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Thanks - stupid of me, how could anyone not see that from what he posted? I'm confused. Sorry. So was I.

Unsurprising given that 'asset boost'(whatever the hell that means) occurred the previous year........ I'm comparing them to the year which had them. Which means our finances actually improved significantly without that one off asset boost. You are talking rubbish as those figures for the previous year do not include player sales In our official accounts they do. That has nothing to do with your claim that the figures in the deloite list dont include the Carroll sale ffs What I'm saying is our turnover has passed what we made the previous year despite the Carroll sale. Which shows how much more the club made due to it's successful season. I'll admit the 1st post was misleading though. The Carrol sale has absolutely nothing to do with it, it would never be included in club turnover. You know much more about football finance than me obviously, but why would income from player sales be excluded from the revenue reported for that period? All clubs exclude revenue from player sales in their turnover figures. It gets shown in the annual accounts under the category of "profit or loss on disposal of player registrations". So in 2011 the NUFC accounts showed a profit in this category of about £37 million most of which is due to Carroll. The reason it is treated this way is so that when you are comparing a club's revenue year on year it is free of distorting factors such as the one off sale of a player and you can genuinely compare how the club has grown (or shrunk) in its day to day business activities, broadly these are analysed as matchday, media and commercial. There is also an accounting reason for this treatment (to do with players being treated as fixed assets) but I won't go into that!

Thanks - stupid of me, how could anyone not see that from what he posted?

Unsurprising given that 'asset boost'(whatever the hell that means) occurred the previous year........ I'm comparing them to the year which had them. Which means our finances actually improved significantly without that one off asset boost. You are talking rubbish as those figures for the previous year do not include player sales In our official accounts they do. That has nothing to do with your claim that the figures in the deloite list dont include the Carroll sale ffs What I'm saying is our turnover has passed what we made the previous year despite the Carroll sale. Which shows how much more the club made due to it's successful season. I'll admit the 1st post was misleading though. The Carrol sale has absolutely nothing to do with it, it would never be included in club turnover.

Unsurprising given that 'asset boost'(whatever the hell that means) occurred the previous year........ I'm comparing them to the year which had them. Which means our finances actually improved significantly without that one off asset boost. You are talking rubbish as those figures for the previous year do not include player sales In our official accounts they do. Not so. Any money received from player sales is not included in annual revenues in the accounts, and that applies to any football club.

Agree he is a great professional who will always do his best. I may burn for saying this but I'm not 100% convinced he's a great captain. He's got most of the attributes - automatic choice, popular, great player, experience etc. I am not sure he's been a great leader on the pitch. We did well last season and got results from having momentum but this season the momentum is not there and we have needed some leadership on the pitch and its not been there imo. Would always want him in any side we put out though.

And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. But the seller has to put the product up for sale in the first place. So it's initially the seller's call. I'm pretty sure that was the case with Hall and Shepherd who held all the cards at one point. But my post said that the ultimate call on the value is with the buyer, not the initial call on the decision to sell. The value is only set in stone when the buyer agrees a price. Anyway going back to Hall and Shepherd, there had been potential interested parties but they had not wanted to pursue it once they looked at the true state of the finances. The situation was not good for Shepherd and Hall. I'm not sure why you think they held all the cards? I'm not sure this debate is worth this much space tbh. I happen to think that Ashley didn't do much work on the club's financial situation, and decided to pay £140 million because he thought it was a decent price and wanted to buy it, simple as.

And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision. Like the Andy Carroll deal. Exactly. It was Liverpool's decision, for their own reasons, to offer us £35million.

And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it. and the person who decides to sell it. Well....if no one wants to pay what the seller is asking it simply won't get sold, so ultimately if it does get sold it is because the buyer agreed a price. So it is the buyers call. I have no idea what Ashley could have bought the club for if he wanted to string it out but he agreed to pay £140 million - his decision.

And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it. Shepherd valued the club probably 1.5x more than what is worth. Absolutely mental. When anything ends up being sold the ultimate call on the value has to be with the person who decides to buy it.

And yet has put more of his own money into it than anyone else in the history of the club. In fact he's probably the only person who has ever put any money into the club's coffers, apart from the few bob that we long suffering souls spend on them. He's a strange f***er. Due Diligence can do that to a bloke eh Ahh yes. The single most important thing when buying a business and the fat c*** didn't bother with it. SJH took him to the cleaners. The Hall and Shepherd clans certainly did very well out of the sale, but before Ashley came along the potential buyers who did do due diligence ran a mile. So maybe it's just as well for us (as well as the Halls and Shepherds) that Ashley didn't bother to have a proper look before he bought. There's no argument that he's f*cked up along the way but at least when he has had to put his hand in his pocket to pay for his f*ck ups he could afford it.

