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Yeah.... that's what some people thought about Japan/Korea. sorry, but i just have to flag up the fact that you're seemingly comparing Qatar, a country that a few years back was one big sand dune, to the ancient cultures of Japan and Korea, with their rich heritages and many, many millions of people, cultural and technological accomplishments, legacies of artistic and scientific brilliance, high levels of human development, well respected civil societies, freedom of the press and so on. who the hell said Japan/Korea had no culture or atmosphere? idiotic in the extreme. qatar is just a few dozen rich royals who probably live in london or paris paying off some corrupt bastards in order to stage an event that they should never have even been considered for. Japan and Korea are some of the most well respected and most well developed countries on the planet. it's kind of like comparing newcastle with sunderland... What’s idiotic is your totally irrelevant and off the point post. Frankly, I couldn’t care less about those factors that you mentioned. Stick to football, thanks. When nessy asks “how any culture and atmosphere is going to be generated in the place” I instantly thought about the atmosphere and the passion in the stadiums. This is what I was certainly referring to. I don’t know how off the pitch events held a thousand miles away is going to spoil your enjoyment of the world cup. f***ing hell…. only few weeks back there was a thread saying politics and religion shouldn’t mix with football. Were you one of those people that agreed with that, by any chance? It shouldn't, but can't see what that's got to do with what he posted.

Someone posted the first part of his comments earlier, but for me Taylor sums it up perfectly. Former England manager Graham Taylor also dismissed criticism of the media and said nothing about Fifa surprised him any more. "I'm just surprised that we're surprised," he said. "Fifa is an organisation that doesn't have to answer to anyone. What did we expect? "Fifa for me is full of people who say 'yes' to your face and 'no' behind your back. Their reputation has not changed over many years. "England have had little or no influence. We are considered to be arrogant and know-alls." He also defended the English media, whose investigations into Fifa have been cited by some people as one of the reasons for the bid's failure. "I'm not one of those blaming Panorama or the Sunday Times - this has been going on for years," he said. "I just have a feeling that perhaps, just perhaps, it might now be time... they really need looking into, they should really be investigated - and of course our journalists are very good at that." Taylor also criticised the decision to give the 2022 World Cup to Qatar, adding on BBC Radio 4's PM programme: "It really is surprising. Where is the heart and soul of football in Qatar? And yet that decision has been made."

I think it's pretty obvious that by him saying they 'want' to sabotage our bid, he means that it will sabotage our bid. So watch out basically. Warner means "I'm worried that this programme will reveal me to be the corrupt, sleazy b****** that I am, so I will threaten not to vote for England to try and get it taken off air." Bingo. Didn't he try and pull some shit a year or so ago with Beckham having to talk to him or something. It's quite clear there is a whole load of corruption going, hopeful this will have some substance and really piss a few of them off.

But didn't the Williamson incident happen fairly early in the match, if so I don't buy that.

I'd like to think that the BBC had already thought of them being public enemy number 1 if that is the case. Nothing qrong in them screening it and then passing on the info.

Fifa vice-president Warner attacks BBC investigation Jack Warner and David Beckham Warner has met former captain and bid ambassador David Beckham Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has made a scathing attack on the BBC Panorama programme examining the bidding to stage the 2018 World Cup. The documentary will air three days before the 2 December vote, and Warner said: it was "deliberately designed to negatively impact" on England's bid. Warner, whose vote is seen as crucial to England's hopes, claims the programme is "a personal vendetta". The BBC said the programme on 29 November is "in the public interest". Warner, a government minister in Trinidad, is president of the Concacaf federation covering North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football, and could deliver three of the 22 FIFA executive members' votes to England. He has been invited to lunch in Zurich by Prime Minister David Cameron ahead of the vote, and David Beckham met him while opening a coaching clinic in Trinidad in September. Warner, who said last week that he had still to decide which way he would vote, spoke of his dissatisfaction with the Panorama investigation in a vehement e-mail to Press Association Sport. "I am sure it's a personal vendetta. But it is sooooooooooo stupid... for it can have no effect on me personally or on anyone else in Fifa for that matter." Warner added that there was no new material in the programme and that he was not losing sleep over it. BBC Panorama responded by saying: "Panorama has a reputation for strong, independent and probing investigative journalism. The findings of the Panorama investigation into Fifa will be in the public interest." Last week England 2018 leaders branded the BBC "unpatriotic" for screening the investigation so close to the vote, fearing it will lead to a backlash from Fifa members.y Speaking in June, Warner gives his views on the bid The furore follows an undercover investigation by the Sunday Times in October in which it was alleged that Fifa members Amos Adamu and Reynald Temarii asked for money in return for voting on World Cup hosting rights. Adamu, from Nigeria, was later suspended from all footballing activity by Fifa's Ethics Committee for three years, while Tahitian Temarii received a one-year suspension. Both were also handed fines. They are now prohibited from taking part in the vote to decide who will host the 2018 and 2022 World Cup finals. England face competition from Netherlands/Belgium, Russia and Spain/Portugal for the 2018 tournament. The host of the 2022 contest will also be decided on 2 December, with Australia, Japan, Qatar, South Korea and the United States competing for the rights. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9217976.stm Have been following the panorama vs FIFA thing for a bit and I'm glad they didn't pull the plug on the programme, it should be interesting to see a tiny fragment of the corruption that goes on. Warner is right though, the people at the top will be protected and it might harm England's bid, but is that a reason to not expose what they've found? It looks like they've got FIFA running scared a bit though with all of these threats.

