Robster

I think it's just because nothing has come from the PL directly. I know that we saw that letter to Amnesty International but we haven't heard them say "Contracts are in place, we are now starting our checks".

It seems to all boil down to how reliable his sources are. It doesn't really bare thinking about about what happened 2 1/2 years ago. His source is almost certainly Stavely or someone very close to her, considering he’s the one journalist who interviewed her. Yep, it was last time also though. She led him to believe she was going to buy us, then the next thing was Ashley's "timewaster" statement. I hope its a happier ending this time. His interview with Stavely was after it had already fallen apart last time. She was Caulkins "source" throughout that whole affair, just as she is now. Ok. I’m not entirely sure of the point you’re attempting to make? My point, or my worry, is that Staveley is saying Ashley has no way of scuppering this deal now. Ashley's side have planted something via Luke Edwards that by the end of this week "something could happen" if this isn't complete. Now we hear it won't be complete this week. I hope Staveley is correct in that it is a "done deal", but we've been here so many times in the past (including once with Staveley herself), only for it to unravel. I have some doubts that it's as simple as she is leading us to believe. I've often felt that you've shared my level of cynicism Sean, but even I believe that now, there is literally nothing that Ashley can do (without huge expense, and possible litigation, to himself so I don't think that'll happen). It's 100% a PL thing now. It might all still fall apart of course but it won't have anything to do with Ashley. I'll admit it's probably nerves more than anything, but I can't be fully convinced unless Staveley had actually shown Caulkin the contract, which I don't believe she has. I'll be unbelieving till the end I think sadly I have those same nerves. I think most of us have. Thinking about this whole thing is taking up so much of my waking day, it's bonkers It'd all do us good if the PL could just acknowledge that they have the test in progress. It's not going to happen unfortunately so we just have to try and hold our nerve.

It seems to all boil down to how reliable his sources are. It doesn't really bare thinking about about what happened 2 1/2 years ago. His source is almost certainly Stavely or someone very close to her, considering he’s the one journalist who interviewed her. Yep, it was last time also though. She led him to believe she was going to buy us, then the next thing was Ashley's "timewaster" statement. I hope its a happier ending this time. His interview with Stavely was after it had already fallen apart last time. She was Caulkins "source" throughout that whole affair, just as she is now. Ok. I’m not entirely sure of the point you’re attempting to make? My point, or my worry, is that Staveley is saying Ashley has no way of scuppering this deal now. Ashley's side have planted something via Luke Edwards that by the end of this week "something could happen" if this isn't complete. Now we hear it won't be complete this week. I hope Staveley is correct in that it is a "done deal", but we've been here so many times in the past (including once with Staveley herself), only for it to unravel. I have some doubts that it's as simple as she is leading us to believe. I've often felt that you've shared my level of cynicism Sean, but even I believe that now, there is literally nothing that Ashley can do (without huge expense, and possible litigation, to himself so I don't think that'll happen). It's 100% a PL thing now. It might all still fall apart of course but it won't have anything to do with Ashley.

I'm not sure that something in The Sun is a reason to be positive and optimistic

Yeah Pretty sure they have different departments fully staffed and qualified in their respective roles. It's the COVID-19/furlough element though surely? That has to have an effect down the line with the time that things get turned around. I have no clue if the PL/FA/PFA/lawyers are all fully staffed but there has to be an impact somewhere down the line.

Is it April 1st

This one won't just die out. It'll either pass through or there will be a very public rejection. Either way, this one doesn't end quietly.

You should be neither worried nor excited. Didnt think so Cheers dor ignoring the spelling bty :lol: No bother.

You should be neither worried nor excited.

Looking forward to tomorrow already

Must be on commission.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually. Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that. We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful". 35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand. The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed. How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"? Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package. Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit. I already gave you my reasoning for that, but you don't want to hear reason, you just want to stick to your points total. You don't want to hear it, fine, but then I don't need to answer loaded questions. It's a nothing answer and you know it. It's shows your clear bias. No it doesn't. I already told you I think quite a few managers from the lower divisions could have followed Rafa into this job and done as well or better. Do you agree? Yes or no. It's a simple question samp. Yeah I think different managers from lower divisions could've done as well or better. But that doesn't change the fact that Bruce has done an okay job. See it's not hard to answer a simple question Tron I am not sure why you won't accept that while you think our current position is down to Bruce, many people don't. In several posts, I've said Rafa's drilling of the squad, and defensive process has been key. My main point is that Bruce has kept up the team spirit. There's been no big fallouts, no big issues with the squad, no ego problems. That's what's he's done well. Tactically we're shite going forward, but on the whole we aren't easy to beat at home, and the players haven't downed tools. Which leads me to my point that overall he's done okay. It's all about how we view it and we clearly look at things differently. In my opinion, he's come in and basically just let them do what they want and removed the strict discipline that Rafa instilled. Of course in the first instance, players are going to love that. Who wouldn't want to go to work and just have a laugh and lark about every day. I'm not sure that goes down as good management personally and ultimately, the downside is that the team have no cohesion on the pitch. Results have gone the clubs way to date but as you say, it's completely unsustainable once that good fortune goes against you.