It's Pardspeak.

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I find that very hard to believe Don't know if that amount is correct or not but I could believe he is on a low basic salary. The Ashley pay model in Sports Direct is low basic pay but plenty of incentive based bonuses. I would think AP got a good wedge for last season's effort.

No chance. All he has to do is stay up to guarantee himself at least another year. And arguably rightly so. Ignoring the actual football we play (the last thing I'd imagine Ashley cares about) we've had one average half a season, one great season and one s**** season. As long as we don't go down, he deserves the right to see if the 5th was a complete fluke or if there's really something decent in there worth building on. Agree with that Dave. Although I have to say I don't think some of AP's recent media comments will have been well received by Ashley and his posse, it is apparent (from his running of SD) that Ashley does give people he trusts a better than fair chance. But if it gets to the point when he has lost faith in them he doesn't bat an eyelid before getting rid.

We would end up with a far weaker squad than last time and few if any of those left have the mentality of Nolan and co. Mind you the wage bill would plummet!! If we went down, unless we recruited well, I doubt we would come straight back up. I know that , you know that. But does Ashley ? I wouldn't anything past him bar the common sense approach. He doesnt give a f*** anyway man. You really think that? Very few Premiership supporters think their owners have much of a clue. Most owners do not do what the supporters want. Even amongst the most wealthy and successful clubs that is the case. Ashley has many millions invested here and imho he does give a huge f*ck about it. But it is going to be done his way, we will get some good things from that - and some bad. Right now there's no doubt which of the two ends of the range we are at.

Is there anything wrongful about lining up a replacement? I'm no legal eagle but there's something wrongful about this. By the sounds of things he was sacked weeks ago, not taking his performance into consideration. He will have received a pay off, what exactly would he be taking legal action for, shits and giggles? More money? Just seems a bit dodgy really. If I was randomly sacked from my job I'd want to know why and if there was no reason then I'd be taking my company to court, especially if one hour later a bloke walked through the door, sat on my desk and then said he had been lined up to take my job for weeks. He had a contract and if Southampton pay off in full whatever is due under that contract he has no case. Ah wey, like I said I'm not legally screwed on. I hope they pay through relegation then. I'll vote for that.

Is there anything wrongful about lining up a replacement? I'm no legal eagle but there's something wrongful about this. By the sounds of things he was sacked weeks ago, not taking his performance into consideration. He will have received a pay off, what exactly would he be taking legal action for, shits and giggles? More money? Just seems a bit dodgy really. If I was randomly sacked from my job I'd want to know why and if there was no reason then I'd be taking my company to court, especially if one hour later a bloke walked through the door, sat on my desk and then said he had been lined up to take my job for weeks. He had a contract and if Southampton pay off in full whatever is due under that contract he has no case.

We are only going to spend what we bring in unless there is a massive change of heart (something Pardew has clearly been pressing for). Still p*ssed off that the fallout from the Keegan debarcle saw Ashley saying f*** it, the plan was to throw an extra £20 million of my own money a year but I'm bollocked if I'm going to do it now. I'm fairly sympathetic to the reasons for him falling out of love for the project, but christ, think of the difference it would have made to us. Although he has been here 5 full years and, since buying the club, has put in an additional £140 million so that's well over £20 million a year on average....is one way of looking at it. And probably is the way he looks at it.

It's pretty obvious that just won't happen.

Two of the more obvious Premiership strikers who seem to be on the market are Bent and Danny Graham so both are likely to get touted in rumours. I don't know what Villa are paying Bent but suspect it might be more than we would so that could kill that one off fairly sharpish? I like Danny Graham and would be happy to have him among our options, he's from Gateshead so maybe a Newcastle shirt might mean something other than a job to him.

Yeah I don't feel too much for Demba now. He certainly made a huge contribution but I don't think the club meant too much to him really, just a stepping stone. His time with us did help his career considerably but rightly or wrongly I don't get the impression he is too bothered about us. Tbf that attitude is probably no different to a load of players plying their trade in the Premiership these days.

From his wiki page: "Liddle was born in Abbey Wood, south London, the son of a train driver. From the age of eight, he was brought up in Nunthorpe, a suburb of Middlesbrough, in north east England."

Any reason as to why you're not overly fussed with this? Don't get him wrong. He's fussed an that, just not overly fussed. He would give one s***. But not two. He likes the idea of getting a striker in and stuff. But we could have done without one. No biggie. He's cool like the seed at the centre of a cucumber.

Liddle is a Boro and Milwall fan who does seem to have an agenda. Before a ball was kicked last season he was predicting that we would be relegated. Even as late as January he was saying we would finish in the bottom half of the table. In his article today he says Remy will sign for Arsenal rather than us. Hmmm...