Elmander must act like a prick on the pitch, Williamson doesn't seem hot-headed or anything and it's not the first time something has happened to Elmander this season and the reaction of Colocinni seems to confirm something was going on. He must be up to something. Can't understand the bashing of Williamson or Taylor on here, it's not as if they stick out as a real weak link like Perch. Get behind which one is in the centre, stop picking faults. The whole thing does stick on your throat a bit after the De Jong thing went unpunished.

Yeah, probably the same two who were on over here in OZ. They will probably have been the commentators from the football first highlights. Slightly biased, clearly building Bolton up from the start and have Kevin Davies down as Englands no 1 centre forward. Haven't read some of the thread so not sure whether it's been mentioned, but is Owne Coyle starting to become a less orange parody of Phil Brown?? All of the jumping around in the 'technical area', the stupid grins and smirks and the over the top dramatics are really annoying and show a lack of respect. He's obviously done a good job at Bolton but he's rapidly turning into someone I'll take great pleasure in seeing his press conf when he eventually does get the boot.

Nope, just ban people who use religion to cause trouble. Surely asking for the assistance of God is an attempt to cheat? Even if a blatant appeal for divine assistance does not contravene the laws of the game, it's certainly mixing football and religion. Well obviously you want me to type that, so ok then, ban it.

Nope, just ban people who use religion to cause trouble.

And nothing for the rest of the world? I might be wrong but I don't know another place where religion influences professional football to the degree it does in Glasgow. Get back to me when you've figured out the difference between religion and politics. Nice attitude btw. I know the difference between them. In this case though it's religion, not politics. in some parts of the world, on some occasions they are the same thing, this is one of those occasions. I would say that applies more to Ireland than Glasgow mate. Religion seems to be more predominant there. Just a personal opinion though.

And nothing for the rest of the world? I might be wrong but I don't know another place where religion influences professional football to the degree it does in Glasgow. Get back to me when you've figured out the difference between religion and politics. Nice attitude btw. I know the difference between them. In this case though it's religion, not politics.

And nothing for the rest of the world? I might be wrong but I don't know another place where religion influences professional football to the degree it does in Glasgow.

You think they fought in WW1 for them? It was a stupid imperialist war that turned a generation of young men into cannon fodder, not some abstract-idealist good vs evil bullshit. More of a German family feud really.

What a load of bilge. a) It's not even a majority of Celtic supporters doing this. Just a few people with a banner. b) What's "religion" got to do with it? Anyway, I don't agree with what the banner says, but I'm quite attached to the notion of free speech. a) No it's not. Have you been to one of either Celtic or Rangers matches? If you had you would be able to comprehend the size of the problem. b) Everything when you follow football and live in Glasgow