I answered this question. You didn't like the answer though despite the fact that I added more than the pure fact that just hate him. Did you think that Pardew 'did OK' to get us to 5th or do you put that down to things just going our way that season ? I think Pardew did fairly well that season. But he's a shit manager and it wasn't sustainable. You can think a manager has done okay or fairly well for a season, but also think they aren't a good manager. I absolutely agree that you can think that. It just happens that in this case, I don't think that applies to Steve Bruce. That's my opinion though and we just disagree.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. Such an asinine and disingenuous question, if he had more points then we would be playing better football and he would get the credit he would deserve. As it stands the points on the table are contrary to the displays on the pitch, ergo he deserves no credit. To the fact he's more than likely kept us up, he's played his part in facilitating the takeover by doing the minimum expected of him, does that deserve credit? Not really, in any normal club, with the financial outlay supposedly afforded to him, he's massively underperformed and he would be gone. Hell, in any normal club, he wouldn't have got the position to start with. I don't hate Bruce, I hate the idiots that gave him the job, but he hasn't affected anything that would deserve him credit. Massively underperformed? 13th in the league. 35 points. That's massively underperformed? :lol: Honestly man this fucking board. All I've said is he's done an okay job this season. Not a good job. Not a great job. AN OKAY JOB. Oh well if you are up for a sensible debate, here's my twopenneth. I actually think Bruce has been disastrous. You are being misled by the total points malarkey. His tactical ability is zero, in his own words "I don't do tactics". I don't wish to cover old ground as it's been covered numerous times on here but I can honestly say in my opinion his football team have been extremely lucky. I have seen possibly three ok performances, however the West Ham away game was just mental. So no, he has not done an ok job. Pretty shit actually. Disastrous is when McLaren got sacked. 24 points from 29 games. That is disastrous. We are 11 points better off than that. We're 14 points ahead of Norwich. We're comfortably ahead of the relegation zone. We've had 9 clean sheets this season. We've beaten Spurs, Man Utd, Chelsea, drew with City. The definition of disastrous is: "highly unsuccessful". 35 points, and quarter finals of the FA Cup is not HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL. Not difficult to understand. The difficulty in understanding is apportioning credit to Bruce, what has he actually done? We've been horrific almost every game, no cohesion, no tactics, backs against the wall. Points/results look decent on paper, no one is discounting that, the means in which they were attained are unsustainable and either lucky or down to the individual brilliance of some of our players at any given time. We are where we are by chance rather than design. The design is the managers job and to that he has failed. How many points, did he need to get, for you to think he's not "failed"? Again, if we had more points we would have to be playing some decent football, it's all relative. If we had less points but we were playing good football he would get credit, it's not about the points, it's the whole package. Just like Robster, and Tron, you won't give me a points figure because with all due respect, you're talking shit. I already gave you my reasoning for that, but you don't want to hear reason, you just want to stick to your points total. You don't want to hear it, fine, but then I don't need to answer loaded questions. It's a nothing answer and you know it. It's shows your clear bias. No it doesn't. I already told you I think quite a few managers from the lower divisions could have followed Rafa into this job and done as well or better. Do you agree? Yes or no. It's a simple question samp. Yeah I think different managers from lower divisions could've done as well or better. But that doesn't change the fact that Bruce has done an okay job. See it's not hard to answer a simple question Tron I am not sure why you won't accept that while you think our current position is down to Bruce, many people don't.

I answered this question. You didn't like the answer though despite the fact that I added more than the pure fact that just hate him. Did you think that Pardew 'did OK' to get us to 5th or do you put that down to things just going our way that season ?

Playing the worst football in years, and having attacking statistics that make Derby's 11points team look positively brilliant should be enough to convince anyone it's been a bad job. Football isn't based on statistics mind, it's based on results. The results were okay overall. For looking forward indeed they are not. For looking back they are indicative of a teams actual performance and normally suggest of what the results should have been. Going by ours Bruce is either a total genius, or just lucky. Nobody is saying Bruce can take us forward. He'll been gone for next season, and that is correct decision with the takeover. The fact that poster after poster, can't admit, he's done on okay job this season is pretty embarrassing really. I've said before good team spirit is vital. We've had good team spirit this season. We've picked up results just when we needed them That is very important but nobody is discussing that. It's just "I hate Bruce, fat cunt, blah blah blah". Here's just one perfectly decent response to why one person won't say he's doing ok. I am not sure why you are ignoring these posts.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. How can you talk about logic when you are talking about Steve Bruce winning the league ? As Newcastle fans, we have the perfect example in Alan Pardew. He managed once to get us to 5th thanks to some good fortune and a fantastic group of players. However he's clearly a terrible manager as the rest of his managerial record would prove. I can only say again that I can't say that he's done an okay job because I don't believe that our current position is by his design. You've said no matter how points Bruce got, you would never say he's done an okay job. It's a fucking crazy statement. Makes absolutely zero sense. It's not crazy as I fucking hate him and will never accept him. I'm also fully confident that he'll never get the team to a place (like Pardew did) where, on paper, it looks like he's done well. I'd say that the team have done OK but not Bruce. The teams position is in spite of Bruce, not because of him. You hate him and it's clouding your judgement. That's a fact. It's not because i'm looking at more than just the league table. I hear the same opinion as yours from a highly annoying Man Utd fan at work. Robster, all I said was he's done an okay job this season. That's all. You've said you hate him and you will never accept him. You denied he's done an okay job. These are facts. I'm right. You're wrong. The fact is that the team has managed to do OK but it's probably best to stop going in circles or else we might miss the club being sold which should be happening any minute I hear...

