football, that went to a reserve team manager. In the end, the manager needs to be a proper fit for a club. Those two things arent comparable at all lol, we were about to go into the championship? Yes? So you wouldn't have wanted us to have appointed an experienced manager to save us at the time rather than a pundit without any coaching badges? The comparison was anyway, as mentioned, with regards to OGS not deserving a second chance at a top job because he failed at Cardiff, which I challenged joeyt on with regards to SBR failing at Fulham - did he deserve a second chance? The Shearer comparison was NUFC fans wanting Shearer to stay on, yet not understanding why Man Utd fans would want OGS to stay on. OGS has, again, the third highest win ratio in Man Utd managerial history and has done well a steadying the ship. He was sentenced to fail before his first match and the appointment ridiculed by anyone not associated with Man Utd, that tells me the opinion is emotionally based. Him delivering results doesn't silence critics either, which means objective facts are being put aside due to a pre-existing opinion and narrative about OGS that won't change. He's doing objectively bad in the league now, but he's four points behind Man City. Why isn't Pep being shouted at due to his horrible league start?

No. The Man U job is one of the top 3-5 in football. David Moyes shouldn’t have gotten it, he wasn’t qualified. The same goes for Solskjaer. Shearer took over from Joe Kinnear And we knew that was the road we were heading down again. Of course we wanted Shearer to stay. Not comparable. Absolutely comparable. Joe Kinnear was on paper much more qualified than Alan Shearer to manage Newcastle United if you look at their managerial history and not attachment to any one club. You have to be fucking joking, seriously. See edit:

No. The Man U job is one of the top 3-5 in football. David Moyes shouldn’t have gotten it, he wasn’t qualified. The same goes for Solskjaer. Shearer took over from Joe Kinnear And we knew that was the road we were heading down again. Of course we wanted Shearer to stay. Not comparable. Absolutely comparable. As much as it disgusts me to say it, Joe Kinnear was on paper much more qualified than Alan Shearer to manage Newcastle United if you look at their managerial history and not their attachment to any one club. Shearer wasn't even a manager at the time, what would your opinion be if Gary Lineker was the one appointed and not Shearer? Would you have wanted Lineker to get the job, or stay? Jaime Redknapp? Pochettino is essentially just as qualified on paper for the Man Utd job as Moyes was. It's a bit of a double standard if you say Moyes shouldn't have gotten the job, yet you think Pochettino should get it when you look at their managerial history up until the point Moyes took over Man Utd, or Pochettino now if he took over tomorrow. Neither have major honors, and their biggest achievements have been building a club that didn't compete much into a team that could compete. The Barcelona job is perhaps the biggest job in football, that went to a reserve team manager. In the end, the manager needs to be a proper fit for a club.

Third highest win rate in Man Utd managerial history = not very good Changing the toxic nature at Man Utd (as told by fans and players) = not very good Having toppled an essentially changed the nature of a one-team league with much lesser budgets = no experience and no playing style He's started badly in the league this season, so none of the above matters. Not sayin he hasn't started badly in the league this season, he has, but he still has the third highest win ratio of any Man Utd manager in their history and has had them on some of their best winning streaks in their history. He clearly works much on his tactics and aren't working on "throwing eleven players on the pitch hoping their quality make the team win". He's failed at tactics many times, but he's doing different things to counter the opponents. Over the course of one week he played three different tactics and won three matches, two against opponents perceived to be better than them at this stage in time. The SBR comparison was due to joeyt saying he shouldn't get a shot at Man Utd because he failed at Cardiff. That equivalence means SBR shouldn't have gotten another chance at a club because he failed at Fulham. Other arguments are saying he shouldn't have been given the job, and then using examples of managers that should be better fits for Man Utd when said examples started their own careers with less top level managerial experience than OGS. It's just dumb arguments when you look at objective facts, just look at joeyts rebuttal of my arguments by jumping on a stupid thing Froggy said rather than the actual arguments. Hence why I believe they're emotional opinions. I'm not saying they 100% are, but I legit dislike OGS, I support Rosenborg in Norway and I would love for OGS to fail. But as I said, I dislike stupid arguments more than any one person. Discussing OGS at Man Utd with anyone that doesn't follow Man Utd is like discussing the downsides of Donald Trump with someone that only watches Fox News, they've made up their mind and no objective fact can alter that even when it counters their own arguments. I'm fully open to being proven wrong, in fact, I'd welcome it. It would be a much better feeling looking at OGS and seeing failure than what I am currently seeing. I don't even need much convincing, as I've tried myself already.

No indeed, but solicitors generally need barristers when they're dealing with Crown/County courts and higher because they usually don't have rights of audience with judges Cool. Still don’t get why barristers HAVE to take someone on, but there you go. Because everyone is entitled to a fair trial.

And went on to do good things again at Molde, and let's not forget he started his managerial career with a great spell as Man Utd Reserves coach - where key players such as underperforming Pogba loved playing for him. Sir Bobby was sacked from Fulham with a 16.67% win rate. Where's the rule saying you can't get another chance because you failed one time during a completely different set of circumstances? OGS has the third highest win percentage in Man Utd history, nothing about him failing miserably at Cardiff changes that fact. The arguments against him are idiotic and fueled by dislike/emotion rather than objective stats and facts, which I dislike more than I dislike OGS.