Celtic plan ban for anti-poppy protesters Celtic aim to ban those found responsible for a giant anti-poppy banner displayed at the weekend. The protest unveiled on Saturday read: "Your deeds would shame all the devils in Hell. Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan. No bloodstained poppy on our Hoops." Celtic issued an apology for any offence caused and will launch an investigation aimed at banning the perpetrators from home games. All 12 SPL clubs will wear poppies on their shirts next weekend. Scottish Premier League chief executive Neil Doncaster confirmed that the governing body would also investigate the matter. These incidents do need to be investigated and they are going to be Scottish Premier League chief executive Neil Doncaster "It's clearly regrettable that a weekend of so much excitement on the pitch has been dominated by reporting of events off the pitch," said Doncaster in relation to the banner at Celtic Park and crowd trouble during the Edinburgh derby. "We have invited comments from Celtic, Hibernian and Hearts on the back of the weekend's events and are awaiting the reports of the match delegates." A section of Celtic fans have long campaigned against the wearing of poppies. But Doncaster said it was now an established practice in the SPL for all clubs to wear poppies on their shirts on the weekend of Remembrance Sunday. "We would welcome the fact that Celtic have moved quickly to apologise," he said. "I would also point out that all 12 of the SPL clubs will be wearing poppies on their shirts next weekend in support of Poppy Scotland for the third year in a row." Doncaster would not be drawn over whether the banner was a breach of stadium rules forbidding political demonstrations but added: "There have been a number of instances of inappropriate behaviour at games. "These incidents do need to be investigated and they are going to be." MY SPORT: DEBATE Give your reaction to this story Celtic responded to the controversy by issuing a statement which said: "The actions of this small minority have no place at Celtic Park and, clearly, we apologise for any offence caused." A spokesman later added: "The club is currently carrying out an investigation into this matter. When it is concluded, it is the club's intention to ban those identified as responsible from Celtic Park. "Celtic fans have rightly earned a magnificent reputation for their positive behaviour and backing of the club. "It is extremely disappointing that the actions of a small minority have embarrassed Celtic and tarnished the club in this way." The charity Poppy Scotland described the banner, displayed during the 9-0 win over Aberdeen, as "disrespectful". http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/9168655.stm Being over in Oz I've just seen this now, so apologies if it's already been covered. For me, this is the biggest reason why Celtic and Rangers should never be allowed into the PL, religion has no place in football whatsoever. Also, I was under the impression that poppy thing was for the 1st WW and armistice day, not Iraq or other wars?

I'm living in Perth (been here nearly 2 ears)and watched the match as well, it's alright to watch is Aussie rules once you understand it, it was a good match too. Aussies shorten every word you can, only they normally put o on the end, whereas we normally put y or ie on the end. In this case they've gone with Pie instead of mags. Although the 'Pies' have a lot of things in common with us, they are more like Manure in the fact that either you support them or hate them. I think about 90% of Oz was wanting a St Kilda win last weekend. Should be another good match this weekend as they've turned over extra tickets to the fans - 40,000 to each club instead of the 25,000 they both received for the first match. Funny place this as well, Western Australia is very AFL, 'soccer' orientated, SA is AFL, Victoria is VERY AFL, then NSW is rugby league and a bit of union and AFL and Queensland is very league union dominated. Absolutely obsessed with sport though and will compete over anything.

Can't think of any he struggled with

Yep. Some people want to remember that we've just come back up with a few of the players who took us down. We are limited in what we can do, Blackpool was bad and yes Hughton is still learning, but to slate most of our players is waaaayyy over the top. The fact is, is that Stoke finished in a decent position last season, the were well organised and in several areas were better than us. The scary thing was how easily the game was turned, teams will line up and defend like that against us at home and let's face facts, against some, we'll struggle to break them down. What we need to do is to forget about the Carling cup and the FA cup and just keep our minds on the league - 33 points left to go as far as I'm concerned, that's all I want from this season. Anyone who wants 'entertainment', go and watch a movie. We need to keep getting behind them, anyone who was booing today at the ground needs to keep a fucking lid on it, what did they expect, Europe?

Would be surprised if the did that, can see them doing the same again until about the 70th min when they'll bring Delap on and bombard our goal for the last 20 or so to get a draw.

As much as I enjoyed the match, Horne was just ridiculous. It was as if there regular commentator hadn't turned up and they'd just walked into the pub round the corner and asked the first bloke they saw in a blue shirt.

He was just as bad, i can't decide who's worse today him or Marriner. Horne, without a doubt

Marriner blind, Horne was just plainly biased.

According to Horne Newcastle don't deserve to win the game as Everton have had a 'spell'

According to the commentators the non penalty was karma for the penalties they should have had. Also bush head was shrugging Williamson off when he elbowed him in the face. This commentary is making the match unwatchable