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. How can you talk about logic when you are talking about Steve Bruce winning the league ? As Newcastle fans, we have the perfect example in Alan Pardew. He managed once to get us to 5th thanks to some good fortune and a fantastic group of players. However he's clearly a terrible manager as the rest of his managerial record would prove. I can only say again that I can't say that he's done an okay job because I don't believe that our current position is by his design. You've said no matter how points Bruce got, you would never say he's done an okay job. It's a fucking crazy statement. Makes absolutely zero sense. It's not crazy as I fucking hate him and will never accept him. I'm also fully confident that he'll never get the team to a place (like Pardew did) where, on paper, it looks like he's done well. I'd say that the team have done OK but not Bruce. The teams position is in spite of Bruce, not because of him. You hate him and it's clouding your judgement. That's a fact. It's not because i'm looking at more than just the league table. I hear the same opinion as yours from a highly annoying Man Utd fan at work. Points on board = doing a decent job.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. How can you talk about logic when you are talking about Steve Bruce winning the league ? As Newcastle fans, we have the perfect example in Alan Pardew. He managed once to get us to 5th thanks to some good fortune and a fantastic group of players. However he's clearly a terrible manager as the rest of his managerial record would prove. I can only say again that I can't say that he's done an okay job because I don't believe that our current position is by his design. You've said no matter how points Bruce got, you would never say he's done an okay job. It's a fucking crazy statement. Makes absolutely zero sense. It's not crazy as I fucking hate him and will never accept him. I'm also fully confident that he'll never get the team to a place (like Pardew did) where, on paper, it looks like he's done well. I'd say that the team have done OK but not Bruce. The teams position is in spite of Bruce, not because of him.

Where'd you read that? I'd be amazed if that kind of information is public knowledge as no one has any clue (as fas as I am aware) as to where things are in the PL process.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league You've literally said no matter, no matter how points Bruce got, you'd never say he's done an OKAY job. It's an insane comment. Think about it logically FFS. How can you talk about logic when you are talking about Steve Bruce winning the league ? As Newcastle fans, we have the perfect example in Alan Pardew. He managed once to get us to 5th thanks to some good fortune and a fantastic group of players. However he's clearly a terrible manager as the rest of his managerial record would prove. I can only say again that I can't say that he's done an okay job because I don't believe that our current position is by his design.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not. There's no number :lol: We win the league. "Fuck that fat cunt, he deserves no credit for winning the league. He's fucking shite." What the fuck are you about? Win the league

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job. How many points did we need on the board, for you to say he's done an okay job? It's not a difficult question to answer. There is no number. I'll be big enough to say that i'll never accept what he does because I think that everything we get is in spite of him and not because of him. If you are prepared to give him credit for the number of points on the board then that's fair enough. Personally, I'm not.

What's the point, that's Bruce done okay then in your opinion? 45 points after 29 games? 50 points? 60 points? Rafa sorted out the defence for sure, but things can go wrong. Team spirit can go shit. Bruce tried something different early on, realised it was the wrong decision and went back to what Rafa had drilled into the team. That was the right decision no? Bruce has done fuck all attacking wise, there's no attacking plan. But team spirit is very important. We've never looked like a team, that will go on a 5-6 game losing streak. We are boring as fuck to watch at home, but joint best defence with 12 goals conceded, 3 defeats, and 1.5 points per game is a solid enough base. I don't hate him. He's not good enough to progress us, he will be gone for next season, and we'll get a new better manager in. That's the correct decision. Ideally Bruce will go on to get another PL job where he can fuck up big time like he has all his career, and that will be the end of the Bruce sympathy bandwagon. At least he won't have time to wreak the damage here. How many points did he need to get, for you to say he did an "okay job"? I'd give the credit to the Rafa coaching the previous 3 years. I don't think he did an okay job, he was just there. So we put a guy in off the street, we're on 35 points atm? Team spirit still the same? People won't just look at a number. They'll take everything into account. Style of play, performance, tactics, team selection, post match analysis and of course, compliance with an already toxic club management. I'd say that in Bruce's case the points on the board are in spite of a shambolic performance in every aspect of